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83. Why I don’t get libertarianism:
Mon Dec 19, 2011, 05:32 PM
Dec 2011

Why I don’t get libertarianism: First, I would recommend the movie “There will be Blood,” based on the book “Oil” by Upton Sinclair. In it Daniel Dey Lewis’s character is a human metaphor for capitalism. He destroys everything in his path eventually destroying himself as capitalism eventually eats itself as we are seeing now.

The Pauls think its ok for a business to say who they will let in their doors based on bigotry because they are the property owners, even though it is the public that paid for the roads that lead to their door, pays for their police protection and pays for their fire protection.

The Pauls believe that a business such as Walmart should be able to pay any crap wage even though the worker is not paid enough to support him or herself to the point that the tax payer has to pay for food stamps the worker needs to survive, while the CEO makes that workers yearly wage in one hour.

The Pauls believe that a company should be able to use up all of the natural resources, pollute the earth and not pay for it. They believe Coke company should be able to go to any country, steal their water to bottle their coke, exploit workers for horrendous wages, pollute their water, make them deathly sick and not pay a dime for all the destruction they cause.

Capitalism is not the answer, it can’t float all boats especially global capitalism and it is not good for a majority of people. The earth can’t sustain our rate of growth. Capitalism wastes too much of our natural resources. Waste is not a good way to run an economy.

Someone has to pick the fruit, harvest the food, work at 7-11 or Walmart and yet libertarians are ok with those workers not getting enough to pay for food and healthcare. What is the point of living if the wage doesn’t allow peace and happiness? Why are we here…to slave for Walmart while they decide the value of our wage, while they lobby our government to make rules that favor them?

The public pays for most of the innovative research going on in the world through subsidies yet after the great things are invented, especially pharmaceuticals, using public subsidies the private companies get to keep all the profit.

Because capitalists rule, we are actually seeing our innovation drop in the US. We are no longer competitive because it has been the government subsidizing all the innovative research and the right and libertarians are starving the government to the point of no funding for that marvelous research. Other countries are soaring ahead of us. They are inventing renewable green energy technology while we are still trying to build an oil pipeline. We are old dinosaurs hanging on to old ways and afraid to fund the future. Our schools, roads etc are crumbling.

Private property seems to be at the root of libertarianism. Why should the “government” be allowed to divvy out land? Who are the real owners of the earth? If a government ‘s sole purpose is to divvy out land and supply protection for only the owners who would allow that government to be? The earth belongs to everyone.

Capitalism and socialism are not the answers. A better world is possible. We are moving out of the industrial age based on cheap oil, which came with murderous wars and destruction. We are moving into an information age. We are truly becoming more aware, more conscientious beings.

A TRUE COST economy is the way to go where companies are not allowed to dump toxins into our once clean air, land and water. Those companies make us sick with cancer and other illnesses but pay nothing to fix the problem. They make huge profits off of using up all the people’s resources and leave toxins behind that are killing us.

If they had to pay for the toxic waste they couldn’t afford to exist and so be it.

In a true cost economy we would not have a Federal Bank that creates money out of thin air. We wouldn’t have banks that created credit default swaps allowing one end of their business to bet that the other end will fail and rake in dollars as our pensions shrink.

A true cost economy would promote localism allowing us to stop using deadly pesticides and chemical fertilizers.

Capitalism destroys everything in sight. Our fish are not healthy to eat. 60% of asthma is caused by air pollution and toxins seep into our drinking water supplies. Everything is polluted. The earth is crashing and burning.

Free market capitalism is corrupt and unregulated and destroying the world.

He is a racist, homophobic, bigoted asshole. MADem Dec 2011 #1
Paul was confronted on this by someone on this very recently... this bird has flown Dec 2011 #18
Your logic is faulty. You assert a cause-effect that does not hold up MADem Dec 2011 #20
First of all, chill. You sound all worked up. this bird has flown Dec 2011 #27
You do not know me, so please don't tell me how you think I "sound." MADem Dec 2011 #31
Instead of posting me the rules for DU, could you please post CONCRETE PROOF of Paul's racism, this bird has flown Dec 2011 #32
I can definitely attest to his racism. vaberella Dec 2011 #33
First of all, I think we have to dig a bit deeper this bird has flown Dec 2011 #35
Consistent from an anti-statist/anarchist point of view tama Dec 2011 #37
Thank you for stating it that way! this bird has flown Dec 2011 #42
Federalism tama Dec 2011 #52
No - step into the last century JustAnotherGen Dec 2011 #82
I did. Read the material I provided. Then read the TOS. MADem Dec 2011 #39
I can't believe you are asking someone here for proof of Pauls racism and bigotry abelenkpe Dec 2011 #72
Ron Paul already acknowledged those writings. Here's your proof. pnwmom Dec 2011 #77
There is plenty on Ron Paul freshstart Dec 2011 #53
Yes, exactly right. nt Zorra Dec 2011 #58
This message was self-deleted by its author femrap Dec 2011 #69
If by "ugly" they mean physically so, that is both untrue and irrelevant. tblue37 Dec 2011 #71
people's positions make them ugly to me....looking at Romney or Paul I still see ugly fascists blm Dec 2011 #75
This message was self-deleted by its author femrap Dec 2011 #86
I don't think refusing to focus on a person's looks, whether that person is male or female, is tblue37 Dec 2011 #91
This message was self-deleted by its author femrap Dec 2011 #92
Men and women both are judged on looks in our culture, though of course tblue37 Dec 2011 #96
asidjfg femrap Dec 2011 #99
Yes, he is indeed no friend to women or anyone who respects the right of choice. MADem Dec 2011 #74
This message was self-deleted by its author femrap Dec 2011 #87
Ask them to name ONE pro-corporation piece of legislation that Paul voted AGAINST. blm Dec 2011 #2
They already do Aerows Dec 2011 #6
Paul's policies WOULD DEFINITELY give corporations GREATER control over our lives and THAT is blm Dec 2011 #14
PS:You also missed the point that Paul's votes HELPED corporations gain that control blm Dec 2011 #16
Unfortunately, there appears to be no such candidate on the horizon. Jackpine Radical Dec 2011 #19
And it certainly isn't Pro-corporate everything Paul. blm Dec 2011 #21
That's for Goddam sure. Jackpine Radical Dec 2011 #45
Excellent point. Zalatix Dec 2011 #29
Thank you - they want to pretend Paul would be a benign fascist. blm Dec 2011 #43
But why are there so few people willing to take action? Zalatix Dec 2011 #49
I know...been here for nearly a decade. blm Dec 2011 #68
+ a trillion. They are the exact opposite of Occupy. nt Zorra Dec 2011 #61
yes, paul believes in the free market fairy newspeak Dec 2011 #70
People all over the place are starting to talk about Ron Paul Aerows Dec 2011 #3
Thanks. #Occupy gets it, and will if I am trend-watching well enough Fire Walk With Me Dec 2011 #5
Occupy does get it Aerows Dec 2011 #8
United Aerows Dec 2011 #13
#Occupy does get it, NorthCarolina Dec 2011 #48
This message was self-deleted by its author a la izquierda Dec 2011 #50
Ron Paul is against a minimum wage, against unions, against regulating businesses abelenkpe Dec 2011 #73
And that's already enough right there...how are people overlooking this? Fire Walk With Me Dec 2011 #4
Because Ron Paul is a sneaky bastard ProudToBeBlueInRhody Dec 2011 #93
They were told to infiltrate and direct the movement mmonk Dec 2011 #7
The Federal Reserve Aerows Dec 2011 #10
I don't think I said that. mmonk Dec 2011 #15
You said Aerows Dec 2011 #23
and yet Paul STILL gives his votes and support to pro-FED corporations who PROFIT blm Dec 2011 #44
Were they told to "infiltrate" blogs and message boards, as well, I wonder? MADem Dec 2011 #40
BINGO! blm Dec 2011 #46
Proof of where their marching orders come from: freshwest Dec 2011 #95
Compared to the non-Mitt candidates running, Ron sounds more reasonable than the rest. Old and In the Way Dec 2011 #9
Women are baby machines to Ron Paul. Period. Ship of Fools Dec 2011 #11
If Ron Paul had his way untrammeled, woman would lose the coalition_unwilling Dec 2011 #12
If Ron Paul had his way segregation and slavery would be back. n/t vaberella Dec 2011 #34
Not sure about the slavery part (as Paul harkens back to a late-19th coalition_unwilling Dec 2011 #62
Ron Paul's supporters are usually parasitic opportunists. Starry Messenger Dec 2011 #17
Rancid and no good, indeed. MADem Dec 2011 #22
I actually appreciate your neologism 'racid' (a hybrid of coalition_unwilling Dec 2011 #63
You got that right! nt MADem Dec 2011 #66
He would, by default, criminalize abortion in over half of the country musette_sf Dec 2011 #25
Cartoon says it all Aerows Dec 2011 #30
He does sound reasonable - when you hear a sound bite here and there. But people gateley Dec 2011 #24
other than his stance on war and drugs, he's a freak. dionysus Dec 2011 #26
He's the new LaRouche, and sadly, more effective at it, at least at the moment. MH1 Dec 2011 #28
Well...the occupiers are mostly college kids. mirabeau Dec 2011 #36
And they be forced to go out and find any work they can.... MADem Dec 2011 #51
This message was self-deleted by its author femrap Dec 2011 #88
This IS OWS Aerows Dec 2011 #38
I am not saying this to suggest I support or like Ron Paul. emcguffie Dec 2011 #41
Good points and observations, except I fear you have overlooked the most coalition_unwilling Dec 2011 #64
Thanks. emcguffie Dec 2011 #100
Has Ron Paul come out in support of OWS?... SidDithers Dec 2011 #47
No, not that I'm aware of. His supporters are simply showing up thereabout. Fire Walk With Me Dec 2011 #57
Short summary, 20 % normal, 80% crazee nadinbrzezinski Dec 2011 #54
Yes Ron Paul Is Dangerous... rsmith6621 Dec 2011 #55
Nobody in Occupy thinks Ron Paul has the solution. Please do not spread this meme. Zorra Dec 2011 #60
Very good, thanks for the information. freshwest Dec 2011 #94
Paul does appear to be reasonable AnnieBW Dec 2011 #56
Objectivism alfredo Dec 2011 #59
piss on Ron Paul KG Dec 2011 #65
An honest response Liberal Minded Dec 2011 #67
Yeah that's why his newsletter was filled with bigoted rants abelenkpe Dec 2011 #76
Not only is he racist to the core musette_sf Dec 2011 #81
Ron Paul is a racist asshole Ohio Joe Dec 2011 #89
This post was alerted as a Community Standards violation... SidDithers Dec 2011 #90
Foreign Policy Charlemagne Dec 2011 #78
They are the Prison Planet contingent, trying to co-opt OWS. freshwest Dec 2011 #79
Fire Walk With Me, I messaged you an article to share with him. freshwest Dec 2011 #85
Ron Paul on Separation of Church and State Zorra Dec 2011 #80
Why I don’t get libertarianism: rainy Dec 2011 #83
I think you 'get' libertarianism very well. I hope you make an OP of that post. freshwest Dec 2011 #97
I did about three days ago. Thanks:). Nt rainy Dec 2011 #98
Oh, I'm pretty sure you know the answer to your own question. MineralMan Dec 2011 #84
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