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MineralMan

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Wed Jan 29, 2014, 01:19 PM Jan 2014

One can honor military personnel without honoring war. [View all]

I have been opposed to all military operations in the Middle East for as long as I can remember. I believe, and have believed, that we have no business sending our military to that part of the world to deal with internal issues in the countries there. I was completely opposed to George W. Bush's decision to invade Iraq and Afghanistan at the time, and oppose our continuation of military operations there. I do understand that immediate withdrawal isn't the best way to leave, though.

However, President Obama's honoring of an enlisted man who had volunteered to serve 10 deployments was not honoring the war. It was honoring the service of one man as an example of all of those who serve in our military and are deployed to conflict areas. They did not start the conflict. They have nothing to do with the strategy of any military operations. They have, instead, joined the military for various reasons, and serve in the military as ordered by those who do plan the strategy. They are members of our military.

President Obama has overseen the end of our military involvement in Iraq, and is overseeing the end stage of our involvement in Afghanistan. How well he is doing that is open to discussion, of course. I would have preferred a more rapid drawdown in Afghanistan, for example, and believe we should already be out of there.

However, I do not make military policy, or any policy at all. Neither does the Sergeant who was honored at the SOTU address last night. Grievously injured, he has served honorably, and was rightly presented as someone who has served his country faithfully and at great cost to himself. Opposition to war in general or to individual wars does not have anything to do with honoring an individual who has served in our military.

My father piloted B-17s in WWII. He's 89 years old now. I have my own issues with strategic bombing, as it was carried out in WWII, and especially when civilian targets were bombed. My father flew some of those missions. He didn't plan any of them. He served as a pilot and flew his plane and crew in and back safely for over 20 missions, near the end of the war.

I disagree with the bombings, but not with my father's service. I disagree with our military operations in Iraq and Afghanistan, but not with the service of the injured man honored for his service by President Obama. Both served honorably in our military, as have countless others. All deserve honor. They are who they are. They are members of our military, and serve willingly and bravely.

It's fine to believe that we should not engage in military activities. It's fine to blame those who plan those activities and send our military personnel into harm's way. It is not fine to blame those who serve honorably. The President was right to honor this enlisted man, who paid a great price to serve. Those who stood and applauded the Sgt. are right to have done so.

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Yes, exactly! Klukie Jan 2014 #1
Sure they can. Iggo Jan 2014 #2
No, ProSense Jan 2014 #3
As you see, I disagree with that attitude, MineralMan Jan 2014 #5
Indeed. nt bemildred Jan 2014 #4
I do not see it. PowerToThePeople Jan 2014 #6
I believe you are wrong. The history of humankind is one of MineralMan Jan 2014 #9
Ending conflict. How? End conflict. PowerToThePeople Jan 2014 #15
Then do that. Personally, I've never been in a position to MineralMan Jan 2014 #28
face-palm PowerToThePeople Jan 2014 #33
What makes you think I do not hold them responsible? MineralMan Jan 2014 #36
I agree with portions of what you said Victor_c3 Jan 2014 #42
Being used as a political prop is a dishonor IMO whatchamacallit Jan 2014 #7
So you want to protect this soldier from being used as political prop? el_bryanto Jan 2014 #8
His acceptance of the "honor" is one matter whatchamacallit Jan 2014 #12
LOL. JaneyVee Jan 2014 #14
Lol@thee whatchamacallit Jan 2014 #17
You were asked a bunch of questions and avoided them all. Kudos! JaneyVee Jan 2014 #21
Thank you for your comment. MineralMan Jan 2014 #10
Sorry you can't face the antiwar message in all this frazzled Jan 2014 #24
There should have been a moment of silence instead of all the applause quinnox Jan 2014 #11
He's not dead. That would have been weird. Did you watch the SOTU? n/t ProSense Jan 2014 #13
LOL Iliyah Jan 2014 #41
Applause is just part of the glorification and romanticizing of war. L0oniX Jan 2014 #55
So many of these issues are like Rorschach tests, you see what you are primed to see Fumesucker Jan 2014 #16
Oddly enough, when I see a military veteran with MineralMan Jan 2014 #19
Your support the troops sticker won't get you into heaven any more Fumesucker Jan 2014 #26
I'm also a veteran. MineralMan Jan 2014 #27
I've been seeing vets since the 50s demigoddess Jan 2014 #30
I see it exactly that way too. To me, this poor guy, who was so severly impacted is Jefferson23 Jan 2014 #64
"Many true things are said through false teeth." bemildred Jan 2014 #37
Toward the end of my USAF enlistment, in 1968 and 1969, MineralMan Jan 2014 #48
Good for you. I turned in my draft card. Again, nothing happened. bemildred Jan 2014 #57
...and we don't see the caskets anymore for a reason. L0oniX Jan 2014 #56
Some points about the introduction of Sergeant Remsburg frazzled Jan 2014 #18
Your points are very well made. MineralMan Jan 2014 #23
Very well said. HappyMe Jan 2014 #31
Most people who are upset seem to impute malevolent motives to the President. riqster Jan 2014 #35
+1. nt bemildred Jan 2014 #38
dainty sensibilities Skittles Jan 2014 #71
They should offend: that was my point frazzled Jan 2014 #76
sorry, NO Skittles Jan 2014 #77
Very true Exciting Trip Jan 2014 #20
Well said get the red out Jan 2014 #22
do we honor them for them or to make ourselves feel better leftyohiolib Jan 2014 #43
It doesn't make me feel better get the red out Jan 2014 #58
we? Skittles Jan 2014 #72
I figured get the red out Jan 2014 #78
we, as in stupid people Skittles Feb 2014 #79
All Americans should see the cost of war in the flesh the young we send there. Agnosticsherbet Jan 2014 #25
It was heartwarming. TheMathieu Jan 2014 #29
This: riqster Jan 2014 #32
Thank you. MineralMan Jan 2014 #34
As a Vietnam Vet . . FairWinds Jan 2014 #39
This soldier was not held up as a hero. MineralMan Jan 2014 #40
that maybe be, and i agree with u,but there is just so much talk of honor here leftyohiolib Jan 2014 #49
heros DustyJoe Jan 2014 #51
have you noticed Skittles Jan 2014 #70
This Afghanistan vet agrees with you. NuclearDem Jan 2014 #74
K & R Iliyah Jan 2014 #44
Thank you. MineralMan Jan 2014 #45
Yes Progressive dog Jan 2014 #46
I agree with you completely... (I posted this on another thread as well) giftedgirl77 Jan 2014 #47
Thank you for your powerful reply. MineralMan Jan 2014 #50
We can hope, thank you for standing up & speaking giftedgirl77 Jan 2014 #52
What percentage of vets would encourage anyone to sign up? L0oniX Jan 2014 #53
I'm not sure. I've recommended enlisting to MineralMan Jan 2014 #65
The only direction I have point anyone is to the Navy ship generation systems... L0oniX Jan 2014 #68
I know I wouldn't. NuclearDem Jan 2014 #75
Sorta like adieu Jan 2014 #54
I have a few observations gwheezie Jan 2014 #59
That's exactly right MrScorpio Jan 2014 #60
I respectfully disagree. gLibDem Jan 2014 #61
OK. Your opinion is clear. MineralMan Jan 2014 #62
That's perfectly ok. gLibDem Jan 2014 #63
I don't know why anyone bothers anymore Number23 Jan 2014 #66
Yeah and how many times does that happen? How about that they walk outside Rex Jan 2014 #67
yes, I do it MONTHLY Skittles Jan 2014 #69
If there was a draft, I would tend to agree Shankapotomus Jan 2014 #73
Fair enough. Try honoring Vietcong soldiers, as Jane Fonda did, and see what happens. redgreenandblue Feb 2014 #80
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