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(3,179 posts)343. Absolute truth. nt
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That's my understanding as well. Any reaction other than utter contempt for objectification was met
Jetboy
Feb 2014
#13
The difference is that people don't go into the lounge expecting progressive political discussions.
pnwmom
Feb 2014
#14
thank you for sharing that ... some great insight in that post. Thank you. Brave post.
Tuesday Afternoon
Feb 2014
#80
You have every right tonot like the decision that I and the other hosts made in regards to beefcake
dsc
Feb 2014
#332
thank you for this. transparency ... while I think MsToad has/had a point. I hope this can all be
Tuesday Afternoon
Feb 2014
#115
I am dear as soon as I set up a blog where I can really say what I think of you
Cleita
Feb 2014
#197
If you really want to help, get involved in political campaigns...
ConservativeDemocrat
Feb 2014
#281
Thanks. I have done that in the past, but I'm slowing down and too old for the leg
Cleita
Feb 2014
#282
NO one is NOT supporting them...its about having a fair playing field on DU...
VanillaRhapsody
Feb 2014
#196
I can only imagine the ethical and mental convenience given to those who conflate civility and prudi
LanternWaste
Feb 2014
#368
"And what is more liberal than freedom?" - Cheesy, meaningless bullshit.
Gravitycollapse
Feb 2014
#22
Every Joe Blow libertarian waxes poetic about the primacy of "freedom."
Gravitycollapse
Feb 2014
#154
I was in JC Penney this evening with my SO and we walked by the women lingerie department.
RC
Feb 2014
#149
well....the "HoF crowd's" postings strike me more as the logical result
BlancheSplanchnik
Feb 2014
#276
The unintended and sometimes negative consequences of that same freedom...
LanternWaste
Feb 2014
#366
If the SI cover, which is out in the supermarkets in full view, were in fact naked women showing
Cleita
Feb 2014
#4
It's known as a fashion photo shoot. Pick up any Style, Marie Claire or Vogue and you will see
Cleita
Feb 2014
#153
Well, beach is where those photo shoots are done. What is wrong with topless anyway
Cleita
Feb 2014
#162
No I do not hate women. And yes, I know that women go topless in many places.
RBStevens
Feb 2014
#166
So are you spontaneous at your job? You do know that a fashion shoot is a job, not just for
Cleita
Feb 2014
#170
That's true so if women are buying all the bikinis, guess who they are marketing to. n/t
Cleita
Feb 2014
#255
Yeah she does post in your group - mostly in the Hot celebrity thread which I see is not one
seaglass
Feb 2014
#38
It is so obvious that opinon on this site is entirely against your views on this issue
BainsBane
Feb 2014
#211
You are objecting to not being allowed to objectify women in the General Discussion...
VanillaRhapsody
Feb 2014
#369
YOU know where.....I am not interested in those threads..they sound disgusting to me
VanillaRhapsody
Feb 2014
#376
I do. I just think that you're the bully, not the object of your vendetta.
Democracyinkind
Feb 2014
#248
While I think both HoF *and* the Men's Group have been unfairly characterized at times
nomorenomore08
Feb 2014
#398
You know, we may seem to be on slightly opposite sides at times, but I have no problem
nomorenomore08
Feb 2014
#399
I don't understand how my post could in any way be controversial or problematic,
polly7
Feb 2014
#400
It isn't, to me. But you know how people around here - on all sides - will twist others' words
nomorenomore08
Feb 2014
#402
I basically agree with that assessment. Though it may be as much a general human tendency to
nomorenomore08
Feb 2014
#406
You can usually tell pretty easily when it's oversimplification or not understanding ...
polly7
Feb 2014
#407
I agree that the caricaturing and name-calling frequently gets out of hand around here.
nomorenomore08
Feb 2014
#409
Cool. You're angry for call outs. And your solution for this is to do exactly what you despise.
Gravitycollapse
Feb 2014
#25
Does blocking a problem from your consciousness involve talking about it a lot?
Gravitycollapse
Feb 2014
#29
But it is mistaken from the beginning. The SI cover OP was started by a woman. nt
Bonobo
Feb 2014
#30
What is so important about your presumed right to post Kate Upton pics in GD?
nomorenomore08
Feb 2014
#403
If one sees any of the opinions expressed on here as "extremely controlling and
nomorenomore08
Feb 2014
#405
It just is funny that you don't see belittling men at every opportunity as analogous
Bonobo
Feb 2014
#37
I agree that there's been over-the-top rhetoric all around. And my own frustration with things
nomorenomore08
Feb 2014
#410
"When I read posts like JTFrog's I am reminded what is truly at stake here."
nomorenomore08
Feb 2014
#408
And so to end the Gender wars you call out only the men and tell "men" they must change...
Drew Richards
Feb 2014
#40
Well, I am glad you set me straight "its use is most appropriate here in this discussion"
etherealtruth
Feb 2014
#62
I especailly like your point about words that are used in everyday language
etherealtruth
Feb 2014
#86
I don't think DU'ers literally believe that women aren't people. But their worldview is myopic and
nomorenomore08
Feb 2014
#412
Its usage reminds me of an appellation applied to another group of people
etherealtruth
Feb 2014
#99
And here is a perfect example of what I am talking about...a direct personal attack on my character
Drew Richards
Feb 2014
#396
10 DUers? You need to recount. I have seen hundreds of posters come out against these images.
Squinch
Feb 2014
#120
Are they really attacking all men? Or only those men who belittle women seeking social justice
nomorenomore08
Feb 2014
#411
I agree that you and others have been treated unfairly. I'm not perfectly objective
nomorenomore08
Feb 2014
#418
You're a good person, and there's certainly nothing wrong with being a dreamer!
polly7
Feb 2014
#423
Another example of incorrectly framing a position with which you disagree.
Gravitycollapse
Feb 2014
#77
I am correct in this instance. Incorrectly framing feminist arguments on DU is a beloved pastime.
Gravitycollapse
Feb 2014
#132
If the default is still "human" = "male" then I don't see how "humanism" is some great marker
nomorenomore08
Feb 2014
#413
"No meaningful legislation possible" is probably correct, in this instance.
nomorenomore08
Feb 2014
#414
The real question is why is it an issue and what are we to do about it?
Tuesday Afternoon
Feb 2014
#129
I think the Hosts should be held responsible for that behavior in their forum....
msanthrope
Feb 2014
#146
It's worth noting that one of the -few- hides I've had, was for speculating that someone wasn't what
Warren DeMontague
Feb 2014
#175
I'm actually a carefully constructed AI algorithm, sort of a research project at Caltech
Warren DeMontague
Feb 2014
#180
Sure, you laugh, but the only thing standing between me and total world domination
Warren DeMontague
Feb 2014
#187
bs. just bs. that is all. and thanks for the link so people can read it for themselves and
Tuesday Afternoon
Feb 2014
#219
TA, I got your analogy right away, and I think that your words were twisted for dramatic effect
R B Garr
Feb 2014
#269
I'd like to hear an explanation of this 'analogy' that equates a woman with a dog...
Violet_Crumble
Feb 2014
#355
So pointing out that a post is sexist is 'sanctimonious crap'? Uh oh-kay...
Violet_Crumble
Feb 2014
#374
Actually I did appreciate that you explained where you were coming from in relation
R B Garr
Feb 2014
#377
Now one question for you: what is meant by the implication someone is a man-hater?
R B Garr
Feb 2014
#388
Yes, you do have it wrong RainDog - it did not start with someone comparing Riff's behavior
seaglass
Feb 2014
#220
So because someone called someone a name three months ago, that is why multiple
Squinch
Feb 2014
#230
And one post calling someone a name 3 months ago will reverberate through the ages...
Squinch
Feb 2014
#320
"...objectification theory itself is based upon shame-based views of the human body."
nomorenomore08
Feb 2014
#424
People are so often their own worst enemies. Getting bogged down in personal beefs
nomorenomore08
Feb 2014
#427
I have no interest in scoring points against either gender of human being.
another_liberal
Feb 2014
#105
Surely, after being behooved repeatedly in such a fashion, now you have repented.
Warren DeMontague
Feb 2014
#141
"Sexy Christian love offerings"? That phrase is about 10 billion kinds of wrong...
nomorenomore08
Feb 2014
#419
But, we have to allow the perpetually outraged among us to have something to focus on.....
kiawah
Feb 2014
#173
I think that the swimsuit photo arguments are only an outward manifestation of a deeper issue.
lumberjack_jeff
Feb 2014
#208
and my experience is the opposite- because of maternity leave- the bread winning Moms I have known
bettyellen
Feb 2014
#344
One only needs to take a look at who is actually getting posts hidden.
redgreenandblue
Feb 2014
#256
I've long suspected most of our anti-woman posters are mad because they're not getting laid.
LeftyMom
Feb 2014
#316
OMG, Benny. If you seriously didn't understand that post was flamebait, you need
Squinch
Feb 2014
#317
I get the first part, where you made up a ridiculous story about being the innocent victim.
Warren Stupidity
Feb 2014
#323
Of course not. But she has just as much right to an opinion as he does.
nomorenomore08
Feb 2014
#393
And even if true, that doesn't relieve anyone of the responsibility to not be an asshole...
nomorenomore08
Feb 2014
#394
yes, that line was most telling for me as well. I was just going to copy and paste that sentence
Tuesday Afternoon
Feb 2014
#359
The level of hostility is completely unreasonable. WTF is this guy's problem?
nomorenomore08
Feb 2014
#395
You "would really like to spit in the face of a couple of posters here" and "feel the need to piss
bettyellen
Feb 2014
#339