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caseymoz

(5,763 posts)
33. Really? Have you forgotten that nothing's perfect?
Thu Mar 22, 2012, 01:55 AM
Mar 2012

Last edited Thu Mar 22, 2012, 05:15 AM - Edit history (3)

If somebody commits a homicide and it looks like it might not have been in self-defense or justifiable, that is, it's suggestive but not clear cut, then it has to be investigated and probably prosecuted. Otherwise, how would the court, or anyone, determine if the the homicide was justifiable? Either that, or murder isn't always important enough for authorities to look into.

And you're saying prosecution is an injustice? It becomes an injustice when you're innocent but get convicted anyway. Otherwise, if you proceed from the notion that prosecution itself is an injustice, the whole system of jurisprudence becomes unworkable, and you have to start from scratch, which will take an awful long time to redesign and rebuild. (That's not to say that there aren't wrongful, harassing prosecutions. Different subject.)

You have to consider prosecution an unfortunate, terrible ordeal, but not an injustice until it reaches an unjust outcome.

If you try to perfect our system to keep justifiable homicides from even being prosecuted, because less than perfect is broken, you have to do things like change the definition of "justifiable" to something different than what has been understood in Common Law for centuries, that's SYG.

The unintended consequence of this is you make homicide, in general, less of an earth-shaking matter than it's always been. That is, the life of the person is not important enough to be your last resort. Well, if it's not your last resort, which resort is it? It isn't easy for police to recognize if a homicide is justifiable unless it's the last resort.

Moreover, if homicide of any sort isn't offensive enough to a person that they wouldn't attempt to run from it first, how ethical might they be otherwise? People don't realize the implications that they're supporting with this law. They think they could have it without its consequences.

And those consequences are why Zimmerman was allowed to walk away from the scene and will be now be allowed to get away scot-free. Last I checked, gun-righters didn't like coddling criminals. Man, they'll enjoy cuddling Zimmerman.

What's even more disturbing is that he still has both his gun and his permit. WTF? n/t teddy51 Mar 2012 #1
Not clear if he has that gun back, but he still has his permit since he has not been charged nor ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #9
As I understood in another Thread, they never took his gun from him! n/t teddy51 Mar 2012 #13
Lots of mixed reports on this and other important details ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #16
No need to test the gun when Zimmerman admits to shooting and killing the victim. Life Long Dem Mar 2012 #24
I would think they would want at least balistics match just to make sure ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #31
Well said and great question! n/t arthritisR_US Mar 2012 #2
that would mean he made a mistake but what i'm saying is he wanted to kill a black kid JI7 Mar 2012 #3
I heard that most of his calls as "neighborhood watchperson" or whatever zbdent Mar 2012 #12
to be clear he said "assholes" not "n*ggers" TorchTheWitch Mar 2012 #14
No, he didn't. He said "these assholes always get away". No need to embelish. uppityperson Mar 2012 #29
And preferably one who was black. NT Devil_Fish Mar 2012 #25
Dunno about Florida, but most of our DU gun owners appear to think he's guilty as hell. TheWraith Mar 2012 #4
Not initially. Many are now that it's clear what happened and that the public is outraged. Hoyt Mar 2012 #7
Some of us believe in reading the law ProgressiveProfessor Mar 2012 #10
No matter how many times you post SYG doesn't apply, it clearly does. They may be mistaken, but Hoyt Mar 2012 #15
Please cite the law.... PavePusher Mar 2012 #41
Everyone but those who carry guns seem convinced SYG applies in some respect, and goes too far. Hoyt Mar 2012 #42
I legally carry in Florida and from the beginning I felt that Zimmerman ... spin Mar 2012 #46
Innocent until proven guilty? Then, I have to ask -- how can you play judge/jury and shoot someone? Hoyt Mar 2012 #48
Easy. A person is attacking me with the intention of severely injuring or killing me ... spin Mar 2012 #50
Yes, and at this point, much more information is available. PavePusher Mar 2012 #47
Except you guys were ready to let it die, so to speak. Hoyt Mar 2012 #49
You are either very confused or lying. PavePusher Mar 2012 #51
He could have used a bat, or his fists, or a knife, or a taser Mojorabbit Mar 2012 #20
Instead, he shot him dead center - meant to kill him. Trial doesn't bring him back. Hoyt Mar 2012 #32
And there is another post on this board Mojorabbit Mar 2012 #43
I'm a gun owner. Honeycombe8 Mar 2012 #11
Make it 5 guitar man Mar 2012 #30
He is a coward who carried a gun to give him a senseof manly worth rustydog Mar 2012 #5
What about female concealed carriers? moriah Mar 2012 #34
Unless you have ever actually fired a weapon COLGATE4 Mar 2012 #35
There are some things I would rather die than have happen to me. My lines. moriah Mar 2012 #36
The frequency of this: PavePusher Mar 2012 #40
I'll accept his point that it's a possible outcome. moriah Mar 2012 #44
There is no problem in allowing someone to carry a gun. Speck Tater Mar 2012 #6
I know, but that wasn't the question JHB Mar 2012 #8
I almost iagree with you. Speck Tater Mar 2012 #23
I won't go so far as to say he was looking to kill a black child GobBluth Mar 2012 #17
Responsible gun owner here. Lizzie Poppet Mar 2012 #18
Here is a forum gvstn Mar 2012 #19
Never. I'll tell you what I've told everyone. caseymoz Mar 2012 #21
Actually when people are prosecuted for justified self defense, something's broken. Pacafishmate Mar 2012 #22
Really? Have you forgotten that nothing's perfect? caseymoz Mar 2012 #33
My (non-Floridian)gun owner thoughts. bluedigger Mar 2012 #26
It should have already happened guitar man Mar 2012 #27
I am not currently a gun owner, but I have had guns in the past. Devil_Fish Mar 2012 #28
I think Zimmerman used poor judgement, got himself into a needless confrontation, and panicked slackmaster Mar 2012 #37
What is happening is inept/corrupt local police and politicians. n/t PavePusher Mar 2012 #38
I think he watched too much Fox and Jack Bauer raouldukelives Mar 2012 #39
I have a Florida Concealed Weapons permit and I carry ... spin Mar 2012 #45
my hubby is a big time gun person. i am anti gun. he is very much into responsibility and supports seabeyond Mar 2012 #52
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