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Shankapotomus

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Sat May 31, 2014, 01:36 PM May 2014

It's really not about politics to the typical conservative anymore [View all]

Last edited Sat May 31, 2014, 02:48 PM - Edit history (1)

They say it is, when you talk to them and make a big show of it, but it's really about how they will look compared to others if liberal causes are allowed to win out. You can sense that is the real underlying issue for them. While for the vast majority of their opponents it's about poverty, jobs, human rights, public safety, etc---for conservatives, it's about what they will look like if others are allowed to rise to a more equitable level of economic success, treatment, respect. It's about their own self-worth.

Even in the way they discuss -- or refuse to discuss politics --- you can sense it. It's like an impenetrable cloud of tension that permeates all their interactions with themselves and others. They feel threatened in any situation where they are not the ones giving direction, being the adviser, the boss, the businessman, the coach, the teacher, the expert, the cop, the soldier, the Sergent, the stock broker, the preacher, the authoritarian, the father, the husband, the parent...They want their due attention and respect and playing and defending these roles, where others are subordinate to them, is how they get it. Just as they are involved in politics for all the wrong reasons, the typical conservative you encounter today is heavily invested in all those roles of authority for all the wrong reasons. There has to be a subordinate class to make them feel good about themselves.

Does a conservative have you under their control? Maybe a boss, a coach, a relative? They really make you feel it, don't they?

If a conservative can't feel their authority and power in these roles they get very upset. They won't discuss politics with a liberal not because they respect the politics of others but to listen to your view would be an act of subordination to you. Any action that subordinates them to the views, the authority, the counsel, the power or expertise of others is intolerable. They hate you because you're not looking to them for the answers and that's why they can't discuss politics without getting frustrated and on the verge of anger.

People need to look up to them, to aspire to be them, or to even fear them if need be.



Otherwise, how will that make them look? You can't be the one in the position of power telling them how things are going to be. No, they tell you.



But the one thing these wannabe authoritarians are subordinate to is what? Government. And, as you would expect someone who feels threatened by anyone and anything that challenges the self worth they've invested in the various roles of authority, they hate government.

It's time to stop granting conservatives the presumption it's about politics. It's not. It's about their un-admitted battle with their own personal psychology. It's about protecting and reinforcing the fragile self-esteem of insecure little children.

Want to deflate their egos? Don't support their illusion that they are an authority at anything or over anyone.

And, whenever possible, don't work for one.
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You nailed it RobertEarl May 2014 #1
I should have included Shankapotomus May 2014 #2
Most Cons I know are local Dems RobertEarl May 2014 #39
Post removed Post removed May 2014 #3
How do you get "demonizing" out of this thread? That presupposes good/evil constructs, but the ancianita May 2014 #5
Ok, that's what "demonize" means. buzzcola May 2014 #6
Okay so please give some examples of demonizing here. Seriously. I don't see it. ancianita May 2014 #7
"demonize"--portray as wicked and threatening. buzzcola May 2014 #8
i don't see many Democrats demonize . I see far more claims of God, and demonizing by Republicans.nt Leme May 2014 #9
You do realize "demonize" is not a religious term? buzzcola May 2014 #11
And yet its root is "demon," a term often used by the religious conservative right, among others. ancianita May 2014 #15
Apply that definition to quoted evidence from this thread. If you can't, your claim is baseless. ancianita May 2014 #12
What does demonize mean to you? Please respond with your own definition. buzzcola May 2014 #17
I'm not the one making the claim that others are "demonizing," you are. You have the burden of proof ancianita May 2014 #20
That poster suggested we shouldn't demonize conservatives and now he/she has you discussing ChisolmTrailDem May 2014 #22
I get the drift but I'm not biting. ancianita May 2014 #24
Nice. First "demonizing" was challenged. Now it's, Why shouldn't we demonize them. buzzcola May 2014 #28
Tell me this, while you're coming in here like a bigshot telling us how to act... ChisolmTrailDem May 2014 #29
Do what you want. You guys sound like kids that need to be sent the principal. buzzcola May 2014 #30
You guys? That implies that you are not one of us guys. MIRT ALERT! nt ChisolmTrailDem May 2014 #31
I'm a polite, rational person. You guys are not. Too complicated for you? buzzcola May 2014 #32
Then politely tell me why we should not demonize confederate assholes who contribute ChisolmTrailDem May 2014 #34
Then prove. your. claim. That's what we do in DU. Stubborn insistence on your rightness fails here. ancianita May 2014 #46
You thought "demonize" referred to literal Devils. Cannot take your position seriously. buzzcola May 2014 #47
Buzzcola joined DU in 2005, didn't post until Saturday CreekDog Jun 2014 #54
You joined DU in 2005, your first post was this weekend CreekDog Jun 2014 #62
I don't see the value of conservatives. Tom Ripley May 2014 #10
Comedic relief? Shankapotomus May 2014 #25
While I appreciate the levity (really, I do), their stupidity is destroying our liberties, ChisolmTrailDem May 2014 #33
I'm with you on that... Shankapotomus May 2014 #38
Confederate, goddamned fucking cons ARE demons! Every damn thing they do costs lives! ChisolmTrailDem May 2014 #13
Calm down. Doing stupid evil isn't demonic, but humans who have to be, how can I say it ... ancianita May 2014 #18
They're all fucking evil. Dupes have to believe in what the killers, thieves, and con ChisolmTrailDem May 2014 #21
Well, I'd prefer to think that dupes have redeemable capacities, and we can't get far with rhetoric ancianita May 2014 #23
"but they can't be dealt with when we come from your position." Well... ChisolmTrailDem May 2014 #27
Let's just agree Shankapotomus May 2014 #49
I find this to be more reasonable, IMHO. nt AverageJoe90 Jun 2014 #52
I don't see how Shankapotomus May 2014 #16
I don't see the value of showing them anything but utter contempt Doctor_J May 2014 #35
?? quakerboy May 2014 #48
Their psychology is whatever got them power in school -- bullying, manipulation, lack of empathy, ancianita May 2014 #4
Yes! Shankapotomus May 2014 #26
Well said. They never grew up. Louisiana1976 May 2014 #36
That reporter should have sued the shite out of that Rep. PowerToThePeople May 2014 #14
+1 nt Shankapotomus May 2014 #19
Interesting observation. k&r n/t Laelth May 2014 #37
Bravo, Shankapotomus! Duppers May 2014 #40
Thanks! Shankapotomus May 2014 #41
You're right. They want this back........... Monk06 May 2014 #42
You've said better Shankapotomus May 2014 #44
Brilliant! Dirty Socialist May 2014 #43
Never Shankapotomus May 2014 #45
+1 treestar May 2014 #50
Excellent analysis, Shankapotomus. nt Mnemosyne May 2014 #51
So well expressed. Yes, that's their only point when all is said and done. freshwest Jun 2014 #53
Hey thanks Shankapotomus Jun 2014 #56
You did? About 5 people have asked me to host groups. Must have gotten lost in the confusion. Sorry. freshwest Jun 2014 #58
It's in my sent folder Shankapotomus Jun 2014 #59
I'd appreciate a resend, just in case, although I've never agreed to host before. TIA. freshwest Jun 2014 #60
lol Shankapotomus Jun 2014 #61
Superb breakdown. Quotable. Populist_Prole Jun 2014 #55
Thanks Shankapotomus Jun 2014 #57
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