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In reply to the discussion: Liberals and violent porn and rape simulation [View all]orpupilofnature57
(15,472 posts)499. Hail you, and your defense of " Artistic Rape " Talk about abuse of Liberty
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Actually, if the rape isn't real and it is between consenting adults it is not your business.
Kurska
Nov 2013
#21
Wait a second here, you seem to arguing that extreme forms of sexuality should be banned
Kurska
Nov 2013
#269
What you think in your head is my business and I'll throw you in jail if I don't like it.
Kurska
Nov 2013
#270
Exactly. What on earth is wrong with someone that needs to watch that stuff to get off.
smirkymonkey
Dec 2013
#532
If this is all about the harm to women, I'm a gay man with a consenting gay partner
Kurska
Nov 2013
#14
Nope. I get it. It's about consent, and the identity that comes from entitlement
ancianita
Nov 2013
#166
And... that porn that was already illegal includes consensual depiction of simulated criminality.
Kurska
Nov 2013
#87
I don't think that telling women *and only women* what they should do "for their own good"
lumberjack_jeff
Nov 2013
#492
Our society is somehow able to differniate between real and fake murders everyday.
Kurska
Nov 2013
#514
"If by things I find objectionable you mean slavery and rape," No I don't mean that
Kurska
Nov 2013
#73
The law makes it a crime to possess porn that has rape in it, whether that rape is real or not.
Kurska
Nov 2013
#82
By that logic, you would also ban BDSM because it increases propensity for sadism.
Bonobo
Nov 2013
#92
Is means equal to. Porn is not equal to fiction. Unless you are pulling a Bill Clinton -
Tuesday Afternoon
Nov 2013
#219
I thought the Blair Witch Project was stupid and boring. and, just how many Rates of Porn are there?
Tuesday Afternoon
Nov 2013
#264
So if rape porn does have a story (no reason it can't and I'm sure it often does)
Kurska
Nov 2013
#287
are you trying to put words in my mouth? I have never said anythihng about banning
Tuesday Afternoon
Nov 2013
#290
That is an interesting question. So if it's not commercial and you happen across a video
cui bono
Nov 2013
#102
Do you think you have the right to get off on a real live rape being committed on a victim?
seabeyond
Nov 2013
#365
No, but I'm dying to hear how that question isn't a wild non-sequitur to what I said. n/t
Silent3
Nov 2013
#380
No. And honestly I doubt it was anything near what they're talking about being illegal anyway.
cui bono
Nov 2013
#462
Supporting something and not wanting it to be illegal are two different things.
Silent3
Nov 2013
#464
Exactly, what the hell is wrong with people if they need to watch images of women being raped and
smirkymonkey
Nov 2013
#523
Would you have a link to any of those studies? I'd like to have a look. Thanks. nt
rrneck
Nov 2013
#170
now this is a legitimate question and I also would be interested in the links. n/t
Tuesday Afternoon
Nov 2013
#279
I know people who work for Kink.com. They are not slaves. They are well-paid.
Comrade Grumpy
Nov 2013
#258
Your post assumes there are no men who get off on submitting themselves to torture from a woman
Threedifferentones
Nov 2013
#281
We don't really disagree actually, in fact you practically repeated me.
Threedifferentones
Nov 2013
#362
If you were going to make a homemade rape video with gf who did not want to do it,
seabeyond
Nov 2013
#367
If I made a homemade rape video of my GF, then presumably she would have me arrested with that proof
Threedifferentones
Nov 2013
#369
You simply show ignorance and dismissal to rape victims and spousal abuse. No surprise
seabeyond
Nov 2013
#373
Again we see the fallacy of "consenting adults" that those who defend porn tell themselves
BainsBane
Nov 2013
#3
"I shouldn't be able to do that because you don't like it?" Thats exactly what I'm hearing here too.
Kurska
Nov 2013
#11
It isn't even commercialized half the time, do you really know nothing about this?
Kurska
Nov 2013
#35
Yes, but the point of the OP was not about making it illegal or banning it,
smirkymonkey
Dec 2013
#536
This might come as a surprise to you, but people don't actually pick what they find arousing.
Kurska
Dec 2013
#537
What is deregulated freedom? The freedom to beat your kids because you love them? To
ancianita
Nov 2013
#203
I'm not throwing people in jail for consuming FICTION. Not matter how nice the jails are.
Kurska
Nov 2013
#26
Our society has had about a hundred years of differentiating between real and fake murder videos
Kurska
Nov 2013
#221
yawn. that you like to watch it over and over again ... tells me you are the one with
Tuesday Afternoon
Nov 2013
#294
What is it about you that finds women getting raped and brutalized such a turn on?
smirkymonkey
Nov 2013
#524
It's one thing if it's really between two consenting adults, adults who are actually in a
cui bono
Nov 2013
#83
People do softcore porn because of low self esteem and economic necessity as well...
Hippo_Tron
Nov 2013
#441
If you're telling people what kind of FICTION, what kind of NOT REAL stuff they can watch
Kurska
Nov 2013
#5
... I'm a gay man. I've consented many times to being "tortured" as you call it MANY times.
sibelian
Nov 2013
#6
I'm gay too, that is why I'm so disgusted by people seriously advocating making consensual behavior
Kurska
Nov 2013
#9
Absolutely terrifying man, watching fascism masquerading as progress and liberation scares me.
Kurska
Nov 2013
#23
Pretty much every human job throughout history has been performed by a slave at some point
Kurska
Nov 2013
#51
I've known good people who produced brutal violent, yet consenting porn for zero dollars.
Kurska
Nov 2013
#86
Amen, Sibelian. The bias against BDSM, the refusal to understand that it is a large
anneboleyn
Nov 2013
#204
CONSENT is the operative word here. Slaves and minors, by definition, can NOT give consent.
Tuesday Afternoon
Nov 2013
#295
Some people seem to think women need to be protected from their own bodies and sexuality.
Kurska
Nov 2013
#19
My lord there is a million pieces of pretty brutal porn out there with perfectly consenting women.
Kurska
Nov 2013
#29
No you see, a couple can produce a video between themselves and then give it away for free.
Kurska
Nov 2013
#84
Pokemon products are produced with slave labor as well. Are you for banning Pokemon?
EOTE
Nov 2013
#151
I'm going to go out on a limb and say literally no one in this thread agrees with slave porn.
Kurska
Nov 2013
#45
I won't consume simulated rape porn, but I'll defend it as free expression.
DisgustipatedinCA
Nov 2013
#399
Magazine covers also depict women as objects whose sole purpose is fulfillment of male fantasy...
Hippo_Tron
Nov 2013
#446
We'll have to respectfully disagree on this one, I get where you're coming from
Hippo_Tron
Nov 2013
#456
Telling CONSENTING adults what they can and can't do is a far right position
Major Nikon
Nov 2013
#80
The actors who sign the release forms and cash the checks are consenting. n/t
lumberjack_jeff
Nov 2013
#165
So are the workers at Walmart. They are "consenting" too, but the wages and conditions suck.
KittyWampus
Nov 2013
#192
You don't get to take away civil liberties just because psychos find inspiration from them sometimes
phleshdef
Nov 2013
#527
Well, surely you understand the problem regulating international labor generally, right?
BainsBane
Nov 2013
#93
i wish the poster would just come out and say they dont care if theres consent they just want it
loli phabay
Nov 2013
#238
Congratulations, that's your 1000th conflation between rape/killing and BDSM! You win a lollipop!
EOTE
Nov 2013
#152
To suppress free speech in the name of protecting women is dangerous and wrong
Major Nikon
Nov 2013
#148
I just realized this is the second crazy thread we've had about this in two days.
Kurska
Nov 2013
#90
I was very rude not to give you an answer that fit into your "worldview."
last1standing
Nov 2013
#344
I'm sorry you can't handle a world where people don't follow your dictates.
last1standing
Nov 2013
#359
Hail you, and your defense of " Artistic Rape " Talk about abuse of Liberty
orpupilofnature57
Nov 2013
#499
A woman who fantasizes about rape doesn't want to be raped, but a man that does, wants to rape?
Bonobo
Nov 2013
#115
love my vanilla, with topping of chocolate, strawberry and marshmallow. add some whip cream, nuts
seabeyond
Nov 2013
#126
Sea, the adults are not talking about ice cream. I'm not interested in engaging in playful
msanthrope
Nov 2013
#135
Indeed. The next time you harass Skinner about adding certain words to the TOS
msanthrope
Nov 2013
#190
so then, we should do away with the ToS? I really do not understand what you are saying here ...
Tuesday Afternoon
Nov 2013
#194
Excellent. Then you should have no problem with men on this board addressing you as 'Dear.'
msanthrope
Nov 2013
#218
I really don't know if sea meant it as an insult but, you took it that way, I understand.
Tuesday Afternoon
Nov 2013
#280
again, as a lawyer, you know your argument fails. YOU say freedom of speech. YOU told me not to use
seabeyond
Nov 2013
#246
Gonna let you get back to the thread where you wonder if a 14-year old boy should be shown porn
msanthrope
Nov 2013
#274
One question I have is how anyone who consumes porn can call themselves a feminist.
ancianita
Nov 2013
#155
Don't know how it's defined. Probably, but in that industry, equal pay for equal work and all...
ancianita
Nov 2013
#162
If I am,it's not that, but the industry does have a predominantly male market, so I'd
ancianita
Nov 2013
#405
I haven't fought tirelessly against men in porn, that's for sure. Men as a group have 90%
ancianita
Nov 2013
#518
Fair point that I was mistaken. Yet it's the exception in the economic scheme of pay for men/women.
ancianita
Nov 2013
#521
Depends on the fictional consent part, doesn't it. Ripe for production abuse, no? Isn't the
ancianita
Nov 2013
#229
It's telling that people can't make an argument against consenting adult behavior WITHOUT dragging
Warren DeMontague
Nov 2013
#502
Why's a question got to reveal I'm on some "high horse." Why can't it reveal that I'm trying
ancianita
Nov 2013
#306
Only if your idea of feminism is one in which women are helpless beings.
last1standing
Nov 2013
#357
You really think that ALL porn is acting? you do realize that there is a whole set of
Tuesday Afternoon
Nov 2013
#286
It's not liberal to throw people in jail for the type of fiction they read/watch/create.
JVS
Nov 2013
#176
"The ACLU does not support pornography. But we do oppose virtually all forms of censorship. "
One_Life_To_Give
Nov 2013
#271
If you're going to start a thread about it, at least educate yourself on the topic.
Vashta Nerada
Nov 2013
#187
Exactly. Dommes are very popular in bdsm and if they are professional they are well-paid.
anneboleyn
Nov 2013
#212
"There are many, many other factors that have lead to the "decrease in rapes" "
Major Nikon
Nov 2013
#411
that is not a progressive vs. conservative issue as much as libertarian vs. conscience
yurbud
Nov 2013
#200
My concern about rape porn is that it can desensitize some people who watch it.
hrmjustin
Nov 2013
#226
I am not sure the desnsitization has already happened when the person types the
hrmjustin
Nov 2013
#417
Wow. Very offensive to the entire BDSM community, in which domination "scenes"
anneboleyn
Nov 2013
#307
Am I right, you think that simply because hurting women fits into someone's idea of sex
Tumbulu
Nov 2013
#433
How do we know actors in R-rated movies consented to taking their clothes off?
Vashta Nerada
Nov 2013
#317
So, you say we should ban all rape porn because we can't verify if it is real or not.
Kurska
Nov 2013
#318
Well, when the murder victim walks off the stage afterwards, it's pretty easy to most of us,
KitSileya
Nov 2013
#319
Yeah, because that sure is a way to prove anyone wasn't pressured or forced.
KitSileya
Nov 2013
#322
Apparently British lawmakers have decided that fiction or not doesn't matter.
KitSileya
Nov 2013
#343
According to Cameron, they want to make it illegal to possess porn that cannot legally be sold
KitSileya
Nov 2013
#355
Exactly. But I'd speculate that suits for either performance or enforcement in either the pimp or
ancianita
Nov 2013
#328
It is not that simple which you have been educated and abviously recognize. But, you cavalierly
seabeyond
Nov 2013
#360
But many on here are willing to not care so much if it is real or not as long as it is real enough
seabeyond
Nov 2013
#371
Just some thoughts from someone who works for a place that makes "rape porn".
HappyinLA
Nov 2013
#340
So in the case of a woman who willingly participates in something you don't like...
TroglodyteScholar
Nov 2013
#396
How does one's private sexual behavior become "advocating" in your mind?
TroglodyteScholar
Nov 2013
#409
as another postet said you need to join a site like fetlife so you can see how common kink is
loli phabay
Nov 2013
#476
"I have yet to meet one who wants to be hurt, beaten or raped or have anything violent done to them"
opiate69
Nov 2013
#425
its tempting to make an account and walk some posters through the site so they can see
loli phabay
Nov 2013
#477
Financial pressures to work in fast food or retail isn't "consent" either.
Vashta Nerada
Nov 2013
#412
But is it a liberal position to not care about the effect of violent rape porn on the
Tumbulu
Nov 2013
#470
Elsewhere on this site you have someone posting a study that defines blowjobs as "violent acts"
Warren DeMontague
Nov 2013
#471
And what you're doing is setting up straw enemies & placing them on yr. own semantic playing field.
Warren DeMontague
Nov 2013
#489
Direct Quote: "You honestly think that hurting People on purpose is part of being liberal?"
Warren DeMontague
Nov 2013
#501
Bingo, I did . But I don't in a rape film, unless like You " Simulation "
orpupilofnature57
Nov 2013
#526