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In reply to the discussion: Defending Assange against sexual assault allegations [View all]msanthrope
(37,549 posts)325. You are making assertions that make it obvious that you have not read
the Belmarsh decision. I think you would ask more pertinent and erudite questions if you read that document.
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Actually, there are many ways in which this case is not like Steubenville at all.
Hissyspit
Dec 2013
#272
If anyone has the original document of the 2nd International Arrest Warrant for Assange
BainsBane
Dec 2013
#16
The reason Assange has lost so much support in the UK is because people there read
msanthrope
Dec 2013
#38
WHAT???? Did you not read the parts about the evidence given by witnesses? Assange called
msanthrope
Dec 2013
#221
Nonsense. Assange's witnesses...and his sworn deposition testified as to the
msanthrope
Dec 2013
#306
In this thread, BB has substantively addressed and demoloshed every argument I've seen
Recursion
Dec 2013
#17
After forty some years of standing up & fighting against political persecution...
countryjake
Dec 2013
#291
Assange isn't Wikleaks. Sweden doesn't have an arrest warrant out for Wikileaks
BainsBane
Dec 2013
#355
The screaming hypocrisy can be elucidated by recognizing that this same group would be assange's
GoneFishin
Dec 2013
#377
I think you're incorrect about the interview, and let me try to explain why....
msanthrope
Dec 2013
#363
I noticed that same thing. Accused Msanthrope of being "acerbic" but is ten times more hostile
Number23
Dec 2013
#185
lol You have terribly and VASTLY overestimated your affect on my psyche or your ability to read it
Number23
Dec 2013
#261
If you have the requisite courage to talk to a stranger on the Internet, please do.
DisgustipatedinCA
Dec 2013
#260
I agree. Rape needs to be stopped! If a person of power needs to be tried, let it happen ...
In_The_Wind
Dec 2013
#29
I remember for a while people were saying the rape allegation was just about a "broken condom."
Nine
Dec 2013
#26
This is the first OP of yours I can remember whole heartedly agreeing with. nt
msanthrope
Dec 2013
#27
"The b--tch set me up". really? this is the man i am suppose to respect. fuck him.. nt
seabeyond
Dec 2013
#30
You are using a story by a disgusting anti-Semite and Wikileaks employee that
msanthrope
Dec 2013
#32
Note also that the article provides the names of the sexual assault victims.
geek tragedy
Dec 2013
#61
Four people disagreed with you. To say that proves "misogyny is rampant here" is a stretch.
Comrade Grumpy
Dec 2013
#129
Majority of the jury voted to keep it. Misogyny and citing holocaust deniers along
geek tragedy
Dec 2013
#95
Sure, because victim-shaming is okay if the alleged sexual assult perp is the star
geek tragedy
Dec 2013
#110
"Has nothing to do with the NSA, "empire," authoritarianism, or one's views of government."
Vashta Nerada
Dec 2013
#35
Except that he doesn't say that he didn't do it. His own sworn deposition simply states
stevenleser
Dec 2013
#59
Post #220 is exactly what I said. He does not deny the facts of the case he disagrees with the
stevenleser
Dec 2013
#333
So it's just a coincidence that all of the people who vigorously promote those flimsy charges also
Marr
Dec 2013
#53
it must be difficult for you... looking at the acts alleged on that warrant,
msanthrope
Dec 2013
#156
No, I'm saying your belief in Assange's guilt is directly related to your position on NSA spying.
Marr
Dec 2013
#184
That's because the legal argument in which you speak was directed at extradition
Major Nikon
Dec 2013
#178
You're using a long-discredited opnion piece by Naomi Wolf as a legal argument?
msanthrope
Dec 2013
#193
I'll let you work the google so you can figure out why a 3 year old rape apologia
msanthrope
Dec 2013
#307
I think you fundamentally misapprehend something here, so let me try again.
msanthrope
Dec 2013
#319
Exactly...the judge was bound to the warrant because Assange didn't dispute the acts alleged.
msanthrope
Dec 2013
#334
Exactly....because Assange did not raise 'innocence' as a ground for non-extradition,
msanthrope
Dec 2013
#366
You know....you are conflating a lot of different issues and you don't seem to
msanthrope
Dec 2013
#371
You mean his testimony on a matter completely unrelated to Assange's guilt or innocence?
Major Nikon
Dec 2013
#376
Yes--that testimony that tells us that upon learning of his imminent arrest, Assange fled Sweden.
msanthrope
Dec 2013
#382
That's not proof...that what the judge found Hurtig lied about. Again...you
msanthrope
Dec 2013
#389
You mean when the judge used the word "prevarication" to describe Hurtig's testimony, right?
msanthrope
Dec 2013
#393
When you start quoting from the decision, then we'll have something to talk about
Major Nikon
Dec 2013
#395
Prevarication is not only a direct quote but was discussed upthread, extensively.
msanthrope
Dec 2013
#397
The OP insists his position on the charges has nothing to do with his position on the NSA.
Marr
Dec 2013
#69
Three people, including me, are telling you that they take no position on the NSA.
Sheldon Cooper
Dec 2013
#74
Is it just a coincidence that your claim is 100% unsubstantiated and likely false? nt
geek tragedy
Dec 2013
#64
Yes, anyone who criticizes Assange and thinks he's trying to avoid culpability for his
geek tragedy
Dec 2013
#93
I have vigorously opposed the NSA and other invasions to the point of having posts hidden
Nuclear Unicorn
Dec 2013
#80
"I'm not a defender of Assange, I just think all of his accusers are part of a conspiracy
geek tragedy
Dec 2013
#94
Some could be-- I don't know. What I *do* know is that I've noticed a correlation between
Marr
Dec 2013
#118
Sure. Which is why it's important to discuss the FACTS of his criminal case
geek tragedy
Dec 2013
#124
"But it is foolish...to think that the law is never used to discredit people for political purposes"
Nuclear Unicorn
Dec 2013
#103
Setting him up in ostensibly neutral Sweden for a easily understood crime works much better
FarCenter
Dec 2013
#149
Assange will have his own counsel to bring to testimony any facts he sees fit. n/t
Nuclear Unicorn
Dec 2013
#81
I second Nuclear Unicorn's #80. This is solid work and agree with this wholeheartedly.
stevenleser
Dec 2013
#89
You "appear" to have a misplaced and extreme naive faith and belief in the forces
Zorra
Dec 2013
#125
Maybe the evidence that Sweden was complicit in some of the "rendition" flights?
hobbit709
Dec 2013
#135
Because Assange was always in the embassy. He wasn't walking around London before that.
jeff47
Dec 2013
#141
Selective naivete, I think. It goes with the selective ignorance and selective principles that have
Egalitarian Thug
Dec 2013
#285
the entire statement is false. Assange does not claim the charges are trumped up
BainsBane
Dec 2013
#164
Fine. But, there are certainly some here who have decided he is guilty.
Tierra_y_Libertad
Dec 2013
#173
Based on your request for links it is evident you didn't read it with out some degree
Soundman
Dec 2013
#215
Shameless. The Guardian: 8/22/10 ~ "WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange denies rape allegations"
Zorra
Dec 2013
#220
Only crickets I'm hearing are the ones that indicate a lack of reply to post 301....
msanthrope
Dec 2013
#327
Blah blah blah anybody who questions authority or exposes wrongdoing by your beloved authorities
Zorra
Dec 2013
#335
Describing someone as authoritarian who almost always supports, and who rarely or never
Zorra
Dec 2013
#337
And has since admitted the allegations while denying they constituted rape.
Spider Jerusalem
Dec 2013
#301
Oh, yeah, Julian thought a sleeping person was consenting to unprotected sex.
joshcryer
Dec 2013
#348
As we both know, fighting fascism is a lifetime commitment, until further notice.
Zorra
Dec 2013
#282
I was under the impression he was actually wanted for questioning in connection with allegations.
dipsydoodle
Dec 2013
#146
And now try "I raped the girl, but they are only prosecuting me because I am a political dissident"
stevenleser
Dec 2013
#222
One simple solution would be for the US to assure him that he wouldn't also be
Warren DeMontague
Dec 2013
#189
I wanted to get across that I do not think he committed a crime regarding Manning's leak.
jeff47
Dec 2013
#209
"The question for now is what you each of us here on DU is: Are you someone who believes some people
Hissyspit
Dec 2013
#237
I kinda feel that way about those who try to label their ideological opponents as rape apologists
Major Nikon
Dec 2013
#253
"We released over ten years of emails from the CIU and those climate scientists. . . "
ucrdem
Dec 2013
#242
You mean somewhere rape victims are considered human beings who actually matter?
BainsBane
Dec 2013
#269
You mean somewhere where people are considered innocent until proven guilty?
Hissyspit
Dec 2013
#289
It's simple...they must add a bit of truth, if they want to make their lies believable, to those
Zorra
Dec 2013
#286
Sorry, no cigar. There's no excuse for lending credence to the Climategate smears.
ucrdem
Dec 2013
#298
I falsely thought Wikileaks released everything but the "insurance" file proves they don't.
joshcryer
Dec 2013
#362
The first with the description, having read comments, appears neutral. I'll go along:
freshwest
Dec 2013
#380
Damn, you nailed it. Which is probably why his political party has already gone the
Number23
Dec 2013
#357
I appreciate that you are now calling Assange "this particular accused rapist."
Jim Lane
Dec 2013
#359
Note the utter victim shaming---the repeat of the utter lie that that the victim was paid. nt
msanthrope
Dec 2013
#384
"Another is that the alleged victim seems to have been paid to make them and stick to them."
msanthrope
Dec 2013
#390
Why don't you simply explain why you clearly misrepresented his statement?
Major Nikon
Dec 2013
#396
Right...keep trying to mitigate post 353. I think the more attention you draw to that
msanthrope
Dec 2013
#398
Strawman. There's nothing to mitigate. I'm asking why you misrepresented his statement.
Major Nikon
Dec 2013
#400
Um..no. Kindly read the allegations--the specific acts on the warrant listed above
msanthrope
Dec 2013
#383