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myrna minx

(22,772 posts)
131. I don't accept your framing and what I find to be false choices.
Thu Mar 20, 2014, 10:39 PM
Mar 2014

Last edited Thu Mar 20, 2014, 11:17 PM - Edit history (1)

The liberal base can still work hard to door knock, drive the elderly to the polls, phone bank *and* feel betrayed by the third way rightward pull and direction of the national party. I don't accept that false choices you present in this argument.

Also - voters aren't "lazy" - that's a bit of a haughty view of our citizens. In addition, I've never claimed that the voters are stupid either - yet another false frame.

Do you do realize that voters in in Ohio and Florida have had to wait for *hours* to vote? In horrible weather conditions? There are punitive Koch brother funded voting laws erupting up all over the country to prevent the right to vote for many! It's not a slight inconvenience as you say, in fact people have missed whole work shifts while waiting to vote because of the oppressive poll lines. The revocation of early voting which aids non-traditional workers like servers, factory workers etc - not just 8-5 workers has depressed voter turnout too.
http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2012/11/04/1136701/why-the-lines-are-so-long-in-florida-and-ohio/

Voters need to feel the issues they are passionate about mean something to those they elect. Democrats win when they promote populist positions like raising the minimum wage and expanding Medicare to cover the aging Boomers. Voters don't go to the polls for shitty fast track trade deals and oil pipelines. If voters in voter caging areas are to stand in line for hours, we better make it worth their while. Calling them lazy (and falsely claiming I called them stupid) isn't the way to go to GOTV>

The party hacks don't like too much turnout, it threatens their control of the party. bemildred Mar 2014 #1
Not in my part of the world, northern MI. JNelson6563 Mar 2014 #7
I'm talking about DC. State parties are where it's at, politically. bemildred Mar 2014 #10
Reality versus "Bad Democratic Party" delusion. eom 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #48
Some of us LIVE that reality Glitterati Mar 2014 #108
How is that related to ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #109
Uhhh, that's pretty simple Glitterati Mar 2014 #111
True. They need to promise a public option and support for unions to get people to the polls Doctor_J Mar 2014 #16
+1. nt bemildred Mar 2014 #17
My frustration level is in the red. People like JNelson and DCBob Doctor_J Mar 2014 #27
I have started using Full Ignore for the first time here. bemildred Mar 2014 #41
At this point, those who don't vote JNelson6563 Mar 2014 #2
Easier to blame the non-voters than a party that offers nothing to vote for. polichick Mar 2014 #4
Are you involved in anyway in JNelson6563 Mar 2014 #9
Actually I've been an activist for the party since the 70s... polichick Mar 2014 #12
You must live in an awful place. JNelson6563 Mar 2014 #15
Yeah, I live there too. iemitsu Mar 2014 #64
Howdy neighbor! polichick Mar 2014 #118
Hey, good to see you. iemitsu Mar 2014 #126
Bull fucking shit. You are making sweeping accusations and being hyperbolic. RBInMaine Mar 2014 #85
You can keep voting for Third Way hacks if you want... polichick Mar 2014 #117
BULLSHIT. You are drowning in pipedream purity. Please find reality. RBInMaine Mar 2014 #122
Reality: voter turnout will continue to be low because the party has sold its soul... polichick Mar 2014 #124
You're assessment is 100% spot on as far as I'm concerned. iemitsu Mar 2014 #127
That is a load of TeaLeft horseshit. Please, enough of that WHINING. It is Democrats fighting to RBInMaine Mar 2014 #84
Good luck getting voters to the polls with that story. polichick Mar 2014 #116
True, but so what? JHB Mar 2014 #18
Yes. The 2010 mid-terms were lost due to "independents", myrna minx Mar 2014 #21
But then you'd have to disagree with the ones who keep repeating over and over treestar Mar 2014 #26
I posted facts. It's nonsense to claim I have to admit to something or take the blame myrna minx Mar 2014 #31
Well if the facts are the independent voters didn't feel like voting treestar Mar 2014 #35
Only if you start with the assumption that independents are corporate conservatives TheKentuckian Mar 2014 #114
I don't accept your framing and what I find to be false choices. myrna minx Mar 2014 #131
I wonder if ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #53
+ eleventy gazillion! treestar Mar 2014 #94
That clearly is not the intended effect ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #104
You speak the truth. cheapdate Mar 2014 #129
In the best case ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #130
Partly true, but still, TOO MANY Dems stayed home in TOO MANY places. And that can't happen. RBInMaine Mar 2014 #86
This message was self-deleted by its author RBInMaine Mar 2014 #87
"the perfect is the enemy of the good" OKNancy Mar 2014 #25
+1 eom. 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #57
That is a loser's mindset. Marr Mar 2014 #68
you don't live in a red state I bet OKNancy Mar 2014 #73
i think many think posting on DU and other places on the internet is activism JI7 Mar 2014 #121
That is complete bullshit!! pocoloco Mar 2014 #81
K & R JNelson Thinkingabout Mar 2014 #119
Totally agree with Plouffe.. DCBob Mar 2014 #3
Of course there's a turnout issue - what does this party stand for anymore? polichick Mar 2014 #5
Well, then-"Third Way Dave" fredamae Mar 2014 #6
Yep - they'd better have their "come to Jesus" moment fast... polichick Mar 2014 #8
+1000 Tom Ripley Mar 2014 #36
They are better than Wall Street and War Loving Republicans. treestar Mar 2014 #38
Why, because they're Wall Street and War Loving Dems? Doctor_J Mar 2014 #42
then they were morons treestar Mar 2014 #92
Would you repeat this ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #61
When the Republican is able to hang "they want to cut Social Security" over the Dem Doctor_J Mar 2014 #11
"This is a screaming siren ..." napkinz Mar 2014 #13
Motivate supporters? Nah, just beat them into submission. jsr Mar 2014 #14
It's because Sink was a terrible candidate blackspade Mar 2014 #19
And, let's resurrect the Catfood Commission Oilwellian Mar 2014 #23
So because she was a terrible candidate we are going to stay away from the polls and totodeinhere Mar 2014 #50
Maybe that means the we should start running good candidates? blackspade Mar 2014 #110
Yes, people should vote anyway. Always vote. It's your civic duty. totodeinhere Mar 2014 #112
So your saying that Democrats should get out and elect crappy... blackspade Mar 2014 #113
No, I didn't say that. By all means we should work for candidates of our choice. totodeinhere Mar 2014 #115
Agreed ... 1StrongBlackMan Mar 2014 #63
Dave whines about 2010 but Oregon set turn out records in 2010 Bluenorthwest Mar 2014 #20
^^This!^^ BrotherIvan Mar 2014 #83
Calling Howard Dean bahrbearian Mar 2014 #22
The problem is giving the people something to vote for. Savannahmann Mar 2014 #24
Why do people need to be "given" something to vote for? treestar Mar 2014 #28
OK, but who do you vote for? Savannahmann Mar 2014 #32
The Democrats do stand for something treestar Mar 2014 #34
And you wonder why people don't show up. Le Taz Hot Mar 2014 #40
+1. nt bemildred Mar 2014 #44
Thank you. obxhead Mar 2014 #45
Nobody is telling you to accept right wing Democrats. But voting is a civic duty. We totodeinhere Mar 2014 #59
Any Democrat who doesn't show up to vote has nobody to blame but him or herself. totodeinhere Mar 2014 #54
I can see that my point just Le Taz Hot Mar 2014 #56
If we lose the upcoming election it will be largely the result iemitsu Mar 2014 #69
Gerrymandering has been around for a long time and has been practiced by both parties. I totodeinhere Mar 2014 #98
Amen. treestar Mar 2014 #97
was just thinking that.... justabob Mar 2014 #58
"improves!" Le Taz Hot Mar 2014 #62
Oh baloney. You have to beat the Republicans treestar Mar 2014 #96
In 2010 there was a new health law, fair pay law, stimulus, auto bailout...and too many STILL stayed RBInMaine Mar 2014 #88
A couple problems with your statements. Savannahmann Mar 2014 #103
He has pushed higher minimum wage and signed executive orders for it. He is pushing the income RBInMaine Mar 2014 #123
+1 totodeinhere Mar 2014 #51
This is an excellent post. Le Taz Hot Mar 2014 #37
It has been, several times. Savannahmann Mar 2014 #46
Medical Pot is on the floridia ballot Garion_55 Mar 2014 #29
a repuke won in a repuke district, shocking I tells ya NightWatcher Mar 2014 #30
President Obama won that district twice. Savannahmann Mar 2014 #33
Again, the presidency is not the only thing treestar Mar 2014 #39
It was not a R district. former9thward Mar 2014 #78
I held my nose and voted for Sink ...don't blame me. L0oniX Mar 2014 #43
everyone here votes straight D every possible time Doctor_J Mar 2014 #47
"Not as bad" has lost its appeal. Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2014 #49
They can always sell naming rights to the Democratic Party, maybe to Facebook or Monsanto... pragmatic_dem Mar 2014 #52
Or maybe a corporatist fan of "entitlement reform" DirkGently Mar 2014 #55
We have a voter education problem SoCalDem Mar 2014 #60
Sink did not pay enough attention to the all-important senior vote steve2470 Mar 2014 #65
The bigger problem was not getting enough YOUNG people and MINORITIES out to vote. RBInMaine Mar 2014 #89
yes we need to GOTV with those blocs also nt steve2470 Mar 2014 #91
Maybe the party should stop JoeyT Mar 2014 #66
One reason for the lack of turnout is that there is less and less...... socialist_n_TN Mar 2014 #67
Your attitude and analysis is part of the problem flamingdem Mar 2014 #70
In the FL debacle, the Republican was able to label the Dem as "social security cutter" Doctor_J Mar 2014 #71
But is that why they won? Or was it the turnout n/t flamingdem Mar 2014 #72
The lack of turnout was because the person with a (D) next to her name on the ballot Doctor_J Mar 2014 #76
The faux socialists and libertarian trenders are pretending that politics flamingdem Mar 2014 #77
"Faux socialist" is an attempt at a PERSONAL insult...... socialist_n_TN Mar 2014 #79
The verdict is in! Cali_Democrat Mar 2014 #82
Thanks CD flamingdem Mar 2014 #107
What's the matter, Ralph Nader isn't around to blame this time? In the end it is Democratic Party pragmatic_dem Mar 2014 #74
Dems are ending the wars and cutting the Pentagon budget. The NSA stuff is being reformed right now. RBInMaine Mar 2014 #90
You mean after after blowing another $500/600 billion (or more) in failed Afghanistan surge.... pragmatic_dem Mar 2014 #102
I agree the party and candidates need to excite their voters, BUT the voters also need to get up off RBInMaine Mar 2014 #93
The world isn't perfect, but it doesn't have to be this fucked up... pragmatic_dem Mar 2014 #120
No YOUR analysis is part of the problem..... socialist_n_TN Mar 2014 #75
I don't see many from your organization winning office. So you're just not going to vote? Hmmm...? RBInMaine Mar 2014 #95
Paul LePage is your governor, right? QC Mar 2014 #99
You can say that and your view is widely held at DU. And that's fine. The participants totodeinhere Mar 2014 #100
So I guess that ...... socialist_n_TN Mar 2014 #105
Jobs, jobs,and Good Jobs cap Mar 2014 #80
We should care what these supposedly Democratic candidates are running on ... MindMover Mar 2014 #101
Screaming Sirens warrprayer Mar 2014 #106
Sometimes when you are sick, you need more than an aspirin. kentuck Mar 2014 #125
Cancel Keystone deal made by youknowwho in 2010. Stop the dogandponyshow. blm Mar 2014 #128
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