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shaayecanaan

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44. She said that she wasn't projecting wealth on this particular occasion...

Wed Feb 26, 2014, 08:06 PM

Feb 2014

and that she wasn't wearing anything that would conspicuously identify her as wealthy. She also seemed to indicating that had she done so, she probably would have been treated much more solicitously.

With a net worth of over one BILLION dollars, it's impossible for her NOT to project wealth whether she wants to or not.

Really? How do you mean that? Can you tell how much I am worth by looking at me?

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Why I don't like the term "white privilege" PART TWO [View all] shaayecanaan Feb 2014 OP

White Privilege is a tool for understanding the world we live in el_bryanto Feb 2014 #1

I think that you speak for a lot of people here... shaayecanaan Feb 2014 #42

I am one of those who is not affluent Scootaloo Feb 2014 #107

You know I have a lot of respect for you... shaayecanaan Feb 2014 #108

We agree, I think Scootaloo Feb 2014 #164

Yes exactly my point - we disagree on something more fundamental el_bryanto Feb 2014 #123

White privilege is a huge part of capitalism brush Mar 2014 #178

I agree that White privilege exists, I just don't agree that it's intrinsic to capitalism. nt el_bryanto Mar 2014 #182

What would you call the phenomenon? brush Mar 2014 #183

I am in favor of regulated capitalism as you are. Capitalism is good at solving some problems el_bryanto Mar 2014 #184

Maybe you should just stop telling minorities that sufrommich Feb 2014 #2

Did he say that? MellowDem Feb 2014 #46

I didn't shaayecanaan Feb 2014 #54

White privilege and racism are two sides of the same coin Fearless Feb 2014 #3

They aren't... MellowDem Feb 2014 #49

I disagree Fearless Feb 2014 #73

Privilege was around before race was a concept... MellowDem Feb 2014 #79

You're merely parsing words Fearless Feb 2014 #81

How so... MellowDem Feb 2014 #89

To me if white on non-white racism didn't exist and/or white wasn't the majority Fearless Feb 2014 #92

There are many countries... MellowDem Feb 2014 #94

There are many places in the world where things are different. Fearless Feb 2014 #97

It's awful, but it's not racism... MellowDem Feb 2014 #98

" The current inequalities we have (were) surely influenced by racism to a great degree. " Fearless Feb 2014 #99

I agree with you there... MellowDem Feb 2014 #100

I'd contend that passive acceptance of a system Fearless Feb 2014 #102

Sure it is... MellowDem Feb 2014 #158

I read your first post and will continue with this upaloopa Feb 2014 #4

I disagree kwassa Feb 2014 #7

You make my point upaloopa Feb 2014 #8

No, you are the one ignoring and repeating. Let me make it simple. DanTex Feb 2014 #12

Here, in the next few days you are going to start upaloopa Feb 2014 #15

So no answer. How surprising. DanTex Feb 2014 #16

I've barely talked to this poster, too. kwassa Feb 2014 #17

And he wonders why people keep trying to explain white privilege to him... Squinch Feb 2014 #35

You are just like a right winger that calls a progresive upaloopa Feb 2014 #21

Favorite group: Gun Control & RKBA. Hmm, I think I'm starting to understand... DanTex Feb 2014 #106

Post removed Post removed Feb 2014 #142

It's okay. Some of these people are hopeless anyway. AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #149

So basically your point is you're closed minded and you don't care what anyone else's opinion or cui bono Feb 2014 #159

. kwassa Feb 2014 #13

Don't look now, but he pretty much knows what YOU are going to say too. Squinch Feb 2014 #36

This is a great post. Gormy Cuss Feb 2014 #10

Great post gollygee Feb 2014 #20

+1 fishwax Feb 2014 #77

Pretty much played out in Part One. Iggo Feb 2014 #5

Your third argument is incorrect kwassa Feb 2014 #6

again, this is a circular argument shaayecanaan Feb 2014 #19

Calling an argument circular doesn't make it untrue. kwassa Feb 2014 #56

Sure shaayecanaan Feb 2014 #58

You make no sense, and answered nothing in my post. kwassa Feb 2014 #63

What was it about the previous post shaayecanaan Feb 2014 #66

Please particularize this. kwassa Feb 2014 #69

Every post from that person does nothing, absolutely NOTHING but prove that white privilege is real Number23 Feb 2014 #90

I read the link in the previous thread about higher sentences for minorities shaayecanaan Feb 2014 #93

There are none so blind as those that refuse to see. kwassa Feb 2014 #121

self delete me b zola Feb 2014 #82

Whether people agree or disagree with you, I hope they can Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #9

The reason he had to start Part 2 was because he had a post hidden in his own thread Number23 Feb 2014 #30

Well, I was not aware of that. But even being aware of it Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #31

If he wants to continue to loudly broadcast how ignorant he is of American history then you're right Number23 Feb 2014 #33

Working class casual attire shaayecanaan Feb 2014 #47

Quite possible. But I'm discussing the U.S. Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #48

Sure shaayecanaan Feb 2014 #67

No. Indian Americans are wealthier Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #74

But the extent of that prejudice is limited by comparison shaayecanaan Feb 2014 #76

This is false. dendrobium Feb 2014 #145

Overriding point: Americans don't consider being denied things because of poverty "discrimination". Romulox Feb 2014 #11

This is an excellent post... shaayecanaan Feb 2014 #14

You employ a certain debating strategy. kwassa Feb 2014 #18

I appreciate your efforts in this thread, kwassa Number23 Feb 2014 #32

Thats not quite what I said... shaayecanaan Feb 2014 #39

And yet OPRAH WAS DISCRIMINATED AGAINST Number23 Feb 2014 #41

She said that she wasn't projecting wealth on this particular occasion... shaayecanaan Feb 2014 #44

You are the one that puts so much value on that. Seemingly agreeing that if black folks wore diamond Number23 Feb 2014 #45

No, it doesnt work that way... shaayecanaan Feb 2014 #51

I am doubtful that projecting wealth will actually work. cinnabonbon Feb 2014 #151

I don't have to dress in a way that projects wealth gollygee Feb 2014 #50

Thats because your ethnic appearance in itself is to some extent suggestive of being middle class shaayecanaan Feb 2014 #52

Yeah, white gollygee Feb 2014 #55

No, middle class shaayecanaan Feb 2014 #57

I'm not talking about the stereotype gollygee Feb 2014 #59

I fully accept that she was treated shabbily because she was Black shaayecanaan Feb 2014 #75

This is Oprah without makeup/wig etc. She doesn't look rich. El_Johns Feb 2014 #84

I don't look wealthy either gollygee Feb 2014 #111

It depends. Catch them getting out of bed you might not see a clear difference. El_Johns Feb 2014 #114

There's still privilege there gollygee Feb 2014 #115

Back to the overriding point--treating people badly because they're poor isn't our goal, is it? Romulox Feb 2014 #124

That's not the point gollygee Feb 2014 #129

It is *literally* the point that began this subthread (My post #11). Romulox Feb 2014 #132

To say that white male privilege exists gollygee Feb 2014 #133

Not necessarily, no. But that's what a large group at DU does, day in, day out. Romulox Feb 2014 #136

I think I'm in the group you're talking about gollygee Feb 2014 #138

No. I'm talking about a large group who *defend* our economic system, while claiming to critique Romulox Feb 2014 #139

Unfortunately, this is all too true. AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #150

I tried to respond to all the queries on the last thread... shaayecanaan Feb 2014 #37

As others have already noted, it is impossible to tell class by dress these days. kwassa Feb 2014 #61

This part's very interesting, don't you think? shaayecanaan Feb 2014 #80

Many unions were racist. Their working class members were racist. It is not about class. kwassa Feb 2014 #83

many black clergy were anti union shaayecanaan Feb 2014 #91

sorry, that is how you are interpreting the passage kwassa Feb 2014 #120

And some people accuse me of being in denial (nt) shaayecanaan Feb 2014 #162

There is also the racism in contemporary unions, particularly the construction trades. kwassa Feb 2014 #163

That is a right-wing anti-union site... shaayecanaan Feb 2014 #165

Yes, I do read it before I post it. kwassa Feb 2014 #166

And there are no class implications in any of this? shaayecanaan Feb 2014 #167

Are there no RACIAL implications in this? No WHITE PRIVILEGE? kwassa Feb 2014 #169

I never said that. More deliberate misquoting shaayecanaan Feb 2014 #170

The racist impetus came from the workers, not management .... kwassa Feb 2014 #173

So unions are not there to advance workers' rights shaayecanaan Mar 2014 #174

Unions might only advance white workers rights. kwassa Mar 2014 #177

Its the price of *tea* in China shaayecanaan Mar 2014 #179

You are grasping at straws, and are in denial that unions can be racist. kwassa Mar 2014 #180

Again, deliberate misquoting shaayecanaan Mar 2014 #181

I think an actual debate forum here would be a good idea. So many of us have both Egalitarian Thug Feb 2014 #110

I agree, but ... kwassa Feb 2014 #143

Look, I came in here for an argument! n/t Egalitarian Thug Feb 2014 #146

The term "white trash" gollygee Feb 2014 #22

Being poor is more than clothing. When a poor person opens their mouth, people know-- Romulox Feb 2014 #24

Not all poor people have those traits gollygee Feb 2014 #25

Being poor isn't a moral failing. Not being able to afford dentistry is common Romulox Feb 2014 #26

I agree that both exist gollygee Feb 2014 #27

I am poor. I don't have cracked yellow teeth and I speak in a standard american (tv) accent. I El_Johns Feb 2014 #85

It's nonsense to suggest that all the poor lack is a suit of clothes. If that were true, I'd loan Romulox Feb 2014 #122

You nailed it, inadvertently... shaayecanaan Feb 2014 #28

No those aren't comparable in the US gollygee Feb 2014 #29

So people treat Kenyan or Nigerian immigrants differently from the descendants of slaves? shaayecanaan Feb 2014 #34

Well except for those from Africa gollygee Feb 2014 #38

So it is based on visual appearance? shaayecanaan Feb 2014 #40

To some extent gollygee Feb 2014 #43

But you are prepared to accept shaayecanaan Feb 2014 #60

Huh? gollygee Feb 2014 #62

Was the question clear? shaayecanaan Feb 2014 #68

Here is my answer to your question. kwassa Feb 2014 #70

Even for a Black person that can "pass as white"? shaayecanaan Feb 2014 #71

You are mixing up two unrelated issues. kwassa Feb 2014 #78

the term "white trash" was invented by Black slaves shaayecanaan Feb 2014 #104

I don't care who invented it gollygee Feb 2014 #116

Right. A caste system... shaayecanaan Feb 2014 #118

You're still confusing how it works in other countries gollygee Feb 2014 #119

The counter-argument is based on an internalized acceptance of inequality. Romulox Feb 2014 #23

Absolutely correct shaayecanaan Feb 2014 #53

IOW, neoliberalism. Walter Benn Michaels explained it in "Let Them Eat Diversity": friendly_iconoclast Feb 2014 #105

thanks, great post shaayecanaan Feb 2014 #109

This is it, crystalized to its very essence: Romulox Feb 2014 #128

??? shaayecanaan Mar 2014 #175

and as soon as minority representatives achieve power, the majority of them vote just like rich El_Johns Feb 2014 #113

That's class privilege for you. nt Romulox Feb 2014 #130

there are actual scientific studies which have been done , of course those with agendas will ignore JI7 Feb 2014 #64

The greatest gift that White Privilege gives to its beneficiaries... MrScorpio Feb 2014 #65

That is a good one. (although depressing) cinnabonbon Feb 2014 #153

My reading of your thoughts on white privilege: PART TWO Capt. Obvious Feb 2014 #72

Orthodox Marxism concerns itself with racism. Starry Messenger Feb 2014 #86

Never implied otherwise shaayecanaan Feb 2014 #88

"Despite my having set out a fairly straightforward and orthodox Marxian approach to racism" Starry Messenger Feb 2014 #140

I know you aren't but what am I? shaayecanaan Mar 2014 #176

Good post Harmony Blue Feb 2014 #87

Not quite where I'm coming from... shaayecanaan Feb 2014 #95

Whether you like the term or not, White Privilege does exist. It is a vicious cycle. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #96

as we have seen with many other issues, and especially today with the anti gay bill JI7 Feb 2014 #103

Yes, I witness a daily variation of it when discussing human dignity issues. Thank you. Tuesday Afternoon Feb 2014 #141

There is, however, a good reason in this case. AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #154

Third argument: USA has a pretty short history. We were founded by WAS(mostly)Ps. moriah Feb 2014 #101

depends on what you mean by 'founded'. El_Johns Feb 2014 #112

Yeah, but I was referring to the fact that the majority white property owners had the vote. n/t moriah Feb 2014 #147

Doesn't matter ismnotwasm Feb 2014 #117

As always, there is not a critical mass of DUers with the vocabulary to discuss class. Romulox Feb 2014 #125

He is denying white privilege gollygee Feb 2014 #131

That's not my read on it at all. The following quote is the best synopsis of the point: Romulox Feb 2014 #134

This creates a dichotomy that does not need to exist gollygee Feb 2014 #135

We agree there. But unfortunately, this is not the mainstream view here at DU, or in academia. nt Romulox Feb 2014 #137

I don't think anyone is denying class. I think the OP is denying white privilege. kwassa Feb 2014 #144

and yet shaayecanaan Feb 2014 #160

Gay rights and reproductive rights are also very important gollygee Feb 2014 #161

people can make all kinds of arguments, excuses, validations why white does not have privilege over seabeyond Feb 2014 #126

Move on. nt ladjf Feb 2014 #127

This is, honestly, one of the most intelligent and balanced analyses I've seen on the subject AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #148

But it isn't balanced; that is the very problem. Hence, few recs. kwassa Feb 2014 #152

Only in your opinion, kwassa. And it's pretty much dead wrong, too, sad to say. AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #155

In my opinion and most of the other respondents in this thread. kwassa Feb 2014 #156

A well-reasoned post, but I disagree with a lot of it. DanTex Feb 2014 #157

I personally disagree with the concept of "white privilege" but this was a pretty decent response. AverageJoe90 Feb 2014 #168

Couple of points shaayecanaan Feb 2014 #171

Yes, OK, there are some cases where race is used deliberately by the ruling class. DanTex Feb 2014 #172