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In reply to the discussion: Rogen, Apatow surprisingly unsympathetic to accusation that their movies caused IV killings. [View all]Raine1967
(11,589 posts)22. Honest question:
and I will preface this that (at this point) I don't Hornaday's point was terrible, it was terribly made.
Arthur Chu wrote an interesting piece about this entire scenario. It was titled: Your Princess Is in Another Castle: Misogyny, Entitlement, and Nerds he makes, imo an very eloquent case, One paragraph gave me a moment of pause:
We are not Lewis from Revenge of the Nerds, we are not Steve Urkel from Family Matters, we are not Preston Myers from Cant Hardly Wait, we are not Seth Rogen in every movie Seth Rogen has ever been in, we are not fucking Mario racing to the castle to beat Bowser because we know theres a princess in there waiting for us.
Has Seth Rogen called out Mr.Chu?
Hornaday was making a point, and I will admit that she could have made it better, but she ended her piece with this, and it is something that a lot of people are missing:
Every year, San Diego State University researcher Martha Lauzen releases a Celluloid Ceiling report in which she delivers distressing statistics regarding the state of women in Hollywood. This year, she found that women made up just 16 percent of directors, writers, producers, cinematographers and editors working on the top 250 movies of 2013; similarly, women accounted for just 15 percent of protagonists in those films.
Even if 51 percent of our movies were made by women, Elliot Rodger still would have been seriously ill. But its worth examining who gets to be represented on screen, and how. It makes sense to ask, as cartoonist Alison Bechdel does in her eponymous Bechdel Test, whether a movie features (1) at least two named female characters who (2) talk to each other about (3) something besides a man. And it bears taking a hard look at whether were doing more subtle damage to our psyches and society by so drastically limiting our collective imagination. As Rodger himself made so grievously clear, were only as strong as the stories we tell ourselves.
Even if 51 percent of our movies were made by women, Elliot Rodger still would have been seriously ill. But its worth examining who gets to be represented on screen, and how. It makes sense to ask, as cartoonist Alison Bechdel does in her eponymous Bechdel Test, whether a movie features (1) at least two named female characters who (2) talk to each other about (3) something besides a man. And it bears taking a hard look at whether were doing more subtle damage to our psyches and society by so drastically limiting our collective imagination. As Rodger himself made so grievously clear, were only as strong as the stories we tell ourselves.
I had no objection to her article. I still believe that Rogen and Apatow are taking this far too personally. It is worth examining, it is worth noting.
But, Arthur Chu is a guy and a nerd, and Ann Hornaday is a women. Have either of these two men called Chu out? If not why not?
ETA link to Hornaday's article, which also has a rebuttal to the criticism. here: http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/in-a-final-videotaped-message-a-sad-reflection-of-the-sexist-stories-we-so-often-see-on-screen/2014/05/25/dec7e7ea-e40d-11e3-afc6-a1dd9407abcf_story.html
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Rogen, Apatow surprisingly unsympathetic to accusation that their movies caused IV killings. [View all]
Warren DeMontague
May 2014
OP
How about we blame the unmedicated, untreated, antisocial asshole who did the crime?
MADem
May 2014
#76
Yeah, he made up the accusation and you just decided his spin made a better headline.
redqueen
May 2014
#18
I read her stupid in full. She gratuitously mentioned them, she deserves the feedback they gave her.
msanthrope
May 2014
#9
And again, this is clearly someone who has never been within 10 miles of Isla Vista.
Warren DeMontague
May 2014
#15
you're describing a very tired TV trope which is sometimes called "oaf and shrew"
CrawlingChaos
May 2014
#123
I don't know what caused it, but I do find it interesting that people who've never set foot in IV
Warren DeMontague
May 2014
#8
Personally I look to 10 foot tall 3D blue aliens for intellectual guidance.
Warren DeMontague
May 2014
#16
I think the only Seth Rogen movie I've ever seen was the pineapple pot one.
Warren DeMontague
May 2014
#34
Actually, from what I gather from her article, she thinks those movies "conditioned"
Humanist_Activist
May 2014
#43
I think our entire culture expects us, from teenagehood on, to try to find validation in others...
Humanist_Activist
May 2014
#107
Was the Chu piece published in a major media outlet comparable to Washington Post?
opiate69
May 2014
#30
It's a fine source for the latest dish on that saucy royal family, i say! Brilliant!
Warren DeMontague
May 2014
#35
She's right. The Movie, Music and Gaming (Entertainment) industry share responsibility with the NRA
951-Riverside
May 2014
#50
Just like that gun he used, the views in his head didn't magically get there.
951-Riverside
May 2014
#54
Re: " I don't think media gives anyone ideas they wouldn't have had anyway."
951-Riverside
May 2014
#63
right, those are BOTH arguments and declarative statements, which means... they're the same.
Warren DeMontague
May 2014
#68
I guess, but it also troubles me that Eminem's lyrics are blamed when a Nickelback fan kills people.
Warren DeMontague
May 2014
#69
Also, according to FB, Elliot Rodgers wasn't so much an eminem fan, as he was a fan of Katy Perry
Warren DeMontague
May 2014
#61
It's a bloody tabula rasa on which people get to paint their favorite societal ill.
X_Digger
May 2014
#72
Right on time. I wondered how long that'd take. Thanks for proving my point. n/t
X_Digger
May 2014
#117
He also believed he was 'entitled' to get on an amusement park ride at 6 years old despite
Warren DeMontague
May 2014
#75
Of course it is a combination of things.And this writer said he *may have been influenced*.
redqueen
May 2014
#93
Well said. It's silly to blame movies and/or video games for the actions of one
Louisiana1976
May 2014
#109
They also were apparently en route from LA to try to get him due to the posting of his videos
Warren DeMontague
May 2014
#112
As I've said elsewhere, I have more than a slight personal connection to that piece of real estate
Warren DeMontague
May 2014
#116