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MrScorpio

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65. The greatest gift that White Privilege gives to its beneficiaries...

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Wed Feb 26, 2014, 09:44 PM

Feb 2014

Is the self-imposed right to the delusion that it doesn't really exist.

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Why I don't like the term "white privilege" PART TWO [View all] shaayecanaan Feb 2014 OP

White Privilege is a tool for understanding the world we live in el_bryanto Feb 2014 #1

I think that you speak for a lot of people here... shaayecanaan Feb 2014 #42

I am one of those who is not affluent Scootaloo Feb 2014 #107

You know I have a lot of respect for you... shaayecanaan Feb 2014 #108

We agree, I think Scootaloo Feb 2014 #164

Yes exactly my point - we disagree on something more fundamental el_bryanto Feb 2014 #123

White privilege is a huge part of capitalism brush Mar 2014 #178

I agree that White privilege exists, I just don't agree that it's intrinsic to capitalism. nt el_bryanto Mar 2014 #182

What would you call the phenomenon? brush Mar 2014 #183

I am in favor of regulated capitalism as you are. Capitalism is good at solving some problems el_bryanto Mar 2014 #184

Maybe you should just stop telling minorities that sufrommich Feb 2014 #2

Did he say that? MellowDem Feb 2014 #46

I didn't shaayecanaan Feb 2014 #54

White privilege and racism are two sides of the same coin Fearless Feb 2014 #3

They aren't... MellowDem Feb 2014 #49

I disagree Fearless Feb 2014 #73

Privilege was around before race was a concept... MellowDem Feb 2014 #79

You're merely parsing words Fearless Feb 2014 #81

How so... MellowDem Feb 2014 #89

To me if white on non-white racism didn't exist and/or white wasn't the majority Fearless Feb 2014 #92

There are many countries... MellowDem Feb 2014 #94

There are many places in the world where things are different. Fearless Feb 2014 #97

It's awful, but it's not racism... MellowDem Feb 2014 #98

" The current inequalities we have (were) surely influenced by racism to a great degree. " Fearless Feb 2014 #99

I agree with you there... MellowDem Feb 2014 #100

I'd contend that passive acceptance of a system Fearless Feb 2014 #102

Sure it is... MellowDem Feb 2014 #158

I read your first post and will continue with this upaloopa Feb 2014 #4

I disagree kwassa Feb 2014 #7

You make my point upaloopa Feb 2014 #8

No, you are the one ignoring and repeating. Let me make it simple. DanTex Feb 2014 #12

Here, in the next few days you are going to start upaloopa Feb 2014 #15

So no answer. How surprising. DanTex Feb 2014 #16

I've barely talked to this poster, too. kwassa Feb 2014 #17

And he wonders why people keep trying to explain white privilege to him... Squinch Feb 2014 #35

You are just like a right winger that calls a progresive upaloopa Feb 2014 #21

Favorite group: Gun Control & RKBA. Hmm, I think I'm starting to understand... DanTex Feb 2014 #106

Post removed Post removed Feb 2014 #142

It's okay. Some of these people are hopeless anyway. AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #149

So basically your point is you're closed minded and you don't care what anyone else's opinion or cui bono Feb 2014 #159

. kwassa Feb 2014 #13

Don't look now, but he pretty much knows what YOU are going to say too. Squinch Feb 2014 #36

This is a great post. Gormy Cuss Feb 2014 #10

Great post gollygee Feb 2014 #20

+1 fishwax Feb 2014 #77

Pretty much played out in Part One. Iggo Feb 2014 #5

Your third argument is incorrect kwassa Feb 2014 #6

again, this is a circular argument shaayecanaan Feb 2014 #19

Calling an argument circular doesn't make it untrue. kwassa Feb 2014 #56

Sure shaayecanaan Feb 2014 #58

You make no sense, and answered nothing in my post. kwassa Feb 2014 #63

What was it about the previous post shaayecanaan Feb 2014 #66

Please particularize this. kwassa Feb 2014 #69

Every post from that person does nothing, absolutely NOTHING but prove that white privilege is real Number23 Feb 2014 #90

I read the link in the previous thread about higher sentences for minorities shaayecanaan Feb 2014 #93

There are none so blind as those that refuse to see. kwassa Feb 2014 #121

self delete me b zola Feb 2014 #82

Whether people agree or disagree with you, I hope they can Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #9

The reason he had to start Part 2 was because he had a post hidden in his own thread Number23 Feb 2014 #30

Well, I was not aware of that. But even being aware of it Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #31

If he wants to continue to loudly broadcast how ignorant he is of American history then you're right Number23 Feb 2014 #33

Working class casual attire shaayecanaan Feb 2014 #47

Quite possible. But I'm discussing the U.S. Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #48

Sure shaayecanaan Feb 2014 #67

No. Indian Americans are wealthier Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #74

But the extent of that prejudice is limited by comparison shaayecanaan Feb 2014 #76

This is false. dendrobium Feb 2014 #145

Overriding point: Americans don't consider being denied things because of poverty "discrimination". Romulox Feb 2014 #11

This is an excellent post... shaayecanaan Feb 2014 #14

You employ a certain debating strategy. kwassa Feb 2014 #18

I appreciate your efforts in this thread, kwassa Number23 Feb 2014 #32

Thats not quite what I said... shaayecanaan Feb 2014 #39

And yet OPRAH WAS DISCRIMINATED AGAINST Number23 Feb 2014 #41

She said that she wasn't projecting wealth on this particular occasion... shaayecanaan Feb 2014 #44

You are the one that puts so much value on that. Seemingly agreeing that if black folks wore diamond Number23 Feb 2014 #45

No, it doesnt work that way... shaayecanaan Feb 2014 #51

I am doubtful that projecting wealth will actually work. cinnabonbon Feb 2014 #151

I don't have to dress in a way that projects wealth gollygee Feb 2014 #50

Thats because your ethnic appearance in itself is to some extent suggestive of being middle class shaayecanaan Feb 2014 #52

Yeah, white gollygee Feb 2014 #55

No, middle class shaayecanaan Feb 2014 #57

I'm not talking about the stereotype gollygee Feb 2014 #59

I fully accept that she was treated shabbily because she was Black shaayecanaan Feb 2014 #75

This is Oprah without makeup/wig etc. She doesn't look rich. El_Johns Feb 2014 #84

I don't look wealthy either gollygee Feb 2014 #111

It depends. Catch them getting out of bed you might not see a clear difference. El_Johns Feb 2014 #114

There's still privilege there gollygee Feb 2014 #115

Back to the overriding point--treating people badly because they're poor isn't our goal, is it? Romulox Feb 2014 #124

That's not the point gollygee Feb 2014 #129

It is *literally* the point that began this subthread (My post #11). Romulox Feb 2014 #132

To say that white male privilege exists gollygee Feb 2014 #133

Not necessarily, no. But that's what a large group at DU does, day in, day out. Romulox Feb 2014 #136

I think I'm in the group you're talking about gollygee Feb 2014 #138

No. I'm talking about a large group who *defend* our economic system, while claiming to critique Romulox Feb 2014 #139

Unfortunately, this is all too true. AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #150

I tried to respond to all the queries on the last thread... shaayecanaan Feb 2014 #37

As others have already noted, it is impossible to tell class by dress these days. kwassa Feb 2014 #61

This part's very interesting, don't you think? shaayecanaan Feb 2014 #80

Many unions were racist. Their working class members were racist. It is not about class. kwassa Feb 2014 #83

many black clergy were anti union shaayecanaan Feb 2014 #91

sorry, that is how you are interpreting the passage kwassa Feb 2014 #120

And some people accuse me of being in denial (nt) shaayecanaan Feb 2014 #162

There is also the racism in contemporary unions, particularly the construction trades. kwassa Feb 2014 #163

That is a right-wing anti-union site... shaayecanaan Feb 2014 #165

Yes, I do read it before I post it. kwassa Feb 2014 #166

And there are no class implications in any of this? shaayecanaan Feb 2014 #167

Are there no RACIAL implications in this? No WHITE PRIVILEGE? kwassa Feb 2014 #169

I never said that. More deliberate misquoting shaayecanaan Feb 2014 #170

The racist impetus came from the workers, not management .... kwassa Feb 2014 #173

So unions are not there to advance workers' rights shaayecanaan Mar 2014 #174

Unions might only advance white workers rights. kwassa Mar 2014 #177

Its the price of *tea* in China shaayecanaan Mar 2014 #179

You are grasping at straws, and are in denial that unions can be racist. kwassa Mar 2014 #180

Again, deliberate misquoting shaayecanaan Mar 2014 #181

I think an actual debate forum here would be a good idea. So many of us have both Egalitarian Thug Feb 2014 #110

I agree, but ... kwassa Feb 2014 #143

Look, I came in here for an argument! n/t Egalitarian Thug Feb 2014 #146

The term "white trash" gollygee Feb 2014 #22

Being poor is more than clothing. When a poor person opens their mouth, people know-- Romulox Feb 2014 #24

Not all poor people have those traits gollygee Feb 2014 #25

Being poor isn't a moral failing. Not being able to afford dentistry is common Romulox Feb 2014 #26

I agree that both exist gollygee Feb 2014 #27

I am poor. I don't have cracked yellow teeth and I speak in a standard american (tv) accent. I El_Johns Feb 2014 #85

It's nonsense to suggest that all the poor lack is a suit of clothes. If that were true, I'd loan Romulox Feb 2014 #122

You nailed it, inadvertently... shaayecanaan Feb 2014 #28

No those aren't comparable in the US gollygee Feb 2014 #29

So people treat Kenyan or Nigerian immigrants differently from the descendants of slaves? shaayecanaan Feb 2014 #34

Well except for those from Africa gollygee Feb 2014 #38

So it is based on visual appearance? shaayecanaan Feb 2014 #40

To some extent gollygee Feb 2014 #43

But you are prepared to accept shaayecanaan Feb 2014 #60

Huh? gollygee Feb 2014 #62

Was the question clear? shaayecanaan Feb 2014 #68

Here is my answer to your question. kwassa Feb 2014 #70

Even for a Black person that can "pass as white"? shaayecanaan Feb 2014 #71

You are mixing up two unrelated issues. kwassa Feb 2014 #78

the term "white trash" was invented by Black slaves shaayecanaan Feb 2014 #104

I don't care who invented it gollygee Feb 2014 #116

Right. A caste system... shaayecanaan Feb 2014 #118

You're still confusing how it works in other countries gollygee Feb 2014 #119

The counter-argument is based on an internalized acceptance of inequality. Romulox Feb 2014 #23

Absolutely correct shaayecanaan Feb 2014 #53

IOW, neoliberalism. Walter Benn Michaels explained it in "Let Them Eat Diversity": friendly_iconoclast Feb 2014 #105

thanks, great post shaayecanaan Feb 2014 #109

This is it, crystalized to its very essence: Romulox Feb 2014 #128

??? shaayecanaan Mar 2014 #175

and as soon as minority representatives achieve power, the majority of them vote just like rich El_Johns Feb 2014 #113

That's class privilege for you. nt Romulox Feb 2014 #130

there are actual scientific studies which have been done , of course those with agendas will ignore JI7 Feb 2014 #64

The greatest gift that White Privilege gives to its beneficiaries... MrScorpio Feb 2014 #65

That is a good one. (although depressing) cinnabonbon Feb 2014 #153

My reading of your thoughts on white privilege: PART TWO Capt. Obvious Feb 2014 #72

Orthodox Marxism concerns itself with racism. Starry Messenger Feb 2014 #86

Never implied otherwise shaayecanaan Feb 2014 #88

"Despite my having set out a fairly straightforward and orthodox Marxian approach to racism" Starry Messenger Feb 2014 #140

I know you aren't but what am I? shaayecanaan Mar 2014 #176

Good post Harmony Blue Feb 2014 #87

Not quite where I'm coming from... shaayecanaan Feb 2014 #95

Whether you like the term or not, White Privilege does exist. It is a vicious cycle. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #96

as we have seen with many other issues, and especially today with the anti gay bill JI7 Feb 2014 #103

Yes, I witness a daily variation of it when discussing human dignity issues. Thank you. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #141

There is, however, a good reason in this case. AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #154

Third argument: USA has a pretty short history. We were founded by WAS(mostly)Ps. moriah Feb 2014 #101

depends on what you mean by 'founded'. El_Johns Feb 2014 #112

Yeah, but I was referring to the fact that the majority white property owners had the vote. n/t moriah Feb 2014 #147

Doesn't matter ismnotwasm Feb 2014 #117

As always, there is not a critical mass of DUers with the vocabulary to discuss class. Romulox Feb 2014 #125

He is denying white privilege gollygee Feb 2014 #131

That's not my read on it at all. The following quote is the best synopsis of the point: Romulox Feb 2014 #134

This creates a dichotomy that does not need to exist gollygee Feb 2014 #135

We agree there. But unfortunately, this is not the mainstream view here at DU, or in academia. nt Romulox Feb 2014 #137

I don't think anyone is denying class. I think the OP is denying white privilege. kwassa Feb 2014 #144

and yet shaayecanaan Feb 2014 #160

Gay rights and reproductive rights are also very important gollygee Feb 2014 #161

people can make all kinds of arguments, excuses, validations why white does not have privilege over seabeyond Feb 2014 #126

Move on. nt ladjf Feb 2014 #127

This is, honestly, one of the most intelligent and balanced analyses I've seen on the subject AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #148

But it isn't balanced; that is the very problem. Hence, few recs. kwassa Feb 2014 #152

Only in your opinion, kwassa. And it's pretty much dead wrong, too, sad to say. AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #155

In my opinion and most of the other respondents in this thread. kwassa Feb 2014 #156

A well-reasoned post, but I disagree with a lot of it. DanTex Feb 2014 #157

I personally disagree with the concept of "white privilege" but this was a pretty decent response. AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #168

Couple of points shaayecanaan Feb 2014 #171

Yes, OK, there are some cases where race is used deliberately by the ruling class. DanTex Feb 2014 #172