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In reply to the discussion: Starfish dying in the NW Pacific [View all]nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)160. I will repeat this again so you can understand this
we are living through an extinction event, called the Holocene extinction. It started BEFORE we spilt one atom.
I mean, unless my history fails and we started splitting atoms around 10K years ago that is
The Holocene extinction is the widespread, ongoing extinction of species during the present Holocene epoch (since around 10,000 BC). The large number of extinctions span numerous families of plants and animals including mammals, birds, amphibians, reptiles and arthropods; a sizeable fraction of these extinctions are occurring in the rainforests. Between 1500 and 2009, 875 extinctions have been documented by the International Union for Conservation of Nature and Natural Resources.[1] However, most extinctions go undocumented. According to the Species-area theory and based on upper-bound estimating, up to 140,000 species per year may be the present rate of extinction.[2]
http://www.princeton.edu/~achaney/tmve/wiki100k/docs/Holocene_extinction_event.html
You are fixated with the idea that Fukushima is a problem to the point that it is an ELE.
Some of us like to have a clear view as to what is going on, and right at the moment I would not recommend people buy shelf stable milk, like I did when the accident first happened, and people here mercilessly made fun of me for suggesting something the US Military itself suggests when fall out is expected. And yes, we expected and did get fallout. And yes, it does not help when the US Government turns off Rad Monitors for "maintenance" it just leads to a lot of tinfoil theories.
Right now you are tying EVERYTHING WRONG WITH THE ENVIRONMENT to Fukushima. Sorry, but no cigar. Not everything is tied to even the Chicago Fermi Reactor experiment in the 1930s either.
Yes, there is an ELE under way, no, it does not fit YOUR TIMELINE, nor was it accelerated due to your timeline. Climate change and other pressures we humans have put on the environment have a lot more to do with it than all nuclear testing has.
What you are doing is not rational, it is not scientific nor does it help those of us who are truly concerned about Fukushima. Once again, Wasting Disease has zero to do with radiation... or all we know about the animal kingdom is quite wrong. The highest concentrations of radio isotopes are in mussels near the bikini islands (from open air testing during the cold war). Star Fish are NOT MIGRATORY. Nor is there enough radiation in the environment to actually do this. We are talking of micro sieverts. You understand what that means? I make fun of the eat your bananas crowd, but there are things in the environment, naturally occurring that have a higher count per minute.
It is to the point that if I want to discuss this, it will not be on DU, and for that I thank YOU.
Starfish have had this before, and from Santa Cruz web page
There has been substantial speculation in the media that the disease could be a result of increased radiation from the nuclear power plant disaster in Fukushima, Japan. We have no evidence to suggest that radiation is a likely culprit.
http://www.eeb.ucsc.edu/pacificrockyintertidal/data-products/sea-star-wasting/updates.html
Latest update, as of Dec 13, 2013.
Stop this, you are not doing anybody any favors.
I will not ridicule you, but I expect you to get personal now, as you always do. So have a good day.
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If you believe it's nonsense, then either post arguments that prove that it's nonsense,
rhett o rick
Jan 2014
#83
So now you've lowered yourself to stating that I "need help". You seem certain that you know the
rhett o rick
Jan 2014
#109
Starfish wasting predates Fukushima and is happening in other oceans besides the Pacific.
Gravitycollapse
Jan 2014
#6
The starfish die-off started well before Fukushima, and has happened fairly regularly
bhikkhu
Jan 2014
#8
"Unless one believes there is a massive multi-national conspiracy to cover up the evidence."
Gravitycollapse
Jan 2014
#10
People think 6 dump truck loads of thermite were snuck into each WTC tower.
Gravitycollapse
Jan 2014
#20
Robert ... Fukushima is a terrible ongoing accident ... we all agree on that point ...
MindMover
Jan 2014
#21
you know, I live in the NW Pacific and nobody, absolutely nobody here is talking about this at all
Douglas Carpenter
Jan 2014
#25
those articles do not even mention Fukushima - they maintain a virus is killing them
Douglas Carpenter
Jan 2014
#29
Funny thing is, the absence of evidence of such persecution will be seen as evidence that it exists.
X_Digger
Jan 2014
#119
So.. before Fukushima, therefore.. work with me here.. fukushima can't be the cause, right?
X_Digger
Jan 2014
#142
Fukushima-related radioactive materials measured across entire Northern Hemisphere
RobertEarl
Jan 2014
#31
How Quickly Did Fukushima Radiation Reach North America, And When Will It Peak?
passiveporcupine
Feb 2016
#199
I dont think you appreciate the gift of certainty of those knowing what is right vs. what is wrong.
rhett o rick
Jan 2014
#85
I would hope you realize that sometimes "right or wrong" is subjective and open for
rhett o rick
Jan 2014
#82
No, your OP implies that it is plutonium from Fukushima that is responsible.
NuclearDem
Jan 2014
#93
" there is no "subjective" in scientific claims. " You dont seem to know much about
rhett o rick
Jan 2014
#107
When a poster keeps posting the same bullshit over and over and keeps being told why they are wrong
zappaman
Jan 2014
#89
I am not surprised that you try to justify your mocking and ridicule. You never do it
rhett o rick
Jan 2014
#113
I think that this is an interesting theory but I would have to see proof before
rhett o rick
Jan 2014
#84
Those in their denial bubbles are afraid of the truth. There and many reactors
rhett o rick
Jan 2014
#135
Oh for God's sake. A single reactor at Three Mile Island suffered a partial meltdown.
NuclearDem
Jan 2014
#139
The DEFINITIVE link....Not going to copy/paste it, beware those on dial-up
uppityperson
Jan 2014
#96
Get a bowl and a bottle of milk because these claims are Cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs. nt
longship
Jan 2014
#101
The government, like many here, won't even acknowledge the possibility of radiation contamination.
democratisphere
Jan 2014
#112
Living in the Tampa Bay area we have this discussion often with experts in the field of
Harmony Blue
Jan 2014
#127
Except rising sea temperatures have been the cause of previous starfish die offs.
NuclearDem
Jan 2014
#176
I think he believes that if he keeps repeating it in spite of being disproven, it'll stick.
X_Digger
Jan 2014
#191
It's really cool how the radiation went backward in time to make the sea stars sick.
LeftyMom
Jan 2014
#186