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In reply to the discussion: Did you hear Crystal Ball's rant on the Cycle asking Hillary not to run? [View all]VanillaRhapsody
(21,115 posts)309. tell that to Nate Silver...
He sees the dots and connects them
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Did you hear Crystal Ball's rant on the Cycle asking Hillary not to run? [View all]
mfcorey1
Feb 2014
OP
As I recall, Obama's campaign made themselves look like they were primarilyl
JDPriestly
Feb 2014
#490
Hillary will win and you and I will continue to lose as corporations are given more power.
JRLeft
Feb 2014
#27
Unless of course the truth be told that Hillary Clinton is to the Left of President Obama...
VanillaRhapsody
Feb 2014
#32
I'm not getting that graph. Which does the red dot represent? Social or economic issues? n/t
cui bono
Feb 2014
#101
I get the left and right, that's obvious. I asked what the red dot represents. I can't figure out
cui bono
Feb 2014
#112
It may be accurate for Paul, but it most definitely is not for Obama and Clinton.
cui bono
Feb 2014
#117
Yes it is.....denial is not a river in Egypt and Americans are not as "lefty" as those on DU...
VanillaRhapsody
Feb 2014
#119
No it's not. What is so left about TPP, cutting SS, spying on American citizens, drone strikes
cui bono
Feb 2014
#121
I am not talking about my view, I am talking about the view of the person who made that graph
Bjorn Against
Feb 2014
#135
How is the top/bottom range calculated? This isn't the traditional measurement for these graphs
cascadiance
Feb 2014
#386
It is NOT the same graph! Where is the point in the repeated graph where one end is AUTHORITARIAN
cascadiance
Feb 2014
#501
A populist-liberal whose financial support comes from Goldman Sachs and Walmart?
JDPriestly
Feb 2014
#336
there are more than issues than those that makes a person "left" sorry....
VanillaRhapsody
Feb 2014
#134
Why can't you just answer the question? Why can't you provide a list of left things he has done?
cui bono
Feb 2014
#136
No you are not using FACTS....you are using YOUR opinion...there IS a difference.
VanillaRhapsody
Feb 2014
#166
That chart would absurdly suggest Rand Paul is closer to a moderate than Hillary is
Bjorn Against
Feb 2014
#125
Then why does the graph put Rand Paul closer to the center than it does Hillary?
Bjorn Against
Feb 2014
#132
Why does it matter? I think this chart is totally meaningless no matter who it represents
Bjorn Against
Feb 2014
#159
No. Quotes and speeches are not facts when it comes to representing a politician's stance.
cui bono
Feb 2014
#174
I KNOW! You do understand that when they use speeches in addition to votes it skews things,
cui bono
Feb 2014
#176
If they think that you should consider a politician's empty promises when determining where they
cui bono
Feb 2014
#186
I have no idea what yours are....go take the test...its available there...
VanillaRhapsody
Feb 2014
#205
Holy crap looking at those questions makes the chart look even more stupid
Bjorn Against
Feb 2014
#213
Only stupid to someone that denies Political Science is real science....
VanillaRhapsody
Feb 2014
#226
There is NO place for authoritarianism in this graph, that older graphs measured.
cascadiance
Feb 2014
#391
And THAT is why your graph is meaningless, especially the top and bottom "measurement"...
cascadiance
Feb 2014
#402
It moves the needle the needle a tick or two...doesn't change the fact that he is a
VanillaRhapsody
Feb 2014
#192
That's not all they use. You are being purposely ingenuous or you are incredibly stupid.
cui bono
Feb 2014
#414
YES all they use....quotes hold up in a court of law as direct EVIDENCE!
VanillaRhapsody
Feb 2014
#419
NO I havent....you are trying to prove some bullshit about quotes not being FACTS
VanillaRhapsody
Feb 2014
#422
My post about how to read the graph was not a reply to your post - it was to someone else.
whopis01
Feb 2014
#471
So what? THOSE are evidence too....would they NOT be used in a court of law?
VanillaRhapsody
Feb 2014
#413
omg... seriously? Wow. You are so far gone it's mind boggling. Words are facts???
cui bono
Feb 2014
#418
Yeah serious.....Yes YOUR words CAN be used against you in a court of LAW
VanillaRhapsody
Feb 2014
#420
We aren't discussing criteria used to pick who to vote for, we are discussing the illegitimacy
cui bono
Feb 2014
#441
That is not evidence of their track record since they include quotes which mean nothing
cui bono
Feb 2014
#165
They certainly don't call it peer review, they don't even call it science
Bjorn Against
Feb 2014
#218
And I often look at more than 25 issues when making a personal opinion on a candidate
Bjorn Against
Feb 2014
#257
Well I guess you could say I look at more than 25 categories of issues as well
Bjorn Against
Feb 2014
#260
If you tried presenting your arguments in this thread as a thesis you would get a big fat F
Bjorn Against
Feb 2014
#267
I am not using OPINION .....I have data Apparently YOU don't know what hearsay is...
VanillaRhapsody
Feb 2014
#426
they're ALL right there for you to see for yourself...why do I need to repeat any of them
VanillaRhapsody
Feb 2014
#433
Oh yes there are...look at the page...above the graph...it shows the metrics right there...
VanillaRhapsody
Feb 2014
#485
and this disproves my graph how? As I said...if YOU think you can run today WITHOUT
VanillaRhapsody
Feb 2014
#459
bullshit...she may not be as far left on economic issues as you would like....but its bullshit
VanillaRhapsody
Feb 2014
#491
i'm using the issue that I believe will be uppermost in people's minds in 2016.
JDPriestly
Feb 2014
#493
What I am saying is that I think that voters who go to the polls in 2016 will go
JDPriestly
Feb 2014
#502
NO its not based on opinions....its based on the answers the candidates have in each
VanillaRhapsody
Feb 2014
#505
But what I am trying to explain is that the questions themselves reveal a bias,
JDPriestly
Feb 2014
#509
That chart is the very definition of 'emptiness'. Jeez... what a pretty picture!
delrem
Feb 2014
#233
How many of those people were you familiar with before you copied and pasted their names?
Bjorn Against
Feb 2014
#292
Do you not consider them experts...they have been doing this since 2000....
VanillaRhapsody
Feb 2014
#293
As I said repeatedly I get my info from those same sources, I use objective fadts to form my opinion
Bjorn Against
Feb 2014
#298
BUT you are not compiling them and using algorithms to come to your conclusions...
VanillaRhapsody
Feb 2014
#300
Nate Silver did not make these graphs, his methodology is very different
Bjorn Against
Feb 2014
#358
You obviously don't understand the difference between polling data and political ideology
Bjorn Against
Feb 2014
#462
Its not about polling....its about SCIENCE....and whether it is science..
VanillaRhapsody
Feb 2014
#463
When totally desperate.....find a way to compare them to George w. Bush!
VanillaRhapsody
Feb 2014
#498
Words from speeches and press releases are not objective facts when it comes to determining where
cui bono
Feb 2014
#308
Why can't you understand that when you mix in non-facts like speeches and campaign websites
cui bono
Feb 2014
#313
No I won't.....I haven't convinced you because you refuse to accept the facts laid before you...
VanillaRhapsody
Feb 2014
#317
I am sure Nate Silver would agree there is nothing to be found in dots...
VanillaRhapsody
Feb 2014
#311
Now there's the correct chart...can easily be verified by the facts AND through simple observation.
NorthCarolina
Feb 2014
#378
LOL...photoshop much? No thinking person would buy what those charts purportedly represent.
NorthCarolina
Feb 2014
#362
they signed it and all agreed to "encourage" (that word you were looking for remember)
VanillaRhapsody
Feb 2014
#211
Yeah well when she becomes President after Hillary I am sure you will see....
VanillaRhapsody
Feb 2014
#197
You don't have to agree with it...but NO one yet has had more credible evidence that she isn't
VanillaRhapsody
Feb 2014
#528
It's time we talk about economic justice. That has been a taboo topic since Reagan.
JDPriestly
May 2014
#531
Clinton-Sachs may be progressive on social issues, but she is not the one to
rhett o rick
Feb 2014
#6
Her dad did his dissertation on crystals, so maybe she is honoring him by keeping it. n/t
dorkzilla
Feb 2014
#82
Yes, that's what I said. The question posed was "why wouldn't she change her name". n/t
dorkzilla
Feb 2014
#444
I think she and her husband or too tied into the Wall Street thieves. Also her
arthritisR_US
Feb 2014
#38
I guess I'm like Chrystal, I was for her the first time but her position on
arthritisR_US
Feb 2014
#57
If it came down that she won the nomination for prez, there's no way I wouldn't support
arthritisR_US
Feb 2014
#64
and I do....and I knew before Barack Obama won the primary that Hillary was left of him
VanillaRhapsody
Feb 2014
#66
Their work is based on past results. Their work is not relevant to a time of as much
JDPriestly
Feb 2014
#335
Me either....but I guarantee you in one way or another you have benefitted.
VanillaRhapsody
Feb 2014
#322
we DO have a shortage of Dr's and Nurses...they use the H1B visas too...
VanillaRhapsody
Feb 2014
#279
Yes they are.....but we are still having a shortage that will continue
VanillaRhapsody
Feb 2014
#396
And many radiologists have been outsourced because X-Rays can be sent overseas in a minute or so...
cascadiance
Feb 2014
#389
THAT is malarkey.....we don't have enough Drs and Nurses...THAT is a fact
VanillaRhapsody
Feb 2014
#397
And overseas like India they SUBSIDIZE their education while our kids have more college debt!
cascadiance
Feb 2014
#417
Whenever I hear "extreme left" it usually means someone who's to the left of Bill O'Reilly.
Iggo
Feb 2014
#24
Exactly. But the centrists/corporatists like to try to label the real left as extreme so they can
cui bono
Feb 2014
#177
I am talking about a real Stalinist, not a teabaggers uninformed ramblings of what a Stalinist is
Bjorn Against
Feb 2014
#255
I don't think that Elizabeth Warren is all that to the left. I think she is quite middle-class
JDPriestly
Feb 2014
#341
and those are the ONLY Liberals YOU can even think of based on a very narrow
VanillaRhapsody
Feb 2014
#45
I DO know what kind of "stuff" goes around on DU about it....I take it you concur...
VanillaRhapsody
Feb 2014
#157
Exactly. The Rs put their fringe front and center and thier corporate office, FoxNoise,
Dark n Stormy Knight
Feb 2014
#393
MSNBC is owned by extreme right corporations. They fired olbermann & Cenk.
grahamhgreen
Feb 2014
#327
Okay, pay attention before you respond. I said in 2006. That was before the primaries started.
cui bono
Feb 2014
#283
Your "little directions" mean nothing to me...believe me I PAY attention...
VanillaRhapsody
Feb 2014
#285
In the past 30 years, no potential candidate has had to face the kind of attacks that Hillary
JDPriestly
Feb 2014
#343
I intentially did not remark on a specific candidate. There are a lot of demographics that go into
lostincalifornia
Feb 2014
#273
Simple fact is....Hillary Clinton can win...and most likely WILL win...
VanillaRhapsody
Feb 2014
#65
Except Hillary would BE another George Bush. Just another corporatist forced upon the voters. nt
NorthCarolina
Feb 2014
#415
People are waking up to the economic inequality, and Hillary will not do anything to
liberal_at_heart
Feb 2014
#75
Since you have expressed a strong opinion, who do you think would make a viable candidate?
lostincalifornia
Feb 2014
#277
the right person is anyone who can beat the GOP in spite of massive GOP fraud and voter suppression
stg81
Feb 2014
#83
I will support that Democrat who I determine has the best chance of winning.
DemocratSinceBirth
Feb 2014
#153
I like her too and believe she can win. Great minds run on the same track.
Auntie Bush
Feb 2014
#184
Hillary may run or not, but I'm sure that Warren meant it when she said that she was not running.
Beacool
Feb 2014
#247
The person I vote for may not win, but at least I know I will be voting for the change I want.
liberal_at_heart
Feb 2014
#299
At this time, there aren't any, but I would not rule out the possibility of one
JDPriestly
Feb 2014
#390
I didn't click on the link. Does the person provide any credible alternatives?
Pretzel_Warrior
Feb 2014
#303
Hillary disqualified herself when she voted for Bush's war, prevaricated over torture and supported
sabrina 1
Feb 2014
#306
No, because I had to disconnect the cable. The money to pay for it is with some rentier.
jtuck004
Feb 2014
#333
After reading this thread (yes, I read all of it), I have come to one conclusion:
Buns_of_Fire
Feb 2014
#357
When you click on the graphic for your post, a list comes up with some of the most vile lies about
mfcorey1
Feb 2014
#367
I love how people become political experts after losing very winnable districts. nt
TheMathieu
Feb 2014
#369
I didn't make the connection until now because her name didn't mean anything to me.
Beacool
Feb 2014
#374
the site explains their methodology...you are welcome to go there and read it yourself.
VanillaRhapsody
Feb 2014
#400
Don't have time to read the comments, but this is powerful. Wow. Shifted my begruding support
libdem4life
Feb 2014
#438
How does "begrudging support" "trash" Hillary? I'm Left Liberal and I don't condescendingly sneer
libdem4life
Feb 2014
#516
In case anyone is interested, Krystal did not make the decision do this segment lightly
DFW
Feb 2014
#451
Count me in the "Amen Corner". Maybe she just broke through the Inevitable Ceiling, just a bit.n/t
libdem4life
Feb 2014
#517