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solarhydrocan

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6. k/r

Wed Dec 18, 2013, 10:52 AM

Dec 2013

If McCain had won in 08 (YES I'm glad he didn't) and a Republican Senate and Republican House had passed a law requiring every citizen to buy corporate insurance with no promised public option

how many Democrats would have supported it?

Not Keith Olbermann that's for sure

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My problem with Obamacare [View all] edhopper Dec 2013 OP

Pick the parts we don't like, and improve them. JoePhilly Dec 2013 #1

Hopefully edhopper Dec 2013 #2

I don't know how we're going to "improve" the part about Big Insurance grabbing Doctor_J Dec 2013 #18

We could sit in a corner curled up in a fetal position. JoePhilly Dec 2013 #28

Who wrote it is relevant edhopper Dec 2013 #30

Did I say to not discuss the flaws? No. JoePhilly Dec 2013 #35

Considering the history of getting any sort of program in the US, Turbineguy Dec 2013 #3

I think ProSense Dec 2013 #4

Thanks edhopper Dec 2013 #9

Ding ding ding!!! JoePhilly Dec 2013 #31

It's a step toward eventual single-payer/public option for all. DinahMoeHum Dec 2013 #5

True edhopper Dec 2013 #10

Based on what? How is it a step towards single payer? Dawgs Dec 2013 #15

That is a very good point edhopper Dec 2013 #16

Exactly Puzzledtraveller Dec 2013 #56

It's based on "because we say so". Egalitarian Thug Dec 2013 #78

No, it's not. that is a ridiculous statement. Doctor_J Dec 2013 #20

How so Sgent Dec 2013 #74

Let me type this more slowly. MAKING IT A LAW THAT INSURANCE COMPANIES GET Doctor_J Dec 2013 #76

The bigger question is WHY do you want insurance companies out of the system Sgent Dec 2013 #81

Because medicare is immensely popular and successful, and because giving Doctor_J Dec 2013 #82

Medicare cost money and only pays 80% Bandit Dec 2013 #70

Single payer edhopper Dec 2013 #72

It's really more than 3%, and insurance companies do most of the administrative work and provide Hoyt Dec 2013 #80

Medicare isn't single payer??? Doctor_J Dec 2013 #75

I doubt it. 840high Dec 2013 #79

k/r solarhydrocan Dec 2013 #6

Candidate Obama was a populist liberal anti-Republican Doctor_J Dec 2013 #22

Would Obama have even been elected IF he had run on... bvar22 Dec 2013 #48

Sure, there's lots to dislike. Being worse than the status quo isn't one of them. lumberjack_jeff Dec 2013 #7

I'm an advocate of Medicare for All, inluding dental, optical and hearing aids, but ... Scuba Dec 2013 #8

FYI: Medicare does not cover hearing aids (or even hearing exams) frazzled Dec 2013 #23

Medicare doesn't cover dental or optical either, which was my point. Scuba Dec 2013 #29

This is what happens when the Left moves too far to the Right. RC Dec 2013 #11

I think most of us would agree edhopper Dec 2013 #12

All the deductibles Nite Owl Dec 2013 #13

That is one of the problems I see as well edhopper Dec 2013 #14

Where were you? TBF Dec 2013 #17

I was here edhopper Dec 2013 #19

Honestly I think you're just stirring the pot. TBF Dec 2013 #21

I recall the argument of why SP would have been better edhopper Dec 2013 #25

Your concern is noted. nt TBF Dec 2013 #45

it IS NOT a path to single payer FatBuddy Dec 2013 #24

Sure ProSense Dec 2013 #26

So we will have a two tiered country edhopper Dec 2013 #27

That's ProSense Dec 2013 #32

Sounds like a long slow edhopper Dec 2013 #33

I doubt it will be ProSense Dec 2013 #38

Sounds like we need to stop electing GOP Goveners. JoePhilly Dec 2013 #41

^^this^^ TBF Dec 2013 #46

+1 Corruption Inc Dec 2013 #65

Still waiting for the guilt-by-association crowd to oppose the ACA NuclearDem Dec 2013 #34

No edhopper Dec 2013 #36

Two things. First, it helps a lot of desperate people DevonRex Dec 2013 #68

My point exactly. NuclearDem Dec 2013 #69

And you were right. Esp since the association is flimsy at best. DevonRex Dec 2013 #71

All good points edhopper Dec 2013 #73

Sorry to be blunt, but "deal with it." frazzled Dec 2013 #37

I agree edhopper Dec 2013 #39

Then maybe you should start a thread frazzled Dec 2013 #43

Well my intent was for edhopper Dec 2013 #44

Well, when we complain BEFORE it's passed, we're told, "don't complain until you know what it is" Doctor_J Dec 2013 #49

BTW edhopper Dec 2013 #40

My Obamacare story Gothmog Dec 2013 #42

The next president will determine what happens with it quinnox Dec 2013 #47

The Mandate to BUY Health Insurance from For Profit Corporations will NEVER be repealed, bvar22 Dec 2013 #53

I think the president's remaining goals for his term are Doctor_J Dec 2013 #54

I believe there is one more goal: bvar22 Dec 2013 #58

True that. A different DEM floats the cuts every month or so, invoking the "deficit" lie Doctor_J Dec 2013 #62

I'm not that pessimistic quinnox Dec 2013 #57

The Mandate for every American citizen to Buy Health Insurance is already settled LAW, bvar22 Dec 2013 #60

That is true, but there are still edges and pieces of it that can change quinnox Dec 2013 #61

We will see. bvar22 Dec 2013 #63

For myself I took quite a hit Doctor_J Dec 2013 #66

People should not have to use savings edhopper Dec 2013 #67

ACA is mandatory, for-profit health insurance. All progressives know in their heart Romulox Dec 2013 #50

Message auto-removed Name removed Dec 2013 #51

Nothing happens until at minimum GOP loses house in 2014 Pretzel_Warrior Dec 2013 #52

Bill Moyers has some of the same issues with ObamaCare. bvar22 Dec 2013 #55

It's a perfect example of the GOP moving further right AgingAmerican Dec 2013 #59

What's important is to realize that many "Dems" are no longer Dems... polichick Dec 2013 #64

But, but, but, mercymechap Dec 2013 #77

Obamacare is based on the Massachusetts health care law that the Democratic legislature amended so pampango Dec 2013 #83

It will be interesting to compare edhopper Dec 2013 #84