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In reply to the discussion: It time to put an end to the GOP talking point repeated here on DU again and again. [View all]hfojvt
(37,573 posts)125. mine was "only" $800
and it was padded with $500 worth of X-rays that I didn't need.
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It time to put an end to the GOP talking point repeated here on DU again and again. [View all]
rgbecker
Apr 2012
OP
Yes you are entitled to your opinion, you are even entitled to both of them. n/t
A Simple Game
Apr 2012
#91
Supposing you are a family barely making it on the income you have. You pay your taxes,
sabrina 1
Apr 2012
#180
Well said. And if there are fines to be paid - they SHOULD be used to defray unpaid medical costs.
cyberpj
Apr 2012
#219
"The Mandate" is simply the term that is used for the provision in question...
reACTIONary
Apr 2012
#191
It's the best we could get through Congress, and it's already started to bend the cost curve down
pnwmom
Apr 2012
#121
We do. and agree on that point. better with the bill than without for some people. BUT the bill
robinlynne
Apr 2012
#176
Paying a fine and being forced to buy insurance are two very different things.
rgbecker
Apr 2012
#11
What is the fine for posession or for DUI? about the smae, right? actually probably less.
robinlynne
Apr 2012
#177
"Do this or face legal sanction" = "you are forced to do this." Period. (nt)
Posteritatis
Apr 2012
#211
Insured folks are far more likely to see their doctor rather than go to the ER...
markpkessinger
Apr 2012
#114
$1000 if the worse thing that happened to people was a broken arm and needing stitches.
SmellyFeet
Apr 2012
#221
That calls for a link. Please provide proof that you have been fined when someone else
TheKentuckian
Apr 2012
#112
Who knows what these people are arguing for anymore, it is all semantic contortions at this point.
Dragonfli
Apr 2012
#259
+1. Or "give to charity or don't get a tax break!" That's real tyranny.
napoleon_in_rags
Apr 2012
#152
gee, if an uninsured person goes to the emergency room, who do you think pays for it now?
still_one
Apr 2012
#212
If we're not buying insurance, then what is our $447 billion dollars buying, exactly?
EFerrari
Apr 2012
#5
Do you know that Obamacare is also regulating the ins. industry to make them more trustworthy?
FarLeftFist
Apr 2012
#51
A predatory cartel, with regulation still on the state level, with virtually no enforcement budget,
TheKentuckian
Apr 2012
#132
I suggest that those who have blind faith in our governments capability
unapatriciated
Apr 2012
#230
Buy insurance or pay a penalty. I suppose you could call it "incentive".
Arkansas Granny
Apr 2012
#9
It's hard not to feel resentful of people who have good insurance, mandated by the govt.,
pnwmom
Apr 2012
#122
You need to check out the facts before you decide this would be unaffordable for you.
pnwmom
Apr 2012
#241
Call it Republican legislation if you can find one Republican who supports it.
rgbecker
Apr 2012
#19
I think the GOP has opted to just lie and hope the lies will be repeated by freedom lovin Democrats.
rgbecker
Apr 2012
#37
CareFirst is a network not a plan, if you want benefits they tell you to call your plan
TheKentuckian
Apr 2012
#134
Actually, unless you defraud the government, there is virtually no possibility of jail time.
rgbecker
Apr 2012
#217
Why IS health care interstate commerce? That's part of the problem, not the solution.
saras
Apr 2012
#34
"The banking industry is interstate commerce but congress can't force everyone to keep their money
Dragonfli
Apr 2012
#149
Maybe all they need is for the SCOTUS to find that the individual mandate is OK.
freedom fighter jh
Apr 2012
#153
If they overturn it, it just a "small step" to say that the government can't force you to
JoePhilly
Apr 2012
#157
If you were good at this ... you'd indicate which parts of the Constitution prevent
JoePhilly
Apr 2012
#170
If you were good at this YOU WOULD DO THAT, it was my proposal, why would I be
Dragonfli
Apr 2012
#185
I don't need to keep my money in a bank to "participate" in the banking industry either.
hughee99
Apr 2012
#155
I would certinly not consider forcing everyone to engage in interstate commerce
hughee99
Apr 2012
#160
Sure ... but as I said earlier, you can not be forced to participate in something
JoePhilly
Apr 2012
#163
"And, if you have no insurance your treatment costs are passed on to everyone else."
girl gone mad
Apr 2012
#203
Insurers are still free to remove sick people using the fraud provisions.
girl gone mad
Apr 2012
#253
An 8.5% premium is one quarter the cost of what we have been offered for standard 80/20
1monster
Apr 2012
#55
I have been to too many funerals of people that did not have HC. I like the plan. Granted
appleannie1
Apr 2012
#25
That's because nobody claimed that paying a fine is the same as buying insurance. Just you. nt
Poll_Blind
Apr 2012
#50
Fox News???? Really, when you are redefining the entire legal system in order to make a stupid claim
TheKentuckian
Apr 2012
#141
So now we buy into the GOP talking point that the tax system is a system of penalties.
rgbecker
Apr 2012
#143
Sure don't. You are the one saying taxes and penalties are the same thing.
TheKentuckian
Apr 2012
#224
Good luck rgbecker. This thread has turned into one where almost no one gets your point.
SmellyFeet
Apr 2012
#225
if we what called it what it is it would be "Affordable Insurance Act" and the affordable is not
Dragonfli
Apr 2012
#164
Nice analogy if it were true. There are a lot more penalties to breaking traffic laws.
rgbecker
Apr 2012
#88
What, in your mind, would constitute "forcing one to buy health insurance?"
ChadwickHenryWard
Apr 2012
#86
How many of the 125 respondees in this thread currently don't carry insurance
frazzled
Apr 2012
#129
the fine is higher than the fine for drug posession or dirivng under the influence.
robinlynne
Apr 2012
#174
The problem is that in America, we have health insurance first and health care second.
progressoid
Apr 2012
#201
They invented the individual mandate in 1989, and supported it publicly for years. They only spoke
HiPointDem
Apr 2012
#220
Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act is the correct name for the law
GreydeeThos
Apr 2012
#213
You are just not getting the Olympic level semantic contortion or you would know
Dragonfli
Apr 2012
#258