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freshwest

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531. Yours is the only response expressing what is important. When you said:
Fri Dec 13, 2013, 02:31 AM
Dec 2013
The sexually repressed haven't had the--call them epiphanies--it takes for true sexual imagination. And so are sell outs to whatever flavor of corporate imagery affects them-- for whatever individual reasons. Unfortunately they tend to think the opposite is true, that they have control of their sexual imagination, that they are not corporate tools.
Pornography is the sexual equivalent of shopping at Wall-mart.


People are not cognizant of the glory of sex, the being in the moment, in touch with each other and not just flesh. It is as if they could not truly enjoy themselves to begin with, so like a person who puts on a lot of makeup for glamor, they have long since lost the beauty of being alive.

They are, as you say, 'sell out's to something that will never satisfy completely, and does nothing in the real world to give them what they lack. No amount of shiny things, jewels, man-made contrivances and effort replace that which is lost. They feign boredom and need to be stimulated to feel alive again, but it is as if a nerve has been severed and they can no longer go with the flow, the wonder, the unknown, the gift of making love. And that act is not taught by media, it is made during the moment of loving.

The WalMart analogy is apt, and being in love with a highly commercialized product, little different than an electronic device or car. I do not see porn as intimacy, but a sham, a desire for something dead and buried.

If one still has what I'm talking about, they don't need to see it or read it as it resides in their consciousness free of charge and no need to go to media It will do what is needed without any teaching by con men.

All media is a form of learning. We learn how to do something we want to do with a textbook or manual, then we practice, then we do it. I know that you know what I mean, and what this is practicing for. It will not be satisfied, every real thing in the flesh won't be good enough and will be compared.

This is a problem some young men have expressed to me. After seeing so much porn online, knowing their chances of getting a girl to do all they saw were not very good, they are not interested in them, and do not respect them as they can never, no matter what they do for them, equal their fantasy, and said they also do not they respect themselves. Some have rebelled from this so called freedom, and said they are going to find out what life and love and what they want is.

Life is not meant to be just a fantasy we have been taught, or following a program given by media, but living. Those who think it is the ultimate freedom, are denying that they are being disrespected and manipulated for the profit of someone who does not know or care about them. Nothing of value passed between them, just money. Porn is as useless as watching a fish out of water gulping for air unable to get back to the real source of its existence. It is part of the process of dehmanization we are being put through, and not for our own good.

Thanks for your post.

"who consents to being tortured?" ForgoTheConsequence Nov 2013 #1
/end thread Egnever Nov 2013 #2
said it all BainsBane Nov 2013 #4
It's not just about women. ForgoTheConsequence Nov 2013 #10
Rape is my business BainsBane Nov 2013 #17
Actually, if the rape isn't real and it is between consenting adults it is not your business. Kurska Nov 2013 #21
Pretend murder and drug taking is a really weak ass argument. moxybug Nov 2013 #140
Can *you* provide a definitive answer? Orrex Nov 2013 #198
Sure. moxybug Nov 2013 #288
Well, sort of Orrex Nov 2013 #312
what you want to outlaw oral sex. loli phabay Nov 2013 #239
Certainly not moxybug Nov 2013 #293
Is it forcible oral sex.... AgingAmerican Nov 2013 #472
Wait a second here, you seem to arguing that extreme forms of sexuality should be banned Kurska Nov 2013 #269
No moxybug Nov 2013 #289
you are wrong there! Stargazer99 Nov 2013 #243
What you think in your head is my business and I'll throw you in jail if I don't like it. Kurska Nov 2013 #270
Yes, I agree, that is part of the point Tumbulu Nov 2013 #482
Exactly. What on earth is wrong with someone that needs to watch that stuff to get off. smirkymonkey Dec 2013 #532
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2013 #381
If this is all about the harm to women, I'm a gay man with a consenting gay partner Kurska Nov 2013 #14
It isn't about sexuality or sex BainsBane Nov 2013 #22
If the ban was only on COMMERCIAL production of rape porn. Kurska Nov 2013 #49
Looking forward to a response. BB? nt Bonobo Nov 2013 #56
If by things I find objectionable you mean slavery and rape, yes BainsBane Nov 2013 #59
That's called ducking a question. Bonobo Nov 2013 #64
+1000 Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #127
Nope. I get it. It's about consent, and the identity that comes from entitlement ancianita Nov 2013 #166
she did answer the question. Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2013 #201
So you admit you want to ban some fiction based on the content of that fiction Kurska Nov 2013 #66
False BainsBane Nov 2013 #72
You have to be kidding me. Kurska Nov 2013 #74
the law makes illegal possession of already illegal porn BainsBane Nov 2013 #85
And... that porn that was already illegal includes consensual depiction of simulated criminality. Kurska Nov 2013 #87
Well you clearly consider yourself a British legal scholar BainsBane Nov 2013 #91
And I am asking you Tumbulu Nov 2013 #484
I don't think that telling women *and only women* what they should do "for their own good" lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #492
I don't think that protecting people from harm Tumbulu Nov 2013 #498
I want a government that keeps out of my bed room Kurska Nov 2013 #495
Can you tell me why you think that your private life should be protected Tumbulu Nov 2013 #497
My private sexual life causes no harm or lack of protection for women. Kurska Nov 2013 #505
I do not get your point at all Tumbulu Nov 2013 #506
I like how you completely don't include the "consensual" bit in that question. Kurska Nov 2013 #508
So how does one tell the difference Tumbulu Nov 2013 #511
Our society is somehow able to differniate between real and fake murders everyday. Kurska Nov 2013 #514
It is not possible to care about workers Tumbulu Nov 2013 #529
"If by things I find objectionable you mean slavery and rape," No I don't mean that Kurska Nov 2013 #73
Not if there really is consent BainsBane Nov 2013 #77
The law makes it a crime to possess porn that has rape in it, whether that rape is real or not. Kurska Nov 2013 #82
How much have you read? BainsBane Nov 2013 #89
By that logic, you would also ban BDSM because it increases propensity for sadism. Bonobo Nov 2013 #92
There never was a start to the rope Major Nikon Nov 2013 #111
Good point. Bonobo Nov 2013 #113
Par for the course Major Nikon Nov 2013 #118
Bravo! Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #177
Thank you lillypaddle Nov 2013 #240
+1 booley Nov 2013 #370
"I myself have no problem banning all rape porn." FINALLY Kurska Nov 2013 #94
You clearly don't know what fiction is BainsBane Nov 2013 #96
Christ you're good at making up arguments that you can argue against. EOTE Nov 2013 #142
Most people don't proslytize for others, they do so for themselves. nt rrneck Nov 2013 #173
Then someone is in desperate need of convincing. EOTE Nov 2013 #178
It's far from exhausting. rrneck Nov 2013 #196
Porn is fiction. nt rrneck Nov 2013 #172
That sentence is mathematically incorrect therefore a falsehood. Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2013 #199
There was no math in it. rrneck Nov 2013 #207
Is means equal to. Porn is not equal to fiction. Unless you are pulling a Bill Clinton - Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2013 #219
Of course porn is fiction. It's bad fiction, but it's fiction. rrneck Nov 2013 #245
rrneck, you are smarter than this - Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2013 #250
Sure they are. rrneck Nov 2013 #260
I thought the Blair Witch Project was stupid and boring. and, just how many Rates of Porn are there? Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2013 #264
The "rates" of any art form are as unlimited as the human imagination. rrneck Nov 2013 #276
I think this discussion has gone beyond a subthread for the OP. Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2013 #278
I don't just think about it. I live it. ntt rrneck Nov 2013 #301
then you understand what I am saying. -- Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2013 #303
It's all art in one form or another. rrneck Nov 2013 #315
"Porn is not fiction." Kurska Nov 2013 #210
that is also an invalid statement. Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2013 #222
Tell me, porn can have a story right? Kurska Nov 2013 #227
Wait. What? Orrex Nov 2013 #217
I am pretty much in agreement with what you are saying, Orrex. Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2013 #232
Thank you--I confess that I initially missed your point Orrex Nov 2013 #233
exactly! Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2013 #236
So if rape porn does have a story (no reason it can't and I'm sure it often does) Kurska Nov 2013 #287
are you trying to put words in my mouth? I have never said anythihng about banning Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2013 #290
Producers bill it as being real BainsBane Nov 2013 #351
So what if they bill it as being real? Does that make it real? Orrex Nov 2013 #377
It it is advertised as real gollygee Nov 2013 #454
You are missing the entire point of the OP. smirkymonkey Dec 2013 #533
That is an interesting question. So if it's not commercial and you happen across a video cui bono Nov 2013 #102
Do you think you yourself should be sent to jail for watching that video? Silent3 Nov 2013 #356
Do you think you have the right to get off on a real live rape being committed on a victim? seabeyond Nov 2013 #365
No, but I'm dying to hear how that question isn't a wild non-sequitur to what I said. n/t Silent3 Nov 2013 #380
No. And honestly I doubt it was anything near what they're talking about being illegal anyway. cui bono Nov 2013 #462
Supporting something and not wanting it to be illegal are two different things. Silent3 Nov 2013 #464
I agree with that. cui bono Nov 2013 #490
I'd prosecute the crimes committed in the production of such videos... Silent3 Nov 2013 #504
I am concerned that violence against women is normalized Tumbulu Nov 2013 #483
+100000 JustAnotherGen Nov 2013 #100
Thank god you're here BainsBane Nov 2013 #103
It was too early this morning JustAnotherGen Nov 2013 #154
Exactly, what the hell is wrong with people if they need to watch images of women being raped and smirkymonkey Nov 2013 #523
That's a bit narrow. Blue_Adept Nov 2013 #530
Would you have a link to any of those studies? I'd like to have a look. Thanks. nt rrneck Nov 2013 #170
now this is a legitimate question and I also would be interested in the links. n/t Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2013 #279
+1000 smirkymonkey Nov 2013 #478
Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2013 #374
Typical... Decaffeinated Nov 2013 #139
what kind of choice do slaves have? BainsBane Nov 2013 #141
You had to burn the village to save the village right? Decaffeinated Nov 2013 #144
Oh how liberal of you! Tumbulu Nov 2013 #485
That just magically makes it so? You should call Webster! Decaffeinated Nov 2013 #488
Freedom to hurt people for pleasure? Tumbulu Nov 2013 #491
According to you... Decaffeinated Nov 2013 #494
Oh I think this that you should think a little bit before trivializing Tumbulu Nov 2013 #496
I know people who work for Kink.com. They are not slaves. They are well-paid. Comrade Grumpy Nov 2013 #258
Because most rapes are not reported Tumbulu Nov 2013 #486
"Human beings with rights" also have the right to do what they want. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #163
Not when the "right to do what they want" harms others. MadrasT Nov 2013 #167
Fair enough. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #171
Well there you go, busting out facts and stuff Kurska Nov 2013 #215
Those rights include consenting to activities you do not like. (nt) jeff47 Nov 2013 #220
Your post assumes there are no men who get off on submitting themselves to torture from a woman Threedifferentones Nov 2013 #281
strawmen and choice BainsBane Nov 2013 #346
We don't really disagree actually, in fact you practically repeated me. Threedifferentones Nov 2013 #362
If you were going to make a homemade rape video with gf who did not want to do it, seabeyond Nov 2013 #367
If I made a homemade rape video of my GF, then presumably she would have me arrested with that proof Threedifferentones Nov 2013 #369
You simply show ignorance and dismissal to rape victims and spousal abuse. No surprise seabeyond Nov 2013 #373
You keep repeating yourself and not responding to others' points. Threedifferentones Nov 2013 #386
Again we see the fallacy of "consenting adults" that those who defend porn tell themselves BainsBane Nov 2013 #3
We're not just talking about women. ForgoTheConsequence Nov 2013 #7
"I shouldn't be able to do that because you don't like it?" Thats exactly what I'm hearing here too. Kurska Nov 2013 #11
No, but people are hurt and die BainsBane Nov 2013 #28
It isn't even commercialized half the time, do you really know nothing about this? Kurska Nov 2013 #35
The point is not that you CAN'T watch it. smirkymonkey Dec 2013 #534
Even the most sick and disgusting speech is protected. Kurska Dec 2013 #535
Yes, but the point of the OP was not about making it illegal or banning it, smirkymonkey Dec 2013 #536
This might come as a surprise to you, but people don't actually pick what they find arousing. Kurska Dec 2013 #537
What is deregulated freedom? The freedom to beat your kids because you love them? To ancianita Nov 2013 #203
Watch the wrong kind of fiction, get thrown in jail. Got it Kurska Nov 2013 #8
Firstly, we aren't talking about jail in the US BainsBane Nov 2013 #24
I'm not throwing people in jail for consuming FICTION. Not matter how nice the jails are. Kurska Nov 2013 #26
Have you read the British law? BainsBane Nov 2013 #33
I dunno, MAYBE ASK THE PEOPLE WHO MADE IT? Kurska Nov 2013 #54
so then, Just take them at their word...? Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2013 #216
Our society has had about a hundred years of differentiating between real and fake murder videos Kurska Nov 2013 #221
did you really ask that question? Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2013 #225
Yawn, you know excatly what I was saying. Kurska Nov 2013 #230
yawn. that you like to watch it over and over again ... tells me you are the one with Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2013 #294
I fail to see the problem with what I wrote. Kurska Nov 2013 #296
agreed. went back and re-read your post. point taken. Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2013 #299
What is it about you that finds women getting raped and brutalized such a turn on? smirkymonkey Nov 2013 #524
Rape, mutilation, and murder are illegal already. ForgoTheConsequence Nov 2013 #30
What an excellent post Tumbulu Nov 2013 #513
It's one thing if it's really between two consenting adults, adults who are actually in a cui bono Nov 2013 #83
People do softcore porn because of low self esteem and economic necessity as well... Hippo_Tron Nov 2013 #441
If you're telling people what kind of FICTION, what kind of NOT REAL stuff they can watch Kurska Nov 2013 #5
Exactly. NT Eric J in MN Nov 2013 #223
... I'm a gay man. I've consented many times to being "tortured" as you call it MANY times. sibelian Nov 2013 #6
I'm gay too, that is why I'm so disgusted by people seriously advocating making consensual behavior Kurska Nov 2013 #9
I'm not gay. ForgoTheConsequence Nov 2013 #13
Puritanism is exactly right Kurska Nov 2013 #15
It's frightening. ForgoTheConsequence Nov 2013 #20
Absolutely terrifying man, watching fascism masquerading as progress and liberation scares me. Kurska Nov 2013 #23
Agree! Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #129
It's not BDSM BainsBane Nov 2013 #27
"enslaved labor" ForgoTheConsequence Nov 2013 #32
Holy shit BainsBane Nov 2013 #39
All of that is illegal already....... ForgoTheConsequence Nov 2013 #43
This message was self-deleted by its author BainsBane Nov 2013 #65
Because some porn is made with enslaved people, all porn needs to be banned. Kurska Nov 2013 #41
Some massage parlors use slave labor too. ForgoTheConsequence Nov 2013 #48
Pretty much every human job throughout history has been performed by a slave at some point Kurska Nov 2013 #51
As does the pork industry BainsBane Nov 2013 #67
You're absolutely right, you buy you pork from people who are good people. Kurska Nov 2013 #68
Do you get your porn from good people? BainsBane Nov 2013 #71
Well for one, I know some of them n/t Kurska Nov 2013 #79
If you limit your consumption to people and companies you know BainsBane Nov 2013 #81
I've known good people who produced brutal violent, yet consenting porn for zero dollars. Kurska Nov 2013 #86
I think people should be able to associate with who they wish. ForgoTheConsequence Nov 2013 #37
In their defense, I think a lot of people just don't get it Hippo_Tron Nov 2013 #442
Amen, Sibelian. The bias against BDSM, the refusal to understand that it is a large anneboleyn Nov 2013 #204
CONSENT is the operative word here. Slaves and minors, by definition, can NOT give consent. Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2013 #295
The hatred is of women BainsBane Nov 2013 #12
So is male on male torture ok with you? ForgoTheConsequence Nov 2013 #18
Some people seem to think women need to be protected from their own bodies and sexuality. Kurska Nov 2013 #19
You aren't reading BainsBane Nov 2013 #25
My lord there is a million pieces of pretty brutal porn out there with perfectly consenting women. Kurska Nov 2013 #29
yes, but there is also porn that is the product of slavery BainsBane Nov 2013 #58
"There is no way to tell the difference." Uhh, yeah there is Kurska Nov 2013 #61
I think there are probably some ways to carefully consume porn BainsBane Nov 2013 #69
The 2nd wave of feminism ended because of exactly that Major Nikon Nov 2013 #145
How does a slave consent? BainsBane Nov 2013 #31
Child porn and slavery are already illegal. ForgoTheConsequence Nov 2013 #34
Yet porn using slave labor is widely consummed BainsBane Nov 2013 #60
Prosecute slave porn more. Throw the people who produce it into jail. Kurska Nov 2013 #70
are you talking about what couples make between themselves? BainsBane Nov 2013 #75
No you see, a couple can produce a video between themselves and then give it away for free. Kurska Nov 2013 #84
Pokemon products are produced with slave labor as well. Are you for banning Pokemon? EOTE Nov 2013 #151
I'm going to go out on a limb and say literally no one in this thread agrees with slave porn. Kurska Nov 2013 #45
It seems like you are conflating two related but distinct issues. Comrade Grumpy Nov 2013 #267
When was the last time you "consumed" a movie? last1standing Nov 2013 #402
I won't consume simulated rape porn, but I'll defend it as free expression. DisgustipatedinCA Nov 2013 #399
I value my life and those of other women BainsBane Nov 2013 #445
Porn of ALL KINDS presents a hatred of women... Hippo_Tron Nov 2013 #443
Truthfully, when it comes to softcore porn BainsBane Nov 2013 #444
Magazine covers also depict women as objects whose sole purpose is fulfillment of male fantasy... Hippo_Tron Nov 2013 #446
I don't like that either BainsBane Nov 2013 #447
We'll have to respectfully disagree on this one, I get where you're coming from Hippo_Tron Nov 2013 #456
I don't see it as about rough sex at all BainsBane Nov 2013 #461
Without knowing exactly what you are talking about, I can only generalize. Deep13 Nov 2013 #16
So it's a liberal position for women to have choice... Major Nikon Nov 2013 #36
+1 Joel thakkar Nov 2013 #38
that's what it all boils down to Niceguy1 Nov 2013 #40
Telling CONSENTING adults what they can and can't do is a far right position Major Nikon Nov 2013 #80
because some progressives Niceguy1 Nov 2013 #88
Who is consenting? BainsBane Nov 2013 #99
The actors who sign the release forms and cash the checks are consenting. n/t lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #165
So are the workers at Walmart. They are "consenting" too, but the wages and conditions suck. KittyWampus Nov 2013 #192
Yes, but they aren't demanding Wal-Mart be made illegal. jeff47 Nov 2013 #234
Tell us what choice enslaved women have BainsBane Nov 2013 #42
You don't get to take away civil liberties just because psychos find inspiration from them sometimes phleshdef Nov 2013 #527
How about the choice of Walmart workers going hungry this Thanksgiving? BainsBane Nov 2013 #46
So we should ban Walmart? ForgoTheConsequence Nov 2013 #53
In the US we aren't banning anything BainsBane Nov 2013 #63
How on earth do I not care? Kurska Nov 2013 #76
I'm all for porn workers unions and porn workers getting a living wage. Kurska Nov 2013 #57
You're all for it, yet you justify an industry which allows none of that. BainsBane Nov 2013 #62
I do, in fact, oppose thai rape farms. Kurska Nov 2013 #78
Well, surely you understand the problem regulating international labor generally, right? BainsBane Nov 2013 #93
So... ban Iphones? n/t Kurska Nov 2013 #95
No, again I'm talking about social consciousness BainsBane Nov 2013 #97
+1 Learning here. ancianita Nov 2013 #262
+100 Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #130
Exactly. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #168
Pro choice with an asterisk Democat Nov 2013 #259
For me the concern is twofold. Deep13 Nov 2013 #305
I can understand your concerns Major Nikon Nov 2013 #331
I have no idea what the solution is. Deep13 Nov 2013 #403
You hit the nail on the head with that one. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #310
I'll pass on this flamebait... 99Forever Nov 2013 #44
Morally superior? Wanting to be spared rape? BainsBane Nov 2013 #47
You sure seem to think so. ForgoTheConsequence Nov 2013 #50
I seek to protect myself and others from rape BainsBane Nov 2013 #101
Who the hell said.. 99Forever Nov 2013 #116
This is about rape porn BainsBane Nov 2013 #117
Insofar as we are discussing porn with actual rape, there is no disagreement. Bonobo Nov 2013 #119
No! You can't call it BDSM! Major Nikon Nov 2013 #136
i wish the poster would just come out and say they dont care if theres consent they just want it loli phabay Nov 2013 #238
Lots of shit out there that offends me. 99Forever Nov 2013 #122
So it's all about what gets men off BainsBane Nov 2013 #134
Congratulations, that's your 1000th conflation between rape/killing and BDSM! You win a lollipop! EOTE Nov 2013 #152
+ a brazillion. opiate69 Nov 2013 #391
I guess if you have no valid line of reasoning... 99Forever Nov 2013 #384
To suppress free speech in the name of protecting women is dangerous and wrong Major Nikon Nov 2013 #148
No, it's just about porn. Any porn. Union Scribe Nov 2013 #169
No it isn't. The entire discussion began in response to the UK decision BainsBane Nov 2013 #337
Who are you to judge BainsBane Nov 2013 #121
I didn't say "liberals shouldn't ever judge," now did I? 99Forever Nov 2013 #125
So everyone but me? BainsBane Nov 2013 #133
I don't owe you "answers" to your out of line "questions." 99Forever Nov 2013 #383
LOL...that is not exactly what I would call a pass... renie408 Nov 2013 #107
Post removed Post removed Nov 2013 #52
Enslaved women and children can't consent either BainsBane Nov 2013 #109
What makes you think that everyone on the thread was a liberal. Right wingers mfcorey1 Nov 2013 #55
Having read the responses to this thread, Big Blue Marble Nov 2013 #440
I just realized this is the second crazy thread we've had about this in two days. Kurska Nov 2013 #90
Where do I place an order? In_The_Wind Nov 2013 #335
Faulty reasoning in OP. last1standing Nov 2013 #98
This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass Nov 2013 #110
You seriously don't know the difference? last1standing Nov 2013 #208
This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass Nov 2013 #242
You've seen it. It sounds like you didn't understand it. last1standing Nov 2013 #254
This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass Nov 2013 #266
As I said, it appears you do not understand. last1standing Nov 2013 #268
This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass Nov 2013 #273
LOL. You don't understand and refuse to learn. last1standing Nov 2013 #334
This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass Nov 2013 #341
I was very rude not to give you an answer that fit into your "worldview." last1standing Nov 2013 #344
This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass Nov 2013 #352
I'm sorry you can't handle a world where people don't follow your dictates. last1standing Nov 2013 #359
Who in the world defended torture of women for sexual gratification? ogradda Nov 2013 #104
Really, you missed it? BainsBane Nov 2013 #105
The topics are being blurred by people putting Fantasy orpupilofnature57 Nov 2013 #108
So the movies depicting rapes or violence are real? Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #131
Yes, and watching lions eat a human being is educational orpupilofnature57 Nov 2013 #455
It's certainly none of your business either way. Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #459
Hail you, and your defense of " Artistic Rape " Talk about abuse of Liberty orpupilofnature57 Nov 2013 #499
Whatever you say. Still doesnt change the 1st Amendment Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #500
I checked in 7 times on what is clearly MISANTHROPE orpupilofnature57 Nov 2013 #106
Hey...wait a minute! nt msanthrope Nov 2013 #123
NO NO I've read your posts, your msanthrope... orpupilofnature57 Nov 2013 #453
Long thread ahead!!! Dorian Gray Nov 2013 #112
I hear you. renie408 Nov 2013 #114
A woman who fantasizes about rape doesn't want to be raped, but a man that does, wants to rape? Bonobo Nov 2013 #115
women are good Niceguy1 Nov 2013 #149
That all depends on who's point of view you're reading. In_The_Wind Nov 2013 #336
A hit it and quit it OP. JaneyVee Nov 2013 #120
Oh, the vanilla....nt msanthrope Nov 2013 #124
love my vanilla, with topping of chocolate, strawberry and marshmallow. add some whip cream, nuts seabeyond Nov 2013 #126
Sea, the adults are not talking about ice cream. I'm not interested in engaging in playful msanthrope Nov 2013 #135
msanthrope, you threw out a jab. i countered. tell me about ... adults. nt seabeyond Nov 2013 #137
Indeed...I. appreciate your confirmation of the tag teaming. nt msanthrope Nov 2013 #143
really? create your own reality, dear? oh, and make sure you are the victim seabeyond Nov 2013 #147
Do not call me 'dear.' nt msanthrope Nov 2013 #159
what happened to this free speech you all are talking about. wowsers. nt seabeyond Nov 2013 #160
I thought you had no desire to participate? EOTE Nov 2013 #181
lol lo. you are cute eote. always have been, always will be seabeyond Nov 2013 #183
Awww, shucks. nt EOTE Nov 2013 #184
Indeed. The next time you harass Skinner about adding certain words to the TOS msanthrope Nov 2013 #190
so then, we should do away with the ToS? I really do not understand what you are saying here ... Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2013 #194
I happen to think the TOS is a work of genius as it stands. And I think msanthrope Nov 2013 #214
dear should be a no no word. bah hahahahah. hey woman, outta here. seabeyond Nov 2013 #206
uh oh. am i allowed to use woman? seabeyond Nov 2013 #209
Excellent. Then you should have no problem with men on this board addressing you as 'Dear.' msanthrope Nov 2013 #218
take it up with California Peggy who addresses everyone as Dear. Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2013 #228
California Peggy is sui generis. And she doesn't use it as an insult. nt msanthrope Nov 2013 #257
I really don't know if sea meant it as an insult but, you took it that way, I understand. Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2013 #280
again, as a lawyer, you know your argument fails. YOU say freedom of speech. YOU told me not to use seabeyond Nov 2013 #246
Freedom of speech applies to the government. It has nothing to do with you msanthrope Nov 2013 #261
ohhh, you got me.... seabeyond Nov 2013 #265
Gonna let you get back to the thread where you wonder if a 14-year old boy should be shown porn msanthrope Nov 2013 #274
o.k. seabeyond Nov 2013 #275
ROFLMAO -- It's been deleted! Systematic Chaos Nov 2013 #465
Oh yes...it has. nt msanthrope Nov 2013 #466
I think there is something wrong with people watching this type of porn itsrobert Nov 2013 #128
That sums this up perfectly Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #132
This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass Nov 2013 #146
So who is going to help them? Major Nikon Nov 2013 #153
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What you describe is now widely considered quackery Major Nikon Nov 2013 #161
This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass Nov 2013 #174
So Major Nikon Nov 2013 #182
This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass Nov 2013 #237
You're mixing and matching terminology Major Nikon Nov 2013 #256
This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass Nov 2013 #272
I never said the DSM believes it is quackery Major Nikon Nov 2013 #284
This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass Nov 2013 #291
Sadism and sexual sadism are not the same thing Major Nikon Nov 2013 #313
This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass Nov 2013 #326
Relevance comes to mind Major Nikon Nov 2013 #339
This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass Nov 2013 #353
I agree. laundry_queen Nov 2013 #179
You used the same comparison that came to my mind. Cutting. KittyWampus Nov 2013 #186
SSD requires lack of consent Major Nikon Nov 2013 #202
People who cut themselves do need help. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #224
I don't think it's normal. laundry_queen Nov 2013 #252
So, people who participate in BDSM need help? Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #253
WTF does this have to do with gay people? laundry_queen Nov 2013 #300
I know, right?? BuddhaGirl Nov 2013 #422
lol, i gotta say the judgement then i dont judge made me guffaw loli phabay Nov 2013 #244
do you believe in ignoring sick people? Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2013 #282
Whaaaaaaa???? Rex Nov 2013 #138
Not everything is a "liberal" vs "conservative" argument... cbdo2007 Nov 2013 #150
One question I have is how anyone who consumes porn can call themselves a feminist. ancianita Nov 2013 #155
What about erotica? Can we consume that? nt msanthrope Nov 2013 #156
Don't know how it's defined. Probably, but in that industry, equal pay for equal work and all... ancianita Nov 2013 #162
Erotica is what you masturbate to. Porn is what other people use. nt msanthrope Nov 2013 #185
Are you suggesting that the porn industry is sexist against males? EOTE Nov 2013 #189
If I am,it's not that, but the industry does have a predominantly male market, so I'd ancianita Nov 2013 #405
Yes, that's exactly right. EOTE Nov 2013 #517
I haven't fought tirelessly against men in porn, that's for sure. Men as a group have 90% ancianita Nov 2013 #518
No, I don't go about specifically advocating for unionization of porn stars. EOTE Nov 2013 #519
Fair point that I was mistaken. Yet it's the exception in the economic scheme of pay for men/women. ancianita Nov 2013 #521
Yes. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #191
What. I'm being dimwitted? ancianita Nov 2013 #195
I don't know how it's a turn-on. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #211
Depends on the fictional consent part, doesn't it. Ripe for production abuse, no? Isn't the ancianita Nov 2013 #229
Yay! Time for pulling bullshit out of one's posterior!! jeff47 Nov 2013 #249
It's telling that people can't make an argument against consenting adult behavior WITHOUT dragging Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #502
Come off your high horse DragonBorn Nov 2013 #285
Why's a question got to reveal I'm on some "high horse." Why can't it reveal that I'm trying ancianita Nov 2013 #306
This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass Nov 2013 #320
That has been an issue of 3rd wave Feminism One_Life_To_Give Nov 2013 #298
Only if your idea of feminism is one in which women are helpless beings. last1standing Nov 2013 #357
There are entire branches of feminism LadyHawkAZ Nov 2013 #397
Out of the park.... opiate69 Nov 2013 #400
Woot, there it is! +1000. nt. polly7 Nov 2013 #401
That other thread was too long Capt. Obvious Nov 2013 #157
Blockbusters are violence. Dr. Strange Nov 2013 #263
Long threads are emptiness Capt. Obvious Nov 2013 #277
And cleanliness is godliness. EOTE Nov 2013 #292
And you see beyond the happiness in slavery Capt. Obvious Nov 2013 #297
Liberalism and morality are two different things. rrneck Nov 2013 #164
Simple answer LittleBlue Nov 2013 #175
You really think that ALL porn is acting? you do realize that there is a whole set of Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2013 #286
Drinking is not healthy LittleBlue Nov 2013 #302
It's not liberal to throw people in jail for the type of fiction they read/watch/create. JVS Nov 2013 #176
Support the Klans right to say sick shit too One_Life_To_Give Nov 2013 #180
How convenient then that the Klan gollygee Nov 2013 #231
well its pretty much covered in the autoeroticism videos loli phabay Nov 2013 #247
"The ACLU does not support pornography. But we do oppose virtually all forms of censorship. " One_Life_To_Give Nov 2013 #271
If you're going to start a thread about it, at least educate yourself on the topic. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #187
Exactly. Dommes are very popular in bdsm and if they are professional they are well-paid. anneboleyn Nov 2013 #212
extremely well paid is an understatement. loli phabay Nov 2013 #248
What people don't understand ismnotwasm Nov 2013 #188
Well said. I'm learning a lot. ancianita Nov 2013 #197
I could make the same argument about furniture. jeff47 Nov 2013 #255
BSMD is not rape porn ismnotwasm Nov 2013 #304
In both cases, it appears that someone is being forced to do something. jeff47 Nov 2013 #327
"There are many, many other factors that have lead to the "decrease in rapes" " Major Nikon Nov 2013 #411
Yours is the only response expressing what is important. When you said: freshwest Dec 2013 #531
Short version: "WAY too much sex and violence in the movies and on TV. " Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #193
that is not a progressive vs. conservative issue as much as libertarian vs. conscience yurbud Nov 2013 #200
More like, my body my rules Kurska Nov 2013 #205
that kind of porn is a symptom of a problem not a cause yurbud Nov 2013 #213
it could also be a sign of a problem, I think - Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2013 #235
ok yurbud Nov 2013 #427
My concern about rape porn is that it can desensitize some people who watch it. hrmjustin Nov 2013 #226
As far as desensitization goes, LadyHawkAZ Nov 2013 #415
I am not sure the desnsitization has already happened when the person types the hrmjustin Nov 2013 #417
I'm curious why you would think that LadyHawkAZ Nov 2013 #419
If someone is curious and look it up they are not desensitized by it yet. hrmjustin Nov 2013 #421
I'd have to disagree with you LadyHawkAZ Nov 2013 #423
Ok well we disagree on this. hrmjustin Nov 2013 #424
I am with the OP and Bainsbane on this one... Tikki Nov 2013 #241
Thanks, this is really where I fear it leads Tumbulu Nov 2013 #407
I regard it as a desensitizing form of "entertainment" Scootaloo Nov 2013 #251
Wow. Very offensive to the entire BDSM community, in which domination "scenes" anneboleyn Nov 2013 #307
Do you get off on seeing someone attacked and raped? Scootaloo Nov 2013 #311
You should have trashed that thread as soon as you saw it like I did... Iggo Nov 2013 #283
Never come to San Francisco Prism Nov 2013 #308
I often come to SF Tumbulu Nov 2013 #408
Dore Alley would wreck some people in this thread Prism Nov 2013 #413
I do not see torture and rape as sexuality Tumbulu Nov 2013 #428
But they are a part of sexuality Prism Nov 2013 #432
Am I right, you think that simply because hurting women fits into someone's idea of sex Tumbulu Nov 2013 #433
This is what I mean by lack of knowledge Prism Nov 2013 #434
It is my business that women are raped for profit Tumbulu Nov 2013 #435
The rape apologists in this thread make me sick! KitSileya Nov 2013 #309
Nobody in this thread is defending rape. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #314
Oh, I understand it just fine. KitSileya Nov 2013 #316
How do we know actors in R-rated movies consented to taking their clothes off? Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #317
We don't, do we? KitSileya Nov 2013 #323
Please present some sort of evidence that there's a mythology Nov 2013 #414
Here is how you know if actors are consenting mwrguy Nov 2013 #358
So, you say we should ban all rape porn because we can't verify if it is real or not. Kurska Nov 2013 #318
Well, when the murder victim walks off the stage afterwards, it's pretty easy to most of us, KitSileya Nov 2013 #319
It'snot hard to prove it's consensual. rrneck Nov 2013 #321
Yeah, because that sure is a way to prove anyone wasn't pressured or forced. KitSileya Nov 2013 #322
A contract signed under duress is null and void. rrneck Nov 2013 #324
Yes, it would be, wouldn't it. KitSileya Nov 2013 #325
They may be skeezy and creepy rrneck Nov 2013 #330
It's not only skeezy and creepy. KitSileya Nov 2013 #333
If it's indistinguishable it's impossible to prosecute. rrneck Nov 2013 #338
Apparently British lawmakers have decided that fiction or not doesn't matter. KitSileya Nov 2013 #343
That doesn't make them right. rrneck Nov 2013 #349
According to Cameron, they want to make it illegal to possess porn that cannot legally be sold KitSileya Nov 2013 #355
You're right on that score. rrneck Nov 2013 #364
Thanks for the civil discussion. KitSileya Nov 2013 #368
Always a pleasure. rrneck Nov 2013 #378
Exactly. But I'd speculate that suits for either performance or enforcement in either the pimp or ancianita Nov 2013 #328
Good luck with that one. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #347
Me too and thank you for the excellent analogy Tumbulu Nov 2013 #390
its not real bowens43 Nov 2013 #329
and a lot of it is. now what? nt seabeyond Nov 2013 #342
Go after those making the real stuff. EOTE Nov 2013 #350
It is not that simple which you have been educated and abviously recognize. But, you cavalierly seabeyond Nov 2013 #360
Of course it's that simple. EOTE Nov 2013 #361
But many on here are willing to not care so much if it is real or not as long as it is real enough seabeyond Nov 2013 #371
That reply has nothing to do with what I posted. EOTE Nov 2013 #516
being a liberal is not always convenient. aikoaiko Nov 2013 #332
Just some thoughts from someone who works for a place that makes "rape porn". HappyinLA Nov 2013 #340
welcome to du gopiscrap Nov 2013 #345
Thanks for making it clear for us. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #348
One question. Why do you support sex slavery? EOTE Nov 2013 #354
Surely you will acknowledge that not all porn is made that way BainsBane Nov 2013 #363
So basically... Blue_Adept Nov 2013 #375
No, not all is made that way HappyinLA Nov 2013 #388
This makes the most sense in this thread Major Nikon Nov 2013 #420
And so do you see yourself as a liberal or a libertarian? Tumbulu Nov 2013 #393
So what you're saying is... Blue_Adept Nov 2013 #395
I am sorry, I do not understand your post Tumbulu Nov 2013 #404
Very interesting. Welcome! nt Demo_Chris Nov 2013 #398
Oh great, another one of these booley Nov 2013 #366
A great thread Blue_Adept Nov 2013 #372
I am so sick of this crap. Trashing thread. liberal_at_heart Nov 2013 #376
You seem to give women very little or no credit TroglodyteScholar Nov 2013 #379
There is nothing false about my assumption that torturing people Tumbulu Nov 2013 #392
So in the case of a woman who willingly participates in something you don't like... TroglodyteScholar Nov 2013 #396
It sounds like a libertarian position, not a liberal position Tumbulu Nov 2013 #406
How does one's private sexual behavior become "advocating" in your mind? TroglodyteScholar Nov 2013 #409
My post and this discussion is not about what people do in private Tumbulu Nov 2013 #429
It must be hard on the knees jumping to those sorts of conclusions mythology Nov 2013 #418
I know of no one into BDSM and am not even sure what it is Tumbulu Nov 2013 #430
as another postet said you need to join a site like fetlife so you can see how common kink is loli phabay Nov 2013 #476
"I have yet to meet one who wants to be hurt, beaten or raped or have anything violent done to them" opiate69 Nov 2013 #425
its tempting to make an account and walk some posters through the site so they can see loli phabay Nov 2013 #477
Because people don't truly understand what porn is all about. duffyduff Nov 2013 #382
I think many do understand what consent means booley Nov 2013 #385
That's too blunt an instrument Orrex Nov 2013 #387
So true, nt Tumbulu Nov 2013 #394
Financial pressures to work in fast food or retail isn't "consent" either. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #412
So, you think working at McDonalds Tumbulu Nov 2013 #436
It is metaphorically "rape". Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #437
I have had demeaning jobs, plenty of them Tumbulu Nov 2013 #438
It's highly offensive that you would think there's no comparison. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #439
Sorry, you lost your credibility with this line Tumbulu Nov 2013 #450
Rape porn is creepy CFLDem Nov 2013 #389
I agree. Jamastiene Nov 2013 #410
I think you are having trouble distinguishing reality from theater XRubicon Nov 2013 #416
Sorry, violence against women for pleasure Tumbulu Nov 2013 #431
Banning simulation is akin to thought crime TransitJohn Nov 2013 #426
You have no concern over sex slaves, or the effect that Tumbulu Nov 2013 #469
Uh, what? TransitJohn Nov 2013 #479
Uhm, let me introduce you to the real world Tumbulu Nov 2013 #481
Why does porn always devalue into a debate over women's rights? Drunken Irishman Nov 2013 #448
This discussion is about how I get the idea that members of DU Tumbulu Nov 2013 #449
Why do you continue to focus on women? Drunken Irishman Nov 2013 #451
You're tilting at a windmill with that poster. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #452
I do not watch porn at all, so all these genres are unfamiliar to me Tumbulu Nov 2013 #457
If you don't watch it, then what concern is it to you? Drunken Irishman Nov 2013 #458
How about the fact that it normalizes violent behavior ? Tumbulu Nov 2013 #467
you know i know nothing about baseball, as i dont watch it loli phabay Nov 2013 #475
One of my alltime favorite films is A Clockwork Orange. Quantess Nov 2013 #460
This is about my quest to understand if this DU approval of violent rape porn Tumbulu Nov 2013 #468
I don't like porn. NaturalHigh Nov 2013 #463
But is it a liberal position to not care about the effect of violent rape porn on the Tumbulu Nov 2013 #470
Elsewhere on this site you have someone posting a study that defines blowjobs as "violent acts" Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #471
+1 NaturalHigh Nov 2013 #473
This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass Nov 2013 #480
My agenda is to understand how someone calling themselves liberal Tumbulu Nov 2013 #487
And what you're doing is setting up straw enemies & placing them on yr. own semantic playing field. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #489
You honestly think that hurting Tumbulu Nov 2013 #493
Direct Quote: "You honestly think that hurting People on purpose is part of being liberal?" Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #501
Well, I find this hard to believe. Tumbulu Nov 2013 #503
"And there is nothing stuffed shirt about caring for people" Bonobo Nov 2013 #507
Straw Man Argument. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #509
See Warren's reply to you. NaturalHigh Nov 2013 #474
I've been avoiding this subject pretty carefully. FedUpWithIt All Nov 2013 #510
It is very sad to me Tumbulu Nov 2013 #512
I love woman and would say most people here do . orpupilofnature57 Nov 2013 #515
As a Liberal BuddhaGirl Nov 2013 #520
Difference is you and your husband are enjoying porn orpupilofnature57 Nov 2013 #522
There is simulated rape in BDSM porn BuddhaGirl Nov 2013 #525
Bingo, I did . But I don't in a rape film, unless like You " Simulation " orpupilofnature57 Nov 2013 #526
see post #471 BuddhaGirl Nov 2013 #528
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