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In reply to the discussion: This killer that went on a rampage shooting [View all]treestar
(82,383 posts)392. Well why don't they get to know the individual women
Is it so tough to accept the fact that we are individuals? There is no formula. You have to relate to the actual person in front of you.
We aren't a product, one you learn how to handle. We are people. Just like you, we have our own thoughts, not "women's instincts."
Men attempt to control this and they can't. I also see men writing articles telling women what to do to attract men and what not to do to scare them off. Then I realize that advice is only good for the guy who wrote the article.
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Better self delete, juries already nuked two of your comrade's disgusting posts
JJChambers
May 2014
#45
Yeah, in the video I saw he was really creepy. He did not sound distraught to me at all. And
RKP5637
May 2014
#229
But I can understand wondering aloud what drove him to such a violent extreme.
nomorenomore08
May 2014
#97
"It blames everyone but the creepy little monster himself." Exactly the problem, in a nutshell.
nomorenomore08
May 2014
#109
The implication seems to be that some people simply don't matter as much as others.
nomorenomore08
May 2014
#124
Yup. That one gender is here for the gratification of the other, and their choices not only don't
Squinch
May 2014
#126
Ultimately, we all have to live with each other's choices, so long as they don't violate anyone's
nomorenomore08
May 2014
#128
I suspect this guy's issues didn't spring to life on his 21st birthday. I'm quite sure he would
Flatulo
May 2014
#400
He actually was told this. Read his "manifesto." He wasn't listening, he didn't care,
seaglass
May 2014
#187
that is my point here. a clear indication it is all about entitlement. only men get rejected?
seabeyond
May 2014
#259
Because self-harm is culturally coded as "feminine," while harming others is coded as "masculine"?
nomorenomore08
May 2014
#31
Wow. This is not a young man feeling pain about misunderstandings. This is a murderous psychopath.
Squinch
May 2014
#17
Seriously, I don't think you are realizing how far out you sound on this. If someone is thinking
Squinch
May 2014
#29
Do you feel that someone needs to be punished when you don't get a date? Does that seem natural?
Squinch
May 2014
#75
The op is saying that these murders are the result of some kind of ubiquitous Western male
Squinch
May 2014
#86
Interesting that you are saying that I was the one who was bringing the discussion to who is
Squinch
May 2014
#267
that evo psych stuff has been debunked so often and so consistently and still.....
seabeyond
May 2014
#91
Or maybe trying too hard to "understand" him will help provide justification for further tragedies.
nomorenomore08
May 2014
#106
Nothing wrong with that. My problem is when "understanding" seems to stray too close
nomorenomore08
May 2014
#182
I'm seeing a lot of posts here that seem to be conflating 'understanding' with 'approving'.
Flatulo
May 2014
#401
i am not stunned, and i am disgusted. all this validation is exactly what had one young man take it
seabeyond
May 2014
#93
I wonder if these men making these arguments are aware that one of the things they are really doing
Squinch
May 2014
#95
shocked as shit harmony would do a thread bemoaning the men not getting the hot gal. not.
seabeyond
May 2014
#102
Yes. Some people do seem to have a groove they're stuck in, but this is beyond the pale.
Squinch
May 2014
#108
I will be very surprised to learn that he killed anyone prior to starting this
Schema Thing
May 2014
#50
If every guy that couldn't get laid went on a homicidal rampage there would be no humans left.
Throd
May 2014
#30
But equating human behavior with that of the "lower animals" isn't exactly rational either.
nomorenomore08
May 2014
#44
All I'm saying is that the world isn't as simple as a lot of the evo-psych types make it out to be.
nomorenomore08
May 2014
#72
"If somebody had just listened to the shooter and tried to understand him..." You're more optimistic
nomorenomore08
May 2014
#85
tell me. do women get to have a chip on the shoulder not getting the hot guy? or is that privilege
seabeyond
May 2014
#79
Sure they can. As far as I'm concerned anyway. People are "entitled" to feel whatever they want.
nomorenomore08
May 2014
#87
the POINT. women do not go around with a chip they do not get the hot man. yet many men will admit
seabeyond
May 2014
#88
I agree with basically everything you wrote there. And no matter how people "feel" subjectively
nomorenomore08
May 2014
#92
what has had me so concerned so long is so much of our society, so in our face is always reinforcing
seabeyond
May 2014
#94
Absolutely. It's a basic lack of care or concern for others - in this case, women - that is used
nomorenomore08
May 2014
#103
how many women do we hear whining about not getting the hot man and the hot man only wants the
seabeyond
May 2014
#144
Correct...A feminist writer once said that she was against legalized prostitution
whathehell
May 2014
#270
exactly. in any given situation, in all of life, i take it to me first. and maul it over.
seabeyond
May 2014
#362
that I know, also people use words in different ways and before starting to snark, I'd like to make
uppityperson
May 2014
#302
So therefore we should ignore biology and pretend we don't have instincts?
Warren Stupidity
May 2014
#332
breathing however is not an instinct. I think part of the confusion might be in the definition
uppityperson
May 2014
#324
If you view breathing as in instinct, it tells me something about you and impacts how I consider
uppityperson
May 2014
#300
Your characterization of women of being programmed to sleep with vicious barbarians.
Starry Messenger
May 2014
#195
the problem there. we are using story telling and make believe to conclude what that very
seabeyond
May 2014
#277
Humans, human brains, have evolved beyond reptile f*ing in the primordial ooze or birds building
uppityperson
May 2014
#304
you know what. coming in this OP now, i remember. the little boy forcing kisses on the girl.
seabeyond
May 2014
#431
"My "smile" in the above post was an attempt to say "I am smiling" and not a command"
redqueen
May 2014
#461
If they don't agree with you they are "close-minded"? What "instincts" are you talking about?
uppityperson
May 2014
#303
you are really invested in htis. i have not even gotten to your post from this morning, of story
seabeyond
May 2014
#432
when a man tells us we have to have our barbarians, and many of us in a lifetime have never
seabeyond
May 2014
#449
and that is it. bottomline. that is the argument men will make when calling out the bullshit.
seabeyond
May 2014
#453
wouldnt the theory be that all us women would now be tingly for this mass murderer? i am not seeing
seabeyond
May 2014
#454
exactly, it's human to look for sources to confirm your own biases, but get real. Except for a few
bettyellen
May 2014
#228
Exactly. My friends and I have never dated the flesh-mountains we're supposed to be
Starry Messenger
May 2014
#231
I did in college once, a semi pro footballer. It was out of curiosity and he had a motor cycle and
bettyellen
May 2014
#257
You don't blame women for acting on their "instincts", avoiding nasty assholes? gee, what a guy
uppityperson
May 2014
#306
laughing my fuggin ass off. that is funny. all that alpha that he is. there it is boys. lol. nt
seabeyond
May 2014
#433
I hope most people maker better choices than to kill a bunch of people as they age
gollygee
May 2014
#42
golly... were you in the thread harmony started about the 6 yr old boy kissing and harassing a
seabeyond
May 2014
#440
The biological determinism line of argument was tried decades ago to explain the failings
ancianita
May 2014
#112
claiming untrue things as true impacts how we view the rest of what you say.
uppityperson
May 2014
#309
Interesting, I recall a debate in a policy class seminar that brought up Clan of the Cavebear
adirondacker
May 2014
#360
w.t.f. "The people we mate with are seldom the people we decide to create a social structure with"
uppityperson
May 2014
#308
talk to real scientists about that. it is more foolish to blindly follow something thats disapproved
seabeyond
May 2014
#223
The entire mass of a collapsed solar system of bullshit condensed into a single post!
Throd
May 2014
#53
and we generally choose our mates per interaction with opposite gender parent at age 4'ish to -7....
seabeyond
May 2014
#275
Well, hell, now that he's proven he's da'MAN I wanna have sex with him and his high testosterone
uppityperson
May 2014
#133
Thank you, I looked at it and I agree that behavior is influenced by out genetics.
uppityperson
May 2014
#280
I consider it progress if you are willing to grant that sociobiology is relevant.
Laelth
May 2014
#283
That is all you got out of my post? Did you miss correlation vs causation, making assumptions?
uppityperson
May 2014
#293
clooney does not have the face they are talking, so they say "smouldering" eyes. to be able to
seabeyond
May 2014
#226
Sorry. I have great respect for you, but I am not following you on that post. n/t
Laelth
May 2014
#234
pitt has the jaw. clooney does not. clooney does not fit this supposed preference.
seabeyond
May 2014
#235
and i can make the same comment to you about science not suiting you, and how i actualy value true
seabeyond
May 2014
#393
But we're the bad people because we don't want to understaaaannnd, man.
Starry Messenger
May 2014
#196
Trust me. I knew, from the beginning, that what I had to say here would not be popular.
Laelth
May 2014
#260
And none of that has anything to do with why this sociopath just blew away several people.
Starry Messenger
May 2014
#271
You can't help believing what you write, refuse to consider and learn from others replying?
uppityperson
May 2014
#312
I do not blindly believe what someone tells me, that is true. Thank you for noticing. eom
uppityperson
May 2014
#417
maybe he couldn't attract any women because we viewed them as sluts? Maybe he missed the cues that
uppityperson
May 2014
#310
If you actually believe that immuno-suppressants leave one with a "killer" immune system,
Ikonoklast
May 2014
#248
"suppressant" means weaker, lower. They have a lower, suppressed immune system.
uppityperson
May 2014
#315
He hasn't posted for a couple hours, let's see if he comments when he starts again.
uppityperson
May 2014
#343
Hello, I wanted to make sure you understood "suppressed" does not mean "strong" but weaker
uppityperson
May 2014
#429
If sexual frustration is really such a commonplace motive for murder, then why do pro athletes etc.
nomorenomore08
May 2014
#55
chip on should cause cant get hot gal, sexually frustrated. what about women? men that make sex ALL
seabeyond
May 2014
#84
I'm not sure I buy your thesis. At this point I'm not sure what he was or was not taught, per your
Nuclear Unicorn
May 2014
#49
those are really good points. OP comments a lot on his upbringing, yet here op says we don't know
uppityperson
May 2014
#390
I think a lot of folks are connecting this with the OP's prior posting history. Fairly or not. n/t
nomorenomore08
May 2014
#62
Absolutely. And I don't accuse you of any particular ill intent in posting this OP, even if I find
nomorenomore08
May 2014
#78
I think it would be a mistake to read too much into such a vicious, senseless act.
nomorenomore08
May 2014
#60
Women have spent millennia "understanding" males' needs. Understanding is the booby prize.
ancianita
May 2014
#63
This is it ^^^^^^^^ Those urging "understanding" seem to think that this monster's motivations
Squinch
May 2014
#90
and what needs to be taken to the heart is many many young men feel the same only a much lower
seabeyond
May 2014
#96
squich. i think htis entiltement is more than just "those" men. men we love. men...
seabeyond
May 2014
#110
Oh, totally. I think we are all sometimes caught up in that conditioning. I know even I STILL
Squinch
May 2014
#115
The fundamental lesson that these guys fail to learn is that they are not entitled to sex
alarimer
May 2014
#74
Boys and men have all the examples they want to see. One need not have any "teaching" to learn.
ancianita
May 2014
#119
fuckin for real harmony? you really went there. first line. done. i cant hardly stomach
seabeyond
May 2014
#76
it seems like a lot of what is being defended here is the very issues that drove this dude to murder
seabeyond
May 2014
#147
codswallop. baloney. I just read his entire memoir. he was a littly psychopath- in the most
cali
May 2014
#101
I think it would be more like, "We know he makes your skin crawl, and will probably physically
Squinch
May 2014
#125
I do not understand what "he had no proper male role model in his life" means. Blame his dad & male
uppityperson
May 2014
#129
"... male suffering that we often don't fully understand in the Western world." ?? only in the East?
LooseWilly
May 2014
#135
This is the second post today I've read from DUers most hostile to women and/or poc that are
Number23
May 2014
#140
Oh yeah, I'm aware. That's why I said that this is the second OP I've read from posters well known
Number23
May 2014
#381
Another bullshit, armchair psychoanalysis based on one's own small frame of reference...
kysrsoze
May 2014
#146
Well...how else do you explain why serial killers get marriage proposals in prison?
davidn3600
May 2014
#155
i imagine trash is comfortable hanging with trash. ya think? dont you think like hangs with like,
seabeyond
May 2014
#156
those abused as kids often already know what it is to love an abuser. barabarians are not appealing
bettyellen
May 2014
#205
"We are comfortable with the familiar, even if it is painful." A counselor told me that once,
raccoon
May 2014
#388
Can you never drop that nonsense?: "many women do make very poor choices in who they choose as
Squinch
May 2014
#354
Please do not assume what is true for you and your ex, is true for the majority. There is no
seaglass
May 2014
#185
Elliot Rodger would have found your writing to be true and you to be sympatico.
boston bean
May 2014
#176
agreed. guess we women really can give the discerning eye to the "bad" in our men. nt
seabeyond
May 2014
#233
all of his manhood is wrapped up in the presentation, the girl on his arm, indicative of his worth a
seabeyond
May 2014
#242
pretty damn close myself. and adding discussionist merely let us know, how we as minority groups
seabeyond
May 2014
#244
good post. i agree. and saw it in a matter of a few days. you are right. now an mra post stands
seabeyond
May 2014
#367
I still think the 'I might be a rapist'/'what is rape?' threads were the worst. nt
redqueen
May 2014
#261
I guess since I already knew guys like this were here, and I know how many there are
redqueen
May 2014
#398
he also had an OP about a 6 yr old boy, forcing kisses on a girl and keeping her from her friends.
seabeyond
May 2014
#436
he contrives poor arguments. i would never ignore. just to address the wrongs immediately.
seabeyond
May 2014
#446
good points all. Additionally, guys are taught that it has to be a "chase" or "hunt"
yurbud
May 2014
#278
are girls allowed to enjoy sports and fish? or is that only for the man? so women will be attracted
seabeyond
May 2014
#287
further, are you teaching your son to embrace and enjoy a good book? classics? thinking, pondering,
seabeyond
May 2014
#290
I have a list (not on paper) of what I look for in a man. Off the top of my head, I am interested
Tuesday Afternoon
May 2014
#328
cause we likes our barbarians... he was just giving us what we want, right? if we like the bad boy
seabeyond
May 2014
#372
Calling all men! Care for a ripe, juicy apple, right off the tree? Picked it myself.
Zorra
May 2014
#319
"I try to explain to these young men that young woman in their 20's have not yet cultivated healthy"
AtheistCrusader
May 2014
#395
a couple months ago he said he was a grasseater. saying, he no longer plays. so i am confused. nt
seabeyond
May 2014
#439
UrbanDictionary did not help me puzzle out what 'grasseater' means in this context.
AtheistCrusader
May 2014
#442
The fact that you felt compelled to write all that speaks volumes about your character. nt.
Rex
May 2014
#428
Frankly, I find your post disturbingly similar to the Elliot Rodger screeds.
WinkyDink
May 2014
#460