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In reply to the discussion: We failed her. Big time. Boston Children’s was experimenting on Justina Pelletier, [View all]Savannahmann
(3,891 posts)I mean, really? Wow, you just won't let go of a bad position will you? You just assume that there is more to it than that? What proof do you have? The proof for our side is news reports from dozens of sources. I'm guessing that the proof for your side is unshakable faith in the Harvard Doctor.
OK, think of this. Here is what we KNOW! Justina was active before she want to Boston Childrens and began her nightmare ordeal.
We know that the Judge slapped a gag order on the parents to prevent additional information from getting out.
We know that the Psychiatrist (Harvard Trained Doctor) Went to Boston's CFS because his opinion was that Justina suffered from Psychosomatic Disease instead of Mitochondrial Disease.
We know that as recently as March 25, the Judge issued full custody to the State in a sharply worded order. He blamed Connecticut for not getting involved in the case to his satisfaction. He blamed the parents for calling the staff of the facility Nazi's.
Then three months later, the Judge reverses the order. In that time period, there was no way for supervised visits to be sufficient for proof of the Parents changing. There was no time for the parents to attend sufficient classes etc.
So what happened? March, the girl is still suffering from being crazy as a loon. May, Justina is transferred to a facility in Connecticut by order of the state.
So after a year, the Judge gave up on the parents. Two months later they were pretty darned good?
What happened is some senior people at the Massachusetts department of health looked at the case in it's entirety and decided that unlike you and your beloved Harvard Shrink, that it wasn't all in Justina's head.
Do you realize you are on the indefensible side of the issue? If a fundie parent was in the news saying that their child doesn't need medical attention because the cancer was all in her head we would be hopping up and down in rage. But your Harvard doctor decides that it's all in her head, and well that's good enough for you. He's a step away from a snake handling faith healer for the love of God. I don't care where he trained. The results are obvious.
Now, you and the snake handling faith healer can go on swearing that you know best because you've been trained at the finest of all schools, while the rest of us examine the facts of the case, examine the reality, and realize that the State just gave up for a reason. That reason is despite the effort by Boston Childrens and the DCF to paint the parents as lunatics for daring to take their children to the Doctor and follow medical advice, the Harvard trained snake handling faith healer was wrong.
I'm sure that the Harvard Trained snake handling faith healer is still under the firm opinion as he points to his wall where a copy of his degree is hung that if Justina would just believe that she's crazy, she would be able to walk now. The rest of the medical professionals, not so much. So you can entrust yourself to the Harvard trained snake handling faith healer if you want. Me, I'm going to stick with the doctor who had her up and walking and ice skating and otherwise active.
Because the facts remain. March, the DCF said that the parents were totally unsuitable. The Judge agreed, and awarded full custody to the state. In June, the DCF suddenly reverses course and says the parents should be awarded full custody. So lunatic parents and then two and a half months later, all is well.
The real result is that Justina is no longer under the care of the Snake Handling Faith healer trained at Harvard. (When you say Harvard you have to put a bit of emphasis on it to show that you mean the Harvard. Imagine Thurston Howell from Gilligan's Island)