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In reply to the discussion: Why the Men's Rights Movement Is Garbage [View all]knightmaar
(748 posts)37. That's a bit of an oversimplification
A number of them are guys who were beaten by their mothers as children, or sexually abused by female teachers.
I'm not excusing them, but there are some complex emotional issues that drive some of this bullshit, and we have to acknowledge those if we want to change their minds.
The dumb thing is that feminists are basically on their side in these issues, and yet they blame feminists for creating them (because women want to be able to beat their children?)
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in some states you could legally rape.... legally rape, your wife up to what, 1993? nt
seabeyond
Apr 2014
#10
some much is jsut accepted with how we live, the way things were ect... but now. just looking
seabeyond
Apr 2014
#20
yes. didnt i hear a congressman or one of those men say that shuold not be illegal, recently?
seabeyond
Apr 2014
#23
too many women are walking. not taking their crap. hence, need for a foreign bride the perceive
seabeyond
Apr 2014
#28
i think what we have to acknowledge about MRA. it is not a small group of men.
seabeyond
Apr 2014
#8
reality BB, i have read them enough over the years to understand who they are. i have no desire
seabeyond
Apr 2014
#14
i do nto think there is anything more strong in a man than watching him speak out for his right
seabeyond
Apr 2014
#15
ya. screw the womans right having the baby, it is ALL about da man. you kinda reinforce the OP.
seabeyond
Apr 2014
#71
What right, sir, do you have to be present at another person's medical procedures?
msanthrope
Apr 2014
#80
I think it is a reasonable request to be notified that his child is being born.
newcriminal
Apr 2014
#201
An estranged boyfriend (or even husband) should not have an absolute right to be present
nomorenomore08
Apr 2014
#256
Her feelings should not trump the father's when we are discussing the child.
newcriminal
Apr 2014
#289
I agree. I said he should be able to visit after the birth even if the mother doesn't want him
nomorenomore08
Apr 2014
#296
This example perfectly illustrates the MRA movement's petulant desire to regain male control over wo
seabeyond
Apr 2014
#271
It boils down to, "Paternity trumps all! The father's relationship to the child
Squinch
Apr 2014
#274
But that's not feminism's fault. The idea that women are naturally better mothers comes from
nomorenomore08
Apr 2014
#255
I am wondering if The Men's Movement will have waves like The Feminist Movement.
Tuesday Afternoon
Apr 2014
#34
thanks and thanks for the thoughtful reply and I imagine you would be correct in
Tuesday Afternoon
Apr 2014
#45
When I said 'at worst' I was being extremely generous to the counter-position.
AtheistCrusader
Apr 2014
#174
I can give you a very explicit example of what i think you're talking about.
thucythucy
Apr 2014
#209
When a few male rape victims started showing up at our local center, the women running it
eridani
Apr 2014
#247
I want to second what sea said - this isn't some small group of annoying nutbags on the net.
redqueen
Apr 2014
#29
there are a lotta lotta lotta girls beaten, raped, abused by their fathers, uncles, brothers, ect...
seabeyond
Apr 2014
#39
no. that is how you are interpreting it for your own reasons. that is not the point. it is not
seabeyond
Apr 2014
#72
this is my comment to you. no one is talking about competition but you. only you see the only
seabeyond
Apr 2014
#84
It isn't, but it might be tied to one's ability to feed one for the first six months
Warpy
Apr 2014
#260
I don't think it is logical to assume that is a significant percentage of their membership.
Squinch
Apr 2014
#269
and hands down, by far, the percentage of assaults on boys are at the hands of men. not women. nt
seabeyond
Apr 2014
#273
Yes. And there is no movement against men by men who were traumatized by other men.
Squinch
Apr 2014
#275
"Those guys are about regaining their ownership of women and children." yup. and that ship sailed.
seabeyond
Apr 2014
#277
Poor dears. There's nowhere for them to turn! When I learned that they were mostly 17-20 years old,
Squinch
Apr 2014
#280
ya. but reddit users and they are younger. i know the percentage is up there for older men.
seabeyond
Apr 2014
#281
i have yet to hear one feminist advocate domination and i do not know one feminist that hates men.
seabeyond
Apr 2014
#36
that is a keeper. thank you. i use to have that until my puter crashed and i lost everything. nt
seabeyond
Apr 2014
#51
you go to feminist meetings? you see the hate? you hear feminists want to dominate?
seabeyond
Apr 2014
#57
Wow. That's a pretty ridiculous bunch of nonsense there. All us feminists just had a meeting
Squinch
Apr 2014
#270
laughing my fuggin' fuggin' ass of. i take my wine straight thank you very much.
seabeyond
Apr 2014
#276
well. you did not go to the same meeting i did. cause a couple of the women swtich drinks more
seabeyond
Apr 2014
#279
It sounds like you all had a blast at THAT meeting! The graphics you sent back
Squinch
Apr 2014
#282
so much fun. we are looking at the midwest yawl..... but they are talking end of may, june and i
seabeyond
Apr 2014
#283
too far. but.... i LOVE boston and want to hit maine. lol. been on du over ten yrs,
seabeyond
Apr 2014
#285
good point. we are takling men rights after all. i started hearing and supporting in the 80's.
seabeyond
Apr 2014
#98
This rhetoric alienates men from the party named in 48 point type at the top of this screen.
lumberjack_jeff
Apr 2014
#54
The vast majority of black, Latino, and Asian male voters prefer the Democratic Party
YoungDemCA
Apr 2014
#56
Really? Last I checked, a Democrat won the last two presidential elections...
YoungDemCA
Apr 2014
#120
Because the GOP panders to their very worst instincts, and shamelessly.
nomorenomore08
Apr 2014
#257
Exactly. One person's right to self-determination ends where another's begins.
nomorenomore08
Apr 2014
#258
i will tell you something else that just hit me. for a man to tell us women that speaking out,
seabeyond
Apr 2014
#73
Would you take "my issues" seriously if I define them as "what Iverglas thinks"?
seabeyond
Apr 2014
#85
Gee... The old 'people are voting repug because of rape culture talk' non-sense...
Ohio Joe
Apr 2014
#83
And let me ask further... What other right wing assholes are off limtis so they don't vote repug?
Ohio Joe
Apr 2014
#88
My comment wasn't about issues, it was about rhetoric. Specifically, the subject line.
lumberjack_jeff
Apr 2014
#94
You miss the fact that these assholes are already voting repug... They are not being driven away...
Ohio Joe
Apr 2014
#99
Well if YOU say it, it must be true... No need for facts or an explanation... Sheesh...
Ohio Joe
Apr 2014
#106
"they're not being driven away, they are voting for republicans" = unassailable logic.
lumberjack_jeff
Apr 2014
#107
You are the one claiming that talk of equal right drives them away... You have evidence of this?
Ohio Joe
Apr 2014
#122
Yeah... It's pretty stupid. And when the MRA talking point is exposed as untrue, he walks...
Ohio Joe
Apr 2014
#187
Those MRAs mentioned in that thread have no intention of ever voting for Democrats. nt
cyberswede
Apr 2014
#100
i will go even a step further. i think it is incredibly laudable that jeff wants to increase white
seabeyond
Apr 2014
#102
"do you really think they are likely candidates to read DU?" i think there are a couple,
seabeyond
Apr 2014
#114
Celebrating the success of women isn't implcitly celebrating the failure of men.
cyberswede
Apr 2014
#124
The implicit would be an improvement. I'm objecting to the explicit. n/t
lumberjack_jeff
Apr 2014
#130
Oh for Pete's sake. Obama isn't celebrating fewer men graduating from college.
cyberswede
Apr 2014
#139
If 25% less is "an accomplishment", then what's the eventual goal? n/t
lumberjack_jeff
Apr 2014
#149
Regarding college graduation rates, what's your definition of equality?
lumberjack_jeff
Apr 2014
#210
the equality came into women having the right to a college education. what comes out of it
seabeyond
Apr 2014
#217
You know Jeff, this is very frustrating. You and I had a colliquoy on just this subject
thucythucy
Apr 2014
#161
It's frustrating that I don't find "what used to be" a compelling justification for "what is"?
lumberjack_jeff
Apr 2014
#167
thanks thucy. i always figured it was just more women going to college and the mens number simply
seabeyond
Apr 2014
#182
then quit framing womens rights as a competition with men. you solved your problem.
seabeyond
Apr 2014
#194
With a star, you shouldn't be seeing those ads on the top of your screen.
lumberjack_jeff
Apr 2014
#169
Honest question--has any woman at any time ever made a false charge of rape
Damansarajaya
Apr 2014
#61
your post was pointing out false claim reports when in fact that is not what it was pointing out
seabeyond
Apr 2014
#183
i am well aware of the facts. both u.k and u.s. 2-3 false. up to 8% unfounded.
seabeyond
Apr 2014
#191
MRAs should be shitcanned from DU just like racists; if I have to see another door-holding post
alcibiades_mystery
Apr 2014
#97
Did you know that the term "MRA talking points" shows up on google 234,000 times?
lumberjack_jeff
Apr 2014
#211
I have looked for them. The list is apparently only known to the authors of those 234k posts.
lumberjack_jeff
Apr 2014
#216
I agree, but I have to say that the replies to the door-holding posts have become occasions for a
Squinch
Apr 2014
#272
If you think they're as ineffective as the Communist Party, then no, you really don't. nt
redqueen
Apr 2014
#156
But the majority of those point out the ridiculousness of MRA talking points
cyberswede
Apr 2014
#166
you'll get crickets and then he will go on and hope the next sucker thinks he sounds reasonable.....
bettyellen
Apr 2014
#238
Yes - and the post talks about how MRA talking points come from an ugly place
cyberswede
Apr 2014
#287
MRA want it on the law books, it is legal to rape. in some cases. raping a wife is legal. 40-50%
seabeyond
Apr 2014
#292
There is a matriarchy, but it exists at a family level not a societal one
McCamy Taylor
Apr 2014
#143
As I've talked about in other threads, it's the hypocrisy of both sides that fuel this shit
davidn3600
Apr 2014
#186
ha. it is the feminists fault for mens hate group. rollin' eye. you get the ironic in this, right?
seabeyond
Apr 2014
#188
I never said prisons were too crowded for rapists...but I have said they are too crowded
davidn3600
Apr 2014
#249
Boy you are good at taking things out of context and twisting it around to suit your agenda
davidn3600
Apr 2014
#263
You chose to respond to an article about the release of a man who had raped 40 women
BainsBane
Apr 2014
#264
"if nothing ever changes" LOL, read some history, fellow. And cancer screening - be it prostrate or
bettyellen
Apr 2014
#240
david, i don't know any feminist who thinks that men should pay more for health insurance
CreekDog
Apr 2014
#244
if i had to choose to trust a random feminist or a random MRA to advocate for me
CreekDog
Apr 2014
#246
Nobody is shifting blame from the rapist. Maybe you ought not work so hard feeding a falsehood
seabeyond
Apr 2014
#253
More like shifting blame from the victim to the perpetrator. Because too many people
nomorenomore08
Apr 2014
#261