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276. so just show us the govts tape where steel frame buildings

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Wed Feb 12, 2014, 07:26 PM

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are burnt up and then collapse...ya know where they recreate the experiment and get the same results...

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What REALLY happened to the plane that didn't hit the Pentagon on 9/11 [View all] HarveyDarkey Feb 2014 OP

I KNEW it!!!1 arcane1 Feb 2014 #1

Cheney and the Saudis Are Innocent billhicks76 Feb 2014 #41

. REP Feb 2014 #58

*snort* Raine1967 Feb 2014 #78

Or, it was a cute joke that makes fun of everyone. arcane1 Feb 2014 #85

just a big bowl of crazy. nt arely staircase Feb 2014 #2

I knew it! Bennyboy Feb 2014 #3

Good one. n/t GP6971 Feb 2014 #4

... DonViejo Feb 2014 #5

Seems reasonable... IDemo Feb 2014 #6

Totally. A HERETIC I AM Feb 2014 #49

Just wait.. there'll be someone on DU wanting funding to go to a conference to get the truth ;) n/t X_Digger Feb 2014 #7

I'm thinking of who you're thinking of... SidDithers Feb 2014 #13

hey Sid, feel like goin fishin? dionysus Feb 2014 #21

We could also go surfing AnalystInParadise Feb 2014 #215

Sid, please help send me to this conference. zappaman Feb 2014 #98

Only if you promise to take lots of pictures like this... SidDithers Feb 2014 #102

why must you defend the BFEE so much? dionysus Feb 2014 #219

Looked up BFEE fadedrose Feb 2014 #260

bahahahahha!!! Pretzel_Warrior Feb 2014 #27

Pathetic billhicks76 Feb 2014 #42

It's not questioning the official story that's laughed at - it's the absurd conspiracy theories. chrisa Feb 2014 #46

Exactly billhicks76 Feb 2014 #53

Oh. My. kwassa Feb 2014 #199

Paragraphs are your friends. GoneOffShore Feb 2014 #218

It's easy to lump in legitimate questioning of "official stories" in with crazy assed ideas and rhett o rick Feb 2014 #269

Thank You billhicks76 Feb 2014 #280

FISH ON! Grab a gaff hook, I don't think I can pull this one in myself! n/t X_Digger Feb 2014 #48

Keep On Digging billhicks76 Feb 2014 #54

We're gonna need more! NuclearDem Feb 2014 #67

LOL! Good one! nt Logical Feb 2014 #50

Lol billhicks76 Feb 2014 #55

Have some more Kool-aid fadedrose Feb 2014 #87

paragraphs.. learn how to use them. nt dionysus Feb 2014 #217

I'm with you. I love paragraphs fadedrose Feb 2014 #256

I love reason billhicks76 Feb 2014 #290

We have democracy and the vote fadedrose Feb 2014 #314

Thanks billhicks76 Feb 2014 #282

LOL, so true! nt Logical Feb 2014 #51

Nothing funny about mocking people interested in learning and sharing the Truth. Octafish Feb 2014 #82

Huh AnalystInParadise Feb 2014 #216

If you want a democracy that immediately devolves into mob rule, that's all you need. Octafish Feb 2014 #241

Fanned and Faved billhicks76 Feb 2014 #284

No better than sock puppets billhicks76 Feb 2014 #283

Bullying behavior sucks. It sucks even worse on a progressive message board. ScreamingMeemie Feb 2014 #105

Progressives are supposed to be champions of science and reason. NuclearDem Feb 2014 #109

It's never justified to treat someone else like shit because one disagrees with them on a ScreamingMeemie Feb 2014 #110

The crap being peddled by CT and woo pushers does real damage to noble causes. NuclearDem Feb 2014 #112

It helps that there are lots of pictures of this plane flying towards the center of the US solarhydrocan Feb 2014 #166

You might want to cite some of those claims. NuclearDem Feb 2014 #167

That reasoning sounds familiar... SidDithers Feb 2014 #170

!!! zappaman Feb 2014 #172

If there was a photo you'd declare it fabricated, just like all the other evidence. WatermelonRat Feb 2014 #178

more nonsense! n/t wildbilln864 Feb 2014 #182

Baseless Personal Attack billhicks76 Feb 2014 #288

The evidence has been presented ad nauseum. NuclearDem Feb 2014 #291

You implied it billhicks76 Feb 2014 #295

You want proof that a plane hit the Pentagon? WatermelonRat Feb 2014 #317

Why no security videos? billhicks76 Feb 2014 #287

I could say the same about you billhicks76 Feb 2014 #286

Oh, what a bunch of crap. NuclearDem Feb 2014 #289

Sorry billhicks76 Feb 2014 #293

Aaaaaaand the persecution complex again. NuclearDem Feb 2014 #296

Right back out you billhicks76 Feb 2014 #299

Hahahahahahaha NuclearDem Feb 2014 #300

Relax billhicks76 Feb 2014 #302

I agree billhicks76 Feb 2014 #285

I have neighbor who truly believes all that madokie Feb 2014 #8

Worse, we have a RELATIVE who listens to Alex Jones and believes this crap. anneboleyn Feb 2014 #45

Can I buy some pot from him? Initech Feb 2014 #9

Lessee... ElboRuum Feb 2014 #10

I was trying to figure out which ones he missed HarveyDarkey Feb 2014 #18

You forgot about shredding and grinding up the evidence into the Marie Marie Feb 2014 #19

Where he said "Obama" he should have said "the Kenya-born Obama" (n/t) Jim Lane Feb 2014 #62

Bigfoot is the one who runs the teleportation device. hunter Feb 2014 #24

Damn! I thought sure it was Yeti....! Why didn't I get that secret memo lastlib Feb 2014 #32

Well, Bigfoot, Yeti, and Nessie all discussed this at the latest Bildeberg meeting. NuclearDem Feb 2014 #33

Flight 800 was shot down to prevent a leak about the moon landing being fake....... lastlib Feb 2014 #66

You hit the nail on the head SummerSnow Feb 2014 #11

Someone will be along in a little while to agree with all that... SidDithers Feb 2014 #12

Still defending the BFEE, Sid Dithers? zappaman Feb 2014 #38

'Trolling is a art.' -- siddithers to zappaman Octafish Feb 2014 #175

You better believe it, dude! zappaman Feb 2014 #176

Yeah. The Dude who said BFEE weren't NAZI. Octafish Feb 2014 #195

LOL! zappaman Feb 2014 #226

... SidDithers Feb 2014 #198

You never have shown where I was wrong about the BFEE, SidDithers. Octafish Feb 2014 #206

Here's an interesting study I read about earlier today: "Online Trolls are Everyday Sadists" Electric Monk Feb 2014 #220

But ... Benghazi!!11! lpbk2713 Feb 2014 #14

But what does this have to do with Pitbulls at the Olive Garden? Rex Feb 2014 #15

Wow, did Ed Power miss any of them? hatrack Feb 2014 #16

Bullshit. TheMathieu Feb 2014 #17

Now you are revealing plan omega nadinbrzezinski Feb 2014 #26

Uh-oh, it's Nye Bevan Feb 2014 #20

That's my reoccurring dream; I fall asleep listening to that wacky Coast to Coast Brother Buzz Feb 2014 #22

There still wasn't a thorough investigation of 9/11 anti partisan Feb 2014 #23

You just blew my mind. REP Feb 2014 #25

+1 TexasTowelie Feb 2014 #312

I knew it was Because, Obama. Knew it! nt msanthrope Feb 2014 #28

I think Fukushima had something to do with it too. NuclearDem Feb 2014 #29

Oh yeah? reusrename Feb 2014 #30

Sweet! Solly Mack Feb 2014 #31

D'oh!! 2naSalit Feb 2014 #34

Lizard Alien Overlords = band name iwillalwayswonderwhy Feb 2014 #35

well, duh spanone Feb 2014 #36

No crop circles? zappaman Feb 2014 #37

Wait, you had me except for the part where the government is taking over the government. eggplant Feb 2014 #39

LOL fadedrose Feb 2014 #104

The truth is out there. Really, really out there. marble falls Feb 2014 #40

And that's only the first 5 minutes of the Alex Jones Show. Grassy Knoll Feb 2014 #43

Nice job of blending every crazy thing you can think of. zeemike Feb 2014 #44

+ infinity CrawlingChaos Feb 2014 #56

Absolutely Art_from_Ark Feb 2014 #59

questioning Official Truth (as from minitrue) is illegal BelgianMadCow Feb 2014 #75

Question the narrative all you want. NuclearDem Feb 2014 #84

Thank you. I'm in good company BelgianMadCow Feb 2014 #96

I had the same nightmare too !!!!! alittlelark Feb 2014 #47

I'm just so glad I clicked on this thread. n/t TygrBright Feb 2014 #52

OK NOW it makes sense KinMd Feb 2014 #57

This OP is disgusting SecularMotion Feb 2014 #60

By "alternative", do you mean disassociated from reality Dr Hobbitstein Feb 2014 #70

Are you a true believer? SecularMotion Feb 2014 #76

Da fuq? Dr Hobbitstein Feb 2014 #77

Are you a true believer of the official story? SecularMotion Feb 2014 #79

True believer is a phrase reserved for religious bullshit... Dr Hobbitstein Feb 2014 #80

Are you a true believer of the official story? SecularMotion Feb 2014 #81

Quit with the true believer bullshit Dr Hobbitstein Feb 2014 #83

Why are you avoiding the question? SecularMotion Feb 2014 #88

The question is largely moot. Chan790 Feb 2014 #107

Can you answer the question? SecularMotion Feb 2014 #113

Not particularly. Chan790 Feb 2014 #130

I answered your question... Dr Hobbitstein Feb 2014 #114

True believers of the official 9/11 story are a fringe group SecularMotion Feb 2014 #108

Well, since we're posting from non-academic sources... Dr Hobbitstein Feb 2014 #116

You still haven't answered the question. SecularMotion Feb 2014 #122

I've answered it at least 3 times now. Dr Hobbitstein Feb 2014 #123

You haven't answered and now you're just being evasive SecularMotion Feb 2014 #124

Fucking Christ! Dr Hobbitstein Feb 2014 #125

Yes or No SecularMotion Feb 2014 #127

That's not a yes or no question. NuclearDem Feb 2014 #128

Does it bother you that the Bush administration is the source of the official story? SecularMotion Feb 2014 #133

Stop that. NuclearDem Feb 2014 #137

The hijacking of 4 aircraft and subsequent crashes are just a part of the official 9/11 story. SecularMotion Feb 2014 #139

That people aren't satisfied with it doesn't mean shit. NuclearDem Feb 2014 #148

The majority have read the same facts and evidence. SecularMotion Feb 2014 #149

Again with the appeal to popularity. NuclearDem Feb 2014 #155

You keep running back to "conspiracy theories" SecularMotion Feb 2014 #157

So now for the Gish Gallop. NuclearDem Feb 2014 #160

The video is almost 90 minutes long SecularMotion Feb 2014 #168

Exactly, it's 90 minutes long. NuclearDem Feb 2014 #171

If you haven't seen it or can't be bothered SecularMotion Feb 2014 #173

It's about the 911 Victim's Families who pushed for the 911 Commission to be formed. CJCRANE Feb 2014 #266

The question has been answered. Either you don't speak English or... Dr Hobbitstein Feb 2014 #129

You can only resort to insults and accusing me of trolling. SecularMotion Feb 2014 #134

Were you not trolling me? Dr Hobbitstein Feb 2014 #138

The trolls on this board are the ones who are trying to suppress any discussion of 9/11. SecularMotion Feb 2014 #143

Look, man... Dr Hobbitstein Feb 2014 #151

The majority have read the same facts and evidence. SecularMotion Feb 2014 #156

Pardon me for intruding here, but.. X_Digger Feb 2014 #184

Do you support Universal Background Checks? SecularMotion Feb 2014 #185

Do you support tinkerbell? X_Digger Feb 2014 #186

Apples and oranges. NuclearDem Feb 2014 #187

I see you've only been a member of DU since 2007. AZCat Feb 2014 #233

I've been following DU since 2003 SecularMotion Feb 2014 #242

I think I love you... dorkzilla Feb 2014 #204

I'm quite obsessive... Dr Hobbitstein Feb 2014 #205

I admire that quality... dorkzilla Feb 2014 #209

My last drummer was a CT devotee... Dr Hobbitstein Feb 2014 #210

good luck with the album! dorkzilla Feb 2014 #211

Oh yeah... Dr Hobbitstein Feb 2014 #213

I agree fadedrose Feb 2014 #106

Yeah, the guy in the OP is so far from reality he's having tea with The Hatter. Vashta Nerada Feb 2014 #72

But look! The thread gave you the opportunity to post 9/11 Woo in GD!... SidDithers Feb 2014 #89

Another true believer SecularMotion Feb 2014 #97

are you a true believer in the truth of the truthy? snooper2 Feb 2014 #165

what is the point of this op? PowerToThePeople Feb 2014 #61

You work for the government no doubt . . . fadedrose Feb 2014 #86

Why is it there is no video of the crash? B Calm Feb 2014 #63

You mean like this? Dr Hobbitstein Feb 2014 #73

I can't make out a plane. You sure that's B Calm Feb 2014 #91

lol cbdo2007 Feb 2014 #92

You got a still picture of it just before it hits? B Calm Feb 2014 #93

It's traveling at 500MPH Dr Hobbitstein Feb 2014 #99

Lear Jet? B Calm Feb 2014 #117

Boeing 757. Dr Hobbitstein Feb 2014 #121

You realize that there were hundreds of people that saw the crash? hack89 Feb 2014 #135

no there are not! eom. wildbilln864 Feb 2014 #142

So what did all those people see? nt hack89 Feb 2014 #144

please link us to those "hundreds". wildbilln864 Feb 2014 #147

This takes me back to the good old days hack89 Feb 2014 #150

so you can't? thought as much. n/t wildbilln864 Feb 2014 #152

Just posted them. nt hack89 Feb 2014 #154

Here you go hack89 Feb 2014 #153

the first one..." Air Force Lt. Col. Marc Abshire, 40..." nope! wildbilln864 Feb 2014 #158

What about all the people that describe an airliner hitting the Pentagon? hack89 Feb 2014 #159

Iam not ignoring, I was going to count because you said hundreds. wildbilln864 Feb 2014 #161

ok nt hack89 Feb 2014 #163

and I don't believe you should count the same persons listed several times. nt wildbilln864 Feb 2014 #162

If you can't see the plane in that video, I recommend seeing an ophthalmologist immediately. Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #180

how about this..if you're using a computer with mspaint... wildbilln864 Feb 2014 #188

Believe it or not (you probably won't) people did this years ago... Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #190

yes that same video is in the new video.... wildbilln864 Feb 2014 #196

The entire aircraft is shown in the second video. Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #197

you see a plane here? wildbilln864 Feb 2014 #200

Yes. The nose of the plane is well lit, appearing lighter. The blue stripe follows aft. Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #208

not particularly crisp? wildbilln864 Feb 2014 #212

Check your colors. Your drawing of the tail is not accurate. Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #214

the dunning kruger is strong but... wildbilln864 Feb 2014 #221

The video says there is no plane on the security footage. There clearly is one. Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #222

"I'm not here to have my mind changed on the subject." wildbilln864 Feb 2014 #224

I wish for the day that the federal government releases all the videos. Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #225

Maybe there was a plane but many say there was not.... wildbilln864 Feb 2014 #228

Take my advice. Read the link I posted before posting anything else. Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #229

More goddamn PRATT. NuclearDem Feb 2014 #240

blah blah blah wildbilln864 Feb 2014 #243

That's about the level of reply I expected from you. NuclearDem Feb 2014 #245

nobody gives two fucks what you expect... wildbilln864 Feb 2014 #246

Because that's all truther trolls deserve at this point. NuclearDem Feb 2014 #248

so you have to resort to name calling huh! wildbilln864 Feb 2014 #249

Just calling you folks for what you are. NuclearDem Feb 2014 #250

obviously lots of things you have no idea for! n/t wildbilln864 Feb 2014 #251

Coming from someone who believes in false flag ops NuclearDem Feb 2014 #253

you're saying FFOs don't happen? wildbilln864 Feb 2014 #254

No, just your idea of them. NuclearDem Feb 2014 #257

fine then. You think it so must be true. wildbilln864 Feb 2014 #258

Nothing to suggest it was carried out by anything other than al-Qaeda. NuclearDem Feb 2014 #259

right... wildbilln864 Feb 2014 #261

The US government did not carry out the 9/11 attacks. NuclearDem Feb 2014 #262

never said... wildbilln864 Feb 2014 #263

You called it a false flag, and then say you don't believe it was carried out by the government? NuclearDem Feb 2014 #265

I believe it was FFO in that the ... wildbilln864 Feb 2014 #267

so just show us the govts tape where steel frame buildings questionseverything Feb 2014 #276

The NIST simulated the fires and collapses and explains them in their reports. Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #305

wrong! n/t wildbilln864 Feb 2014 #306

Have you read the report? Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #309

"the report" wildbilln864 Feb 2014 #310

You may find this surprising but I have a working knowledge of basic physics. Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #320

conservation of momentum! n/t wildbilln864 Feb 2014 #323

You are literally repeating a term without defining its relation to the NIST report. Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #326

I gave you a link! study it! wildbilln864 Feb 2014 #328

I counter your elementary understanding of energy and movement... Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #330

you are a prize indeed! wildbilln864 Feb 2014 #332

You know, there's another interesting aspect to cascade failure that's relevant. Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #333

might you show me... wildbilln864 Feb 2014 #334

Fukushima is another example of a cascade failure. Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #335

wow wildbilln864 Feb 2014 #336

I take the time to explain important, relevant information... Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #337

yes... wildbilln864 Feb 2014 #324

not what i asked for questionseverything Feb 2014 #318

Why would they need to build a scale model if they have more accurate computer models? Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #321

we get that you think the computer model is accurate questionseverything Feb 2014 #322

"others do not agree" - Luddites don't agree. The NIST has released data from the simulations. Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #325

Truthfully, I have 20 20 vision. I bet you wear glasses, B Calm Feb 2014 #247

It is to laugh reddread Feb 2014 #64

These people are dangerous gerogie2 Feb 2014 #65

Conspiracy theorism goes hand-in-hand with violent extremism. WatermelonRat Feb 2014 #183

yes as much as eating food does! nt wildbilln864 Feb 2014 #194

"Smirk. Thanks for the obfuscationary snarkage, Harv. Tee hee. Smirk." - xCommander AWOL Bush (R) Berlum Feb 2014 #68

I've got ex-friends on Facebook who would believe all of that. (nt) Paladin Feb 2014 #69

This message was self-deleted by its author Recursion Feb 2014 #71

Makes as much sense as the Barbara Olson's impossible phone call. WinkyDink Feb 2014 #74

The video: "September 11--The New Pearl Harbor" proves the call wildbilln864 Feb 2014 #191

That's because Barbara Olson is still alive!!! zappaman Feb 2014 #193

Try this site: WinkyDink Feb 2014 #272

And Teddy's details changed over time. WinkyDink Feb 2014 #271

Goddamn lizard nen sakabatou Feb 2014 #90

Bat Boy? Is that you? lapislzi Feb 2014 #94

I had never heard what they found from that black box. B Calm Feb 2014 #95

It showed a plane hitting the Pentagon hack89 Feb 2014 #100

LOL B Calm Feb 2014 #115

You realize there were hundreds of eye witnesses that saw the crash? hack89 Feb 2014 #119

They found parts of the aircraft inside the crash site. Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #181

What nonsense Tom Rinaldo Feb 2014 #101

It landed in Saudi Arabia on Sept 12. With half the royal family on board. Smarmie Doofus Feb 2014 #103

let's not forget how Militant Atheists are Using Chemtrails to Poison the Angels in Heaven Douglas Carpenter Feb 2014 #111

Glad you didn't put this in LBN, because this is common knowledge... joeybee12 Feb 2014 #118

Plus the government is spying on all electronic communication of the people. Skip Intro Feb 2014 #120

I thought this was common knowledge. sagat Feb 2014 #126

That's ridiculous... Boom Sound 416 Feb 2014 #131

No-planers... Dumb as rocks Ohio Joe Feb 2014 #132

If you watch this... wildbilln864 Feb 2014 #136

Almost 5 hours long? No one can focus that long and I'm not going to invest my time on it. Boomerproud Feb 2014 #169

no one can focus that long? wildbilln864 Feb 2014 #179

This thread needs some Judy Wood... SidDithers Feb 2014 #140

nonsense! n/t wildbilln864 Feb 2014 #145

It is always warming to see that the spirits of Robert Shea... malthaussen Feb 2014 #141

finally!!! the Universal Theory of Everything lives!!!!! dixiegrrrrl Feb 2014 #146

narwhals! fuck yeah! mike_c Feb 2014 #164

It's the only logical explanation pokerfan Feb 2014 #174

Blown the fuck out of the sky by US military Tom Ripley Feb 2014 #177

This thread needs some Tracy Blevins. Manifestor_of_Light Feb 2014 #189

Just because a tall building can burn for a week and not fall down does not mean it will always. Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #201

[Citation Needed] NuclearDem Feb 2014 #203

Here. Manifestor_of_Light Feb 2014 #227

Just because we don't know does not mean it exists. Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #230

Historical example: Manifestor_of_Light Feb 2014 #270

Totally irrelevant example. We found out about the atomic bomb the day they dropped. Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #274

Remember the B-1 bomber? Manifestor_of_Light Feb 2014 #277

A stealth bomber flying out over the desert... NuclearDem Feb 2014 #281

You missed the point. Manifestor_of_Light Feb 2014 #292

Why? Because this isn't a James Bond film. Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #294

Robots. People who love Big Brother and know the government never lies. Manifestor_of_Light Feb 2014 #298

Oddly enough, it's just the opposite. Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #301

"I see the NIST reports as the culmination of in depth analysis by skilled experts." Do you now? wildbilln864 Feb 2014 #307

I do know. Although you're all wrong. Even that video is wrong. Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #308

you mean like this? wildbilln864 Feb 2014 #311

I refute your minimal evidence with a semi-thorough analysis. Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #319

and there's this... wildbilln864 Feb 2014 #313

It's not my responsibility to prove a negative. NuclearDem Feb 2014 #239

I wish I knew who gave me a star MFM008 Feb 2014 #192

these fools especially need to shut up reddread Feb 2014 #202

They spent over 3 times as much money trying to smear Bill Clinton than the 9/11 GoneFishin Feb 2014 #207

Except there is a perfectly reasonable explanation of the building 7 collapse. Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #223

By NIST? solarhydrocan Feb 2014 #231

Incoherent, moronic babble. That's what that video constitutes. Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #232

actually that video's fairly accurate! wildbilln864 Feb 2014 #234

Finally did? It's in their report. The building fell for several seconds at free fall. Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #235

That's bullshit! watch the videos ... wildbilln864 Feb 2014 #236

That doesn't jive with the NIST report. Collapse took 40% longer than total free fall. Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #237

Well that says it all. You presume nothing is afoot, then use circular logic from there. GoneFishin Feb 2014 #252

the authoritarianism is strong with that group IMHOOC. n/t wildbilln864 Feb 2014 #255

WTC 7 did not collapse like the towers. Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #264

The NIST report is flawed solarhydrocan Feb 2014 #273

I'm not going to sit you down on my lap and read the NIST report to you. Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #275

Why can't you answer the question? zappaman Feb 2014 #278

You've demonstrated a level of ignorance to basic industrial design not often seen. Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #297

I didn't ask you to sit me down on your lap and read me the NIST report solarhydrocan Feb 2014 #303

Why am I testy? Because people think it's a legitimate comparison... Gravitycollapse Feb 2014 #304

Good. Winnow out the chaff. johnnyreb Feb 2014 #238

not going to happen IMO wildbilln864 Feb 2014 #244

and George W Bush won the election, right? B Calm Feb 2014 #268

Nader stole it for him reddread Feb 2014 #279

Is that your tin foil hat talking? B Calm Feb 2014 #315

might be reddread Feb 2014 #316

The Supreme Court gave him the presidency for Christmas Rosa Luxemburg Feb 2014 #329

Bush and Cheney were asleep at the wheel Rosa Luxemburg Feb 2014 #327

+1 BitSin Feb 2014 #331