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In reply to the discussion: Posting T&A threads helps to create a hostile environment for women here. [View all]kcr
(15,317 posts)60. Well, I've given it a chance.
And it is clear it isn't working.
And believe me, I'm considering whether I want to keep participating. I've gone to ATA as a last resort, even though I've seen the results of previous attempts. But I've been here since the beginning. I feel sad about it. But at this point, it's like the kid who keeps clinging to a ratty old blannket, but just doesn't want to let go. I'm thinking it's time for me to realize DU isn't for me. It's not the place it once was.
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Posting T&A threads helps to create a hostile environment for women here. [View all]
Warren Stupidity
Feb 2014
OP
So I guess we'll put you in the "DU should be just another boys club. And I'm a progressive"
Squinch
Feb 2014
#9
there is no 'male hormonal urge' to post bikini pics at political discussion board.
geek tragedy
Feb 2014
#28
it's men who think they're martrys for having to respect women's opinions nt
geek tragedy
Feb 2014
#153
Accept what? I'm a heterosexual man, I have a perfectly healthy libido, yet I don't feel the need
nomorenomore08
Feb 2014
#706
Weren't you just defending your presumed right to post such photos over others' objections?
nomorenomore08
Feb 2014
#718
The discussion was about the appropriateness of posting certain images in GD.
nomorenomore08
Feb 2014
#736
Okay. I still don't really see what you were objecting to in the first place, but we'll agree
nomorenomore08
Feb 2014
#746
Well, I'm very attracted to men, but should I make a fool of myself? Hmm.. nt
Sarah Ibarruri
Feb 2014
#496
Well, here's a head-up for ya Aging, if I were looking for a guy to date...
Sarah Ibarruri
Feb 2014
#682
"All they're asking is that you keep that shit to yourself and not make other people uncomfortable."
nomorenomore08
Feb 2014
#707
At least you admit that men have to make themselves attractive to women somehow
treestar
Feb 2014
#621
So your male hormonal urges must be satisfied in a political discussion board by posting
Squinch
Feb 2014
#32
And your initial argument on this thread wasn't a big honkin' strawman in itself???
nomorenomore08
Feb 2014
#709
I've seen you reply mockingly to women when they say that crap is demeaning.
BlancheSplanchnik
Feb 2014
#374
I have never used the "It's the male hormone biological imperative." pseudo-argument
AgingAmerican
Feb 2014
#378
"anyone who disagrees with me is a person who "do not approve of heterosexual relations period."
BlancheSplanchnik
Feb 2014
#409
there is no 'male urge' to post bikini pics on a political discussion board
geek tragedy
Feb 2014
#62
lol Okay, this one made me laugh so hard, I couldn't repress *my* urge to go pee! nt
Sarah Ibarruri
Feb 2014
#504
Degrading men? Asking them to quit the display of ogling and bs is degrading????
Sarah Ibarruri
Feb 2014
#704
Stop being deceptive. No one asked you to wear blinders. We merely asked you to have some respect
Sarah Ibarruri
Feb 2014
#756
Yes repress. People should repress. Can you imagine if we all ran around wearing our hormonal
Ed Suspicious
Feb 2014
#72
asexual because you are being asked not to post T&A shots in a political forum?
VanillaRhapsody
Feb 2014
#591
So are you telling me that you walk around with a boner all day trying to fuck every woman in sight?
cui bono
Feb 2014
#102
You are seriously going to pretend you don't really know what the "Boys Club" is?
VanillaRhapsody
Feb 2014
#592
I didn't think so either....until I started reading things sai on threads since SI Swimsuit came out
VanillaRhapsody
Feb 2014
#596
No it wasn't. Unless you are completely unaware of the objectification of women in society
cui bono
Feb 2014
#655
I disagree with you about the first SI thread if that's the one that announced the cover
cui bono
Feb 2014
#667
Would you object to a gay DUer posting a picture of two men kissing? Some people would, so
Flatulo
Feb 2014
#674
That's not the same thing. It's not just about it bothering someone, it's about a societal problem.
cui bono
Feb 2014
#696
No, I would not display that in the workplace. But there's a tradeoff to be made. Censuring
Flatulo
Feb 2014
#705
The analogy would be if it were posted on a wall and people were standing around audibly ogling it.
cui bono
Feb 2014
#740
But it is the easiest thing in the world to avoid the offending OP. Just don't click on it.
Flatulo
Feb 2014
#747
The internal objectification can't be stopped. Even the nice guys, the HoF allies? They whack
Flatulo
Feb 2014
#750
Your male hormonal urges compell you to be an overbearing ass towards non-males?
Scootaloo
Feb 2014
#315
This is so spot on. I enjoy all sorts of stuff in the privacy of my own home
nomorenomore08
Feb 2014
#713
No, this isn't the place for that. I call it growing up and realizing that objectification
WCLinolVir
Feb 2014
#544
No, you're in the "I don't give a fuck if something offends you, I don't need to act appropriately
cui bono
Feb 2014
#55
50 yo and you think you're a progressive but you still haven't learned how to be considerate
cui bono
Feb 2014
#133
no they didn't. sorry, calling that person a 'man hater' is a big fat lie born of spite.
geek tragedy
Feb 2014
#188
Sure you'll find the odd loon here and there who genuinely hates men. Maybe for semi-valid reasons,
nomorenomore08
Feb 2014
#716
Maybe they've been abused by multiple men in their life, and have a reason to distrust, at least.
nomorenomore08
Feb 2014
#724
I was making the point that the genuine "haters" are a small, probably insignificant fringe.
nomorenomore08
Feb 2014
#728
Maybe I should've chosen my words a bit more carefully. Or more precisely.
nomorenomore08
Feb 2014
#735
Then maybe human relations really are kind of hopeless. I honestly don't know.
nomorenomore08
Feb 2014
#739
I thought Scuba was a woman for a long time & when I told him, he was honored.
CrispyQ
Feb 2014
#490
I have used 'radical man-hating feminists' my entire politically-aware life...
truebrit71
Feb 2014
#241
All one really needs to do is read your posts to get to know you. I'm 50 as well, but I know how to
louslobbs
Feb 2014
#332
And clearly don't understand that text does not convey the paralinguals that denote emotions.
riqster
Feb 2014
#179
Truly, the idea that you are older than your early twenties is stunning to me.
Squinch
Feb 2014
#205
Why do some people constantly do the same things they accuse others of? It's like a pathology...
nomorenomore08
Feb 2014
#719
Is it a "male hormonal urge" to use rightwing talking points like "man hating feminist" nt
geek tragedy
Feb 2014
#87
You need to add to that in a description of your category: "There are things men like
Squinch
Feb 2014
#65
Male or female nudity has nothing to do with it. No one has a problem with male or female
Squinch
Feb 2014
#109
It's got nothing to do with nudity. I'm female and I love to go to nude beaches.
cui bono
Feb 2014
#168
You misunderstand me. I am making fun of the attitude that requires a TV ultrasound.
Squinch
Feb 2014
#395
If it's really about sexual freedom, then where are all the half-naked men?
nomorenomore08
Feb 2014
#721
You sound like a real peach. I'd suggest you tone down the man-hating feminist talk. Your 'R' is
Ed Suspicious
Feb 2014
#79
it's a rightwing trope that the DU community has repeatedly endorsed via jury verdicts.
geek tragedy
Feb 2014
#158
I'm sorry, but where did I suggest anyone have their faces rubbed in anything?
truebrit71
Feb 2014
#160
this is contradictory, as above you said that there are things men like and things women dislike
treestar
Feb 2014
#185
you edited your post at 4:34 to note that a "man hating feminist" you had on ignore
geek tragedy
Feb 2014
#248
PS. By process of elimination, given who you have responded to, that "radical man-hating
Squinch
Feb 2014
#202
I wanted to see who it was in order to verify whether you were correct or not...
truebrit71
Feb 2014
#250
The point is your exact same argument can be applied to that man-hating feminist.
jeff47
Feb 2014
#672
you said the person had responded to your post, now you're saying you didn't see their name at all
geek tragedy
Feb 2014
#277
You said in your post that they responded to you, that's what made you call them
cui bono
Feb 2014
#302
Yeah, that's how conversations work. Many times when someone says something it causes you to have
cui bono
Feb 2014
#288
I'm a HoF regular and I damn near guarantee you there are no "man-hating feminists" there.
NuclearDem
Feb 2014
#498
"one of the man-hating feminists" sure sounds like something a neo-fascist would say nt
Sarah Ibarruri
Feb 2014
#511
Yet he rags on those who read the "Daily Heil" (as he calls it). Oh God, the irony...
nomorenomore08
Feb 2014
#723
I don't know about you, but I'm thinking this dude is not all he claims to be
Sarah Ibarruri
Feb 2014
#757
seabeyond got another vacation for blowing her top in Manny's thread about the Beatles
Electric Monk
Feb 2014
#15
So, she really should learn to make her case without directly insulting people.
Warren Stupidity
Feb 2014
#23
Play within the rules and you can insult people right and left and never get a post hidden
kcr
Feb 2014
#34
Actually having re-read her hidden post, she didn't actually insult anyone.
Warren Stupidity
Feb 2014
#54
I wasn't the alerter or on the jury, so I don't know any more than you about that. nt
Electric Monk
Feb 2014
#50
Seabeyond's posts are often difficult to parse, she does not always express herself clearly
Fumesucker
Feb 2014
#69
The site admins don't care, so why should anyone else? Self-moderating community is a fail. n/t
seaglass
Feb 2014
#12
I don't find that much wrong with DU. Sure, not everyone can be happy 100% of the time...
Sarah Ibarruri
Feb 2014
#513
I had the same thought today about the blue collar republicans, but didn't quite
Squinch
Feb 2014
#38
Yep, and I made the analogy upthread that it's like the Tea Party asshat who took the confederate
cui bono
Feb 2014
#177
I think with some of them it's the same dynamic as that "angry white man" thing, though I'm sure
Squinch
Feb 2014
#44
If DU can't come together here, how can we expect to be a team in the real world! n/t
RKP5637
Feb 2014
#31
that person also is a regular in the Men's Group and has expressed extreme hostility
geek tragedy
Feb 2014
#128
When I taunt men for being limp-dicks and impotent, the comparison will be valid
geek tragedy
Feb 2014
#216
also note that one of our resident manly-men just called me a "man-hating feminist" nt
geek tragedy
Feb 2014
#235
The important point is that women are far more likely than men to be seriously injured or killed.
nomorenomore08
Feb 2014
#730
You are not telling the truth. You learned the truth yesterday, yet are sticking with your story.
lumberjack_jeff
Feb 2014
#324
And on the other side some women evidently are jealous of very attractive women
Fumesucker
Feb 2014
#106
point of clarification-- the arch-radical-militant feminists with whom I'm acquainted
geek tragedy
Feb 2014
#113
modeling usually isn't about being attractive, there are many attractive women in the world
JI7
Feb 2014
#144
You might think that but in my experience that's not quite the way it works
Fumesucker
Feb 2014
#271
If your beautiful granddaughter (and I believe when you say that she is very beautiful)
Squinch
Feb 2014
#276
But the point is, this is what is marketed to women, especially young women, from all sides,
Squinch
Feb 2014
#402
No. Really, my real problem is with the unending, ubiquitous cultural messages we
Squinch
Feb 2014
#436
No. It's an underlying cultural belief, held over from the time when it was literally true,
Squinch
Feb 2014
#442
I don't think you're trying to imply that women never "ogle" attractive members of the opposite sex
Fumesucker
Feb 2014
#360
I can give you anecdotal evidence of a lot of things that are not societal problems.
cui bono
Feb 2014
#648
And what part of anyone's masturbatory imagery belongs on this message board?
PassingFair
Feb 2014
#533
You do realize that the first SI thread was posted by an apparently straight woman, yes?
Fumesucker
Feb 2014
#542
I honestly do think the men who are in favor of T & A posts are right wing
Sarah Ibarruri
Feb 2014
#518
Discussing the discussion has been explicitly allowed by the admins as within the GD SOP.
Warren Stupidity
Feb 2014
#64
We may then safely presume your concern about appropriate placement for threads was just as pronounc
LanternWaste
Feb 2014
#118
Well, yes. May I eat that nit on your head, or has someone else already asked for it?
Squinch
Feb 2014
#301
There's an ongoing pattern of behavior that they've been made aware of, going back months now.
Starry Messenger
Feb 2014
#151
A bunch of DU feminists take long breaks from this place, I probably should too.
Starry Messenger
Feb 2014
#139
Well, he's saying that, and that the post was OK because it would put those women
Squinch
Feb 2014
#471
The difference being, one side has the well earned, long time reputation of starting it,
RC
Feb 2014
#612
Ah, yes.. You stayed out.. but you just couldn't help alert on the original SI thread no?
opiate69
Feb 2014
#725
SKINNER LOCKED THE THREAD. Now people should know how he feels about those kind of threads.
hrmjustin
Feb 2014
#132
He just made clear in the host room that the thread that he just locked are not appropriate in GD.
hrmjustin
Feb 2014
#175
What bothers me about those types of posts are some people think that the Ops are martyrs
hrmjustin
Feb 2014
#187
Well there were different opinions and some felt it was more likely a jury issue.
hrmjustin
Feb 2014
#227
As I said here, he made clear in the hosts forum that he did not want to open the
hrmjustin
Feb 2014
#406
No he didn't and I wish he did but he told us this in the host forum. I hope he addresses this in
hrmjustin
Feb 2014
#547
And there it is. Simple as can be. But people insist on reading in things that were never said... nt
nomorenomore08
Feb 2014
#741
It's not as if there aren't a few other places on the internet to see bewbz.
Chorophyll
Feb 2014
#283
O.K., got it. Kinda out of context for a political forum! When PA isn't Penn. anymore and
Coyotl
Feb 2014
#317
the internet is a vast shithole of male privilege, perhaps a supposedly progressive discussion board
Warren Stupidity
Feb 2014
#342
I didn't realize until this thread that Kate Upton had gone into outer space
LittleBlue
Feb 2014
#338
Actually she flew in that plane that dives at an angle making you free-fall like youre weightless.
7962
Feb 2014
#661
this is one of the best threads I've ever seen on the subject. Thank You Warren Stupidity
BlancheSplanchnik
Feb 2014
#356
And a pretty good job of explaining why, if you wouldn't display it in your office at work,
Squinch
Feb 2014
#427
this is one of the best, most human posts I have read on this site in quite a while
Kali
Feb 2014
#560
I don't think they are progressive, though. There are right wingers in DU, you know
Sarah Ibarruri
Feb 2014
#521
Yes they have, and unfortunately some of us still think they're really libs...
Sarah Ibarruri
Feb 2014
#528
Just curious, I got here late. How did this all start? Who posted the first Kate Upton OP?
stevenleser
Feb 2014
#532
I'm not sure, but I believe it was some right wing fool who signed onto DU under the name "Big Dog"
Sarah Ibarruri
Feb 2014
#546
I agree. There is so much crap put up here that has nothing but a an ogle factor connected to it.
marble falls
Feb 2014
#613
You know, I've got 3 calendars on the google: one for fun, one for work,
Warren DeMontague
Feb 2014
#703
They also attempt to police the tone of discussions that make them uncomfortable.
nomorenomore08
Feb 2014
#748
If America wasn't so uptight about nudity and the body, we wouldn't be obsessed about it
liberal N proud
Feb 2014
#752
Nudity is a red herring. We are awash in hypersexualized images of girls and women.
redqueen
Feb 2014
#761