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4. Easy solution, don't get put in a situation where

Reply to davidn3600 (Original post)

Fri May 2, 2014, 01:31 AM

May 2014

you can be accused of rape.

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Guidelines to curb campus sexual assaults raise concerns for accused [View all] davidn3600 May 2014 OP

Thanks for the rape apologist update. LeftyMom May 2014 #1

sorry, serious topic.. but ROFL at your response to this guy. dionysus May 2014 #39

So expressing concern that those liberalhistorian May 2014 #50

Well said. I am sorry for what you and your son went through. Dozer May 2014 #53

Your previous posts have stated that the charges were dropped, not that your son was exonerated. LeftyMom May 2014 #63

She was a teenage bitch and liberalhistorian May 2014 #78

regardless qazplm May 2014 #80

Are all accused guilty? Charlos May 2014 #57

Quiet night in r/mensrights? LeftyMom May 2014 #64

You falsely imply that I believe only men (and not women) are sometimes not guilty Charlos May 2014 #66

Here's what the facts tell us about rape: LeftyMom May 2014 #69

god forbid rapists don't get the benefit of the doubt after multiple reports like they do now. bettyellen May 2014 #2

Alleged rapists should have the same presumption of innocence pnwmom May 2014 #10

They get way more than that on college campuses currently- the admins are intersted in keeping their bettyellen May 2014 #11

That is one reason serious cases like this should be handled by the police, not the college. pnwmom May 2014 #13

the police aren't all that much better in many communities, unfortunately. bettyellen May 2014 #16

Don't see why anyone but the police should be involved whether rape happens Mondavi May 2014 #24

I don't understand why the colleges should be handling these cases at all. pnwmom May 2014 #3

That's where a lot of issues originate from.... davidn3600 May 2014 #7

I think they should draw the line at serious assaults, including any rape. pnwmom May 2014 #9

unfortunately, many police deptartments are also pressured to keep their stats down- the NYPD for bettyellen May 2014 #12

Maybe so, but we can't solve that problem by depriving people accused of a particular crime pnwmom May 2014 #18

No one suggested that, so you seem to be tilting at windmills. *shrug* bettyellen May 2014 #19

Of all the violent crimes I can imagine, sexual violence against women is the least stigmatized. Gravitycollapse May 2014 #20

The issue is our system is based on a philosophy of innocence until proven guilty davidn3600 May 2014 #30

Because federal law requires it. Xithras May 2014 #49

I do totally agree with this. liberalhistorian May 2014 #51

Because colleges can do things like reschedule classes and dorm assignments to keep the victim safe. LeftyMom May 2014 #75

Easy solution, don't get put in a situation where giftedgirl77 May 2014 #4

That won't work. Anytime two people are alone together, they are both at risk. pnwmom May 2014 #8

What do you mean by "powerful?" Gravitycollapse May 2014 #21

Sometimes people are physically more powerful, sometimes they're older or younger, pnwmom May 2014 #22

But you assumed physical strength is positively correlated to higher rates of false rape accusation? Gravitycollapse May 2014 #23

No, not at all. Where did you come up with that idea? pnwmom May 2014 #25

"You could be raped or face false allegations of rape." - Gravitycollapse May 2014 #27

As I said, I was responding to the idea that one could avoid a false accusation pnwmom May 2014 #28

An 8%-10% rate of false rape accusations is a higher probability than being hit by a meteor. Nye Bevan May 2014 #71

That's among reported rapes. Not among each sexual event. Gravitycollapse May 2014 #81

Touche' giftedgirl77 May 2014 #32

Really? Sorry I've gotta call this victim-blaming, alp227 May 2014 #15

You're right. That's a form of victim blaming. The only way for a person pnwmom May 2014 #26

This message was self-deleted by its author A-Schwarzenegger May 2014 #31

tell that to Gary Dotson dsc May 2014 #45

yea obama. lets roll up our sleeves and get to work. this is a long time coming. nt seabeyond May 2014 #5

Here's where things get murky to me. Having sex with a drunk person is rape, right? pnwmom May 2014 #29

If there's no consent, it's rape. End of story. alp227 May 2014 #33

There is never real consent when a person is drunk. pnwmom May 2014 #35

Apparently not. alp227 May 2014 #42

I don't know how it could happen even in theory Major Nikon May 2014 #44

False reports are actually estimated at more like 8 - 10%, which is small but not insignificant. pnwmom May 2014 #47

Entirely possible that both parties had too much to drink and regretted the sex the next morning. Nye Bevan May 2014 #67

Then there's a whole lot of illegal sex going on because there's a whole lot of drunk sex going on. Comrade Grumpy May 2014 #70

Having sex with a drunk person doesn't meat the definition of rape in any state Major Nikon May 2014 #34

It does on many college campuses. For instance: pnwmom May 2014 #36

That echoes what I wrote Major Nikon May 2014 #37

No, it's more complicated than that. There are degrees of intoxication. pnwmom May 2014 #38

Your question was: "Having sex with a drunk person is rape, right?" Major Nikon May 2014 #40

Well, that's not what's being taught on many college campuses. pnwmom May 2014 #41

Which is a good reason to teach what consent means in the state of residence Major Nikon May 2014 #43

Consent (at least implicit consent) is still necessary whether one has had a few drinks or not. nomorenomore08 May 2014 #60

If the man is drunk, but not the woman, and the man regrets the sex the next morning, Nye Bevan May 2014 #68

Criminally? Perhaps not. But I would tend to assume that said woman isn't such a good person. nomorenomore08 May 2014 #73

Christina Hoff Summers is a renowned anti-feminist and rape apologist. Gravitycollapse May 2014 #6

From the "liberal" Los Angeles Times, too. nt alp227 May 2014 #14

Yeah, that caught me off guard. I don't follow the LA Times but I've heard it is left leaning. Gravitycollapse May 2014 #17

Easy solution, stay away from drunk girls. dilby May 2014 #46

Whoa. Wait. What are you trying to say here? alp227 May 2014 #48

Because they sometimes are. Xithras May 2014 #52

So don't socialize and don't enjoy life? Dozer May 2014 #55

Just use common sense. If the person is blacked-out, incapacitated, then leave them alone. nomorenomore08 May 2014 #61

If a student violates the code of conduct, they can be kicked out. alarimer May 2014 #54

This message was self-deleted by its author Dozer May 2014 #56

"if it is found that there is reasonable proof" Charlos May 2014 #58

It really should be "proof beyond a reasonable doubt" Nye Bevan May 2014 #72

of *course* there are people more concerned for the accused than for victims. BlancheSplanchnik May 2014 #59

If you are not a direct witness then Dozer May 2014 #62

gee, that sounds like the Sharia law in Pakistan BlancheSplanchnik May 2014 #77

All rape allegations on campus should simply be turned over to the police. Nye Bevan May 2014 #65

Are all serious crimes dealt wth by college aministrators? Violet_Crumble May 2014 #76

These steps seem reasonable. The only thing unreasonable is unrelated to Obamas actions Taitertots May 2014 #74

Let's just handle it like the crime it is, snot May 2014 #79