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In reply to the discussion: Alan Grayson's Divorce issue. It just got sadder. There's video [View all]BainsBane
(53,154 posts)369. Indeed many people do read these exchanges
and form their opinions. Hence 183 recs for this thread. http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=4610760
and this
http://www.democraticunderground.com/12595087#post1
And I will add this: if your aim is to raise awareness of important issues like gender equality, sexism, and female objectification, it's my belief that you are succeeding. The threads I've read on these issues over the past several weeks have for the most part been very interesting and informative. That's not to say they haven't been frustrating for the participants -- and sometimes frustrating to read -- but I certainly never promised that DU would be a frustration-free experience, especially when people are discussing big issues that many progressives still apparently need to be educated on.
I have seen many people over these past several weeks admit that they didn't "get it" before, but have since changed their minds after reading some of these discussions. That could not have happened if we simply shut down these discussions. There have been many highly-recommended threads supporting women on DU who are speaking out. And the people who show up in these threads to complain about things like the unbearable burden of being a straight white man in America or how confusing it is to hold a door open for someone are, in my opinion, not doing themselves or their arguments any favors.
I have seen many people over these past several weeks admit that they didn't "get it" before, but have since changed their minds after reading some of these discussions. That could not have happened if we simply shut down these discussions. There have been many highly-recommended threads supporting women on DU who are speaking out. And the people who show up in these threads to complain about things like the unbearable burden of being a straight white man in America or how confusing it is to hold a door open for someone are, in my opinion, not doing themselves or their arguments any favors.
I have seen no such thread in support of your position. But by all means, feel free to post one and see what you come up with.
Hundreds of people and the owner of this site have said they disagree with you. Yet you are entirely impervious to this. You assume you and only you are the determinate of how women are allowed to behave and what rights you deem us allowed to have. A man telling a woman how she can speak and what she can work for is a "true feminist." A woman asserting her own rights is not a "true feminist" but instead a harasser. The reality of what has transpired on DU in recent weeks has completely escaped you. You appear incapable of viewing the world outside of ego, and nothing and no one else seems to matter.
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Alan Grayson's Divorce issue. It just got sadder. There's video [View all]
Baitball Blogger
Mar 2014
OP
actually men get abused by women but they are too embarrasses usually to report it. and of course
roguevalley
Mar 2014
#302
It shows she hit him, right? Or are you arguing that it doesn't show why he deserved it?
lumberjack_jeff
Mar 2014
#266
There are women who take advantage of the fact that their men won't hit back
elehhhhna
Mar 2014
#305
I'm suggesting that you should take more seriously the issue of injurious violence against *women*
lumberjack_jeff
Mar 2014
#394
The video doesn't enable us to see whether he struck her prior to the seconds shown
BainsBane
Mar 2014
#398
Both men and women are capable of battery. Not every man is ipso facto guilty.
villager
Mar 2014
#231
Links to what? I posted my opinion. Maybe you should read the rest of the thread first -
RC
Mar 2014
#127
There is a Group well know for their passive aggression against anyone that does not agree with
RC
Mar 2014
#329
Your posts are the evidence on your expertise on call outs, insults, harassment, and talking crap.
RC
Mar 2014
#367
you "encourage uppity women" as long as YOU decide they have a "valid case". you know what....?
seabeyond
Mar 2014
#371
Doctored video? Tinfoil hat, or just too much to drink? The video speaks for itself
JJChambers
Mar 2014
#339
He has no right to be there without her permission, since he is no longer an occupant.
bravenak
Mar 2014
#50
All the lawyers reading this are screaming at their computers. You are so wrong!
Shrike47
Mar 2014
#150
omg you have an active imagination. I see a gal taking what looks like a drunken swing
elehhhhna
Mar 2014
#307
Last Saturday he should have called instead of showing up uninvited and this wouldn't even be
bravenak
Mar 2014
#135
He can't come and go as he pleases with the allegations of violence no matter who owns the house.
bravenak
Mar 2014
#167
You either know more to this story than I do or you are making a LOT of assumptions.
phleshdef
Mar 2014
#247
Maybe he shouldn't have even bothered being born, as to not inconvenience anyone.
phleshdef
Mar 2014
#288
Well he could have at least had the common decency to off himself as soon as he was old enough to...
phleshdef
Mar 2014
#292
I think the kids should get to have some choice of which parent they go with.
bravenak
Mar 2014
#237
Not to me, I have to actually see things before I believe them. But apparently yes, to some
sabrina 1
Mar 2014
#206
They both obviously need to learn boundaries. If she is hitting him she is not innocent in this.
liberal_at_heart
Mar 2014
#24
You and your landlord have a legally binding agreement on access to the property. Do the Graysons?
opiate69
Mar 2014
#45
Unless she had some sort of order from the court (which doesn't look like she did),
LisaL
Mar 2014
#106
If he violated an order from the court he would have been arrested. Don't you freaking think that?
LisaL
Mar 2014
#120
And my main point was that to prevent this he should have called and gotten her permission
bravenak
Mar 2014
#169
You sound just like the cops who told me the exact same thing, right in my front yard.
Ikonoklast
Mar 2014
#264
The cops arrest her? Are you serious? They assumed I was the bad guy, with zero evidence.
Ikonoklast
Mar 2014
#282
His wife assaulting him was HIS fault. Gotcha. You've said that over and over.
Ikonoklast
Mar 2014
#286
Perhaps Grayson's lawyer didn't present the full video of the event for whatever reason.
lumpy
Mar 2014
#222
You dont know that she didnt invite him over to fix the toilet. You dont know enough
rhett o rick
Mar 2014
#211
I think he isn't respecting her boundaries because I can see her in the video yelling at him
bravenak
Mar 2014
#225
I saw that the daughter said her mother was the aggressor. Haven't seen anyone mention that.
lumpy
Mar 2014
#217
this video certainly isn't helpful for her case, didn't feel compelled to point out the obvious nt
geek tragedy
Mar 2014
#251
And also because it's tragically inconvenient to the prevailing dogma.
lumberjack_jeff
Mar 2014
#272
I'm sure there are those who would love to see left leaning progressives fall, so they wouldn't have
liberal_at_heart
Mar 2014
#72
I suspect that video was filmed by one of those newfangled cell phones that take pictures.
pacalo
Mar 2014
#359
I said this before the video, I will say it now. We should wait for the investigation.
stevenleser
Mar 2014
#30
+1. My best friend went through a rather prolonged divorce, which meant I made more than a few
winter is coming
Mar 2014
#37
Oh, I have been through divorce twice. It's like a trip through the twilight zone. nt
stevenleser
Mar 2014
#276
That's what gets me. The certainty of it. I'm happy to give my impression and guess but
stevenleser
Mar 2014
#278
Depends on two things. #1 - Whether the victim would be in real danger #2 - If the victim feared
stevenleser
Mar 2014
#320
So, you hear about victims doing this all the time just like police officers then? n/t
kcr
Mar 2014
#325
I am sure you think this reductio ad absurdum response is good debate. It's not.
stevenleser
Mar 2014
#360
I am not jumping to conclusions either and that is why I have said many times, I am not sure.
stevenleser
Mar 2014
#364
Oh yeah, of course the cops arrest the daughter. Who do you think they believe first?
Ikonoklast
Mar 2014
#291
there are those of us who stand up for men too. We're just not as loud as the ones who claim all men
liberal_at_heart
Mar 2014
#67
funny that there are no DUers who "claim all men are evil" so no the Mens' Rights'
geek tragedy
Mar 2014
#147
The reason being that men are still taught to stick to traditional gender roles
Harmony Blue
Mar 2014
#366
No, it's not weird. The video has sound. It was edited over concerns that it might not be legal
LisaL
Mar 2014
#88
Do you not understand that it might not be legal to release what she was saying unless
LisaL
Mar 2014
#122
It is clear to me that this video doesn't prove anything and Could have been altered in other ways
Whisp
Mar 2014
#157
There have been instances where cops have arrested people on wire tap charges for
1monster
Mar 2014
#397
In Oregon, it's illegal to covertly record audio but you can openly video legally.
Shrike47
Mar 2014
#183
Pretty smart on his part. His wife would be wise to consider doing the same.
temporary311
Mar 2014
#99
So, this DID go down the way I hoped it did in my response to last night's thread!
Systematic Chaos
Mar 2014
#177
Divorce is a blessing! She apparently had an injunction against him for violence
Sarah Ibarruri
Mar 2014
#193
She got an order based on her assertions of violence (no proof beyond her allegation needed.)
Shrike47
Mar 2014
#257
Either way, it makes me realize how important divorce is. It might sadden some, but
Sarah Ibarruri
Mar 2014
#267
I would expect a 'battered' wife to avoid having any confrontations with her 'abuser'.
pacalo
Mar 2014
#205
He showed up, apparently. Some marriages need to end. Most marriages in fact do end. nt
Sarah Ibarruri
Mar 2014
#218
She needs to remember those are his kids, too. They are going to want to see him & vice versa.
pacalo
Mar 2014
#226
Alan, if you see this..... We've all been through it at one time or another...
Pinkflamingo
Mar 2014
#265
Alan, if you see this, why do you pander to corporations such as Sea World???
ScreamingMeemie
Mar 2014
#279