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SidDithers

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90. This post was alerted as a Community Standards violation...

Mon Dec 19, 2011, 06:37 PM

Dec 2011

the alerter thought Ron Paul spam was against didn't fit in with DU's community standards.

Seemed the jury disagreed, voting 2-4 to leave the post.

Here are jurors comments:

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: The poster's argument for Ron Paul being a racist is a false one since,wanting to overturn Civil Rights laws are racist in practice even if the the practice isn't motivated by race. The reason I think we should leave i though is because, I think it is important to discuss these issue.. If he has violated the TOS, then that is something for Skinner and the other admins to deal with.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: First of all, I am sick and tired of hearing that Ron Paul is a racist. Maybe people are confusing Ron with Rand, his son. If the poster had said he was voting for Ron Paul, or urging us to vote for Ron Paul, then I would be "hiding" the post. But to simply offer up a defense of this fellow, Ron Paul, who like me, is against foreign war entanglements, and who has helped Kucinich, one of my all time favorite Democrats out, while the two of them serve in Congress, seems fine with me.

Perhaps the best way I can say this is this one: the board at DU should be used to promote truth. Only by promoting and exposing truth can people on DU have the ability to argue persuasively with relatives, friends and neighbors. If we let lies stand, then we re DISABLING the ability of our fellow DU-ers to be able to argue and persuade for decent candidates.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: Wow. The whole OP is about Ron Paul, and this person's support of Ron Paul does not read as spam.
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT and said: Defense of Ron Paul doesn't meet my version of Community Standards at DU.
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT and said: Although this is a Democratic site, I could have tolerated a posting along the lines of
"I believe that Ron Paul is being unfairly judged as racist on the basis of these quotes:
quote A quote B quote C
I urge you to use first-hand information to make up your mind about him. <Poster's personal beliefs about RP here, though some jurors might disagree.>"

When the poster added these sentences, however, the tone descended to insults:
"If you don't understand what he's saying, find out for yourself instead of referencing some "opinion" article... Even if you don't like him, dont be arrogant otherwise your no better than the scummy neo-cons."
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE and said: No explanation given

Poor Juror #2, who is "sick and tired of hearing that Ron Paul is a racist."

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An #Occupier said something interesting about Ron Paul... [View all] Fire Walk With Me Dec 2011 OP

He is a racist, homophobic, bigoted asshole. MADem Dec 2011 #1

Paul was confronted on this by someone on this very recently... this bird has flown Dec 2011 #18

Your logic is faulty. You assert a cause-effect that does not hold up MADem Dec 2011 #20

First of all, chill. You sound all worked up. this bird has flown Dec 2011 #27

You do not know me, so please don't tell me how you think I "sound." MADem Dec 2011 #31

Instead of posting me the rules for DU, could you please post CONCRETE PROOF of Paul's racism, this bird has flown Dec 2011 #32

I can definitely attest to his racism. vaberella Dec 2011 #33

First of all, I think we have to dig a bit deeper this bird has flown Dec 2011 #35

Consistent from an anti-statist/anarchist point of view tama Dec 2011 #37

Thank you for stating it that way! this bird has flown Dec 2011 #42

Federalism tama Dec 2011 #52

No - step into the last century JustAnotherGen Dec 2011 #82

I did. Read the material I provided. Then read the TOS. MADem Dec 2011 #39

I can't believe you are asking someone here for proof of Pauls racism and bigotry abelenkpe Dec 2011 #72

Ron Paul already acknowledged those writings. Here's your proof. pnwmom Dec 2011 #77

There is plenty on Ron Paul freshstart Dec 2011 #53

Yes, exactly right. nt Zorra Dec 2011 #58

This message was self-deleted by its author femrap Dec 2011 #69

If by "ugly" they mean physically so, that is both untrue and irrelevant. tblue37 Dec 2011 #71

people's positions make them ugly to me....looking at Romney or Paul I still see ugly fascists blm Dec 2011 #75

This message was self-deleted by its author femrap Dec 2011 #86

I don't think refusing to focus on a person's looks, whether that person is male or female, is tblue37 Dec 2011 #91

This message was self-deleted by its author femrap Dec 2011 #92

Men and women both are judged on looks in our culture, though of course tblue37 Dec 2011 #96

asidjfg femrap Dec 2011 #99

Yes, he is indeed no friend to women or anyone who respects the right of choice. MADem Dec 2011 #74

This message was self-deleted by its author femrap Dec 2011 #87

Ask them to name ONE pro-corporation piece of legislation that Paul voted AGAINST. blm Dec 2011 #2

They already do Aerows Dec 2011 #6

Paul's policies WOULD DEFINITELY give corporations GREATER control over our lives and THAT is blm Dec 2011 #14

PS:You also missed the point that Paul's votes HELPED corporations gain that control blm Dec 2011 #16

Unfortunately, there appears to be no such candidate on the horizon. Jackpine Radical Dec 2011 #19

And it certainly isn't Pro-corporate everything Paul. blm Dec 2011 #21

That's for Goddam sure. Jackpine Radical Dec 2011 #45

Excellent point. Zalatix Dec 2011 #29

Thank you - they want to pretend Paul would be a benign fascist. blm Dec 2011 #43

But why are there so few people willing to take action? Zalatix Dec 2011 #49

I know...been here for nearly a decade. blm Dec 2011 #68

+ a trillion. They are the exact opposite of Occupy. nt Zorra Dec 2011 #61

yes, paul believes in the free market fairy newspeak Dec 2011 #70

People all over the place are starting to talk about Ron Paul Aerows Dec 2011 #3

Thanks. #Occupy gets it, and will if I am trend-watching well enough Fire Walk With Me Dec 2011 #5

Occupy does get it Aerows Dec 2011 #8

United Aerows Dec 2011 #13

#Occupy does get it, NorthCarolina Dec 2011 #48

This message was self-deleted by its author a la izquierda Dec 2011 #50

Ron Paul is against a minimum wage, against unions, against regulating businesses abelenkpe Dec 2011 #73

And that's already enough right there...how are people overlooking this? Fire Walk With Me Dec 2011 #4

Because Ron Paul is a sneaky bastard ProudToBeBlueInRhody Dec 2011 #93

They were told to infiltrate and direct the movement mmonk Dec 2011 #7

The Federal Reserve Aerows Dec 2011 #10

I don't think I said that. mmonk Dec 2011 #15

You said Aerows Dec 2011 #23

and yet Paul STILL gives his votes and support to pro-FED corporations who PROFIT blm Dec 2011 #44

Were they told to "infiltrate" blogs and message boards, as well, I wonder? MADem Dec 2011 #40

BINGO! blm Dec 2011 #46

Proof of where their marching orders come from: freshwest Dec 2011 #95

Compared to the non-Mitt candidates running, Ron sounds more reasonable than the rest. Old and In the Way Dec 2011 #9

Women are baby machines to Ron Paul. Period. Ship of Fools Dec 2011 #11

If Ron Paul had his way untrammeled, woman would lose the coalition_unwilling Dec 2011 #12

If Ron Paul had his way segregation and slavery would be back. n/t vaberella Dec 2011 #34

Not sure about the slavery part (as Paul harkens back to a late-19th coalition_unwilling Dec 2011 #62

Ron Paul's supporters are usually parasitic opportunists. Starry Messenger Dec 2011 #17

Rancid and no good, indeed. MADem Dec 2011 #22

I actually appreciate your neologism 'racid' (a hybrid of coalition_unwilling Dec 2011 #63

You got that right! nt MADem Dec 2011 #66

He would, by default, criminalize abortion in over half of the country musette_sf Dec 2011 #25

Cartoon says it all Aerows Dec 2011 #30

He does sound reasonable - when you hear a sound bite here and there. But people gateley Dec 2011 #24

other than his stance on war and drugs, he's a freak. dionysus Dec 2011 #26

He's the new LaRouche, and sadly, more effective at it, at least at the moment. MH1 Dec 2011 #28

Well...the occupiers are mostly college kids. mirabeau Dec 2011 #36

And they be forced to go out and find any work they can.... MADem Dec 2011 #51

This message was self-deleted by its author femrap Dec 2011 #88

This IS OWS Aerows Dec 2011 #38

I am not saying this to suggest I support or like Ron Paul. emcguffie Dec 2011 #41

Good points and observations, except I fear you have overlooked the most coalition_unwilling Dec 2011 #64

Thanks. emcguffie Dec 2011 #100

Has Ron Paul come out in support of OWS?... SidDithers Dec 2011 #47

No, not that I'm aware of. His supporters are simply showing up thereabout. Fire Walk With Me Dec 2011 #57

Short summary, 20 % normal, 80% crazee nadinbrzezinski Dec 2011 #54

Yes Ron Paul Is Dangerous... rsmith6621 Dec 2011 #55

Nobody in Occupy thinks Ron Paul has the solution. Please do not spread this meme. Zorra Dec 2011 #60

Very good, thanks for the information. freshwest Dec 2011 #94

Paul does appear to be reasonable AnnieBW Dec 2011 #56

Objectivism alfredo Dec 2011 #59

piss on Ron Paul KG Dec 2011 #65

An honest response Liberal Minded Dec 2011 #67

Yeah that's why his newsletter was filled with bigoted rants abelenkpe Dec 2011 #76

Not only is he racist to the core musette_sf Dec 2011 #81

Ron Paul is a racist asshole Ohio Joe Dec 2011 #89

This post was alerted as a Community Standards violation... SidDithers Dec 2011 #90

Foreign Policy Charlemagne Dec 2011 #78

They are the Prison Planet contingent, trying to co-opt OWS. freshwest Dec 2011 #79

Fire Walk With Me, I messaged you an article to share with him. freshwest Dec 2011 #85

Ron Paul on Separation of Church and State Zorra Dec 2011 #80

Why I don’t get libertarianism: rainy Dec 2011 #83

I think you 'get' libertarianism very well. I hope you make an OP of that post. freshwest Dec 2011 #97

I did about three days ago. Thanks:). Nt rainy Dec 2011 #98

Oh, I'm pretty sure you know the answer to your own question. MineralMan Dec 2011 #84