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In reply to the discussion: Liberals and violent porn and rape simulation [View all]laundry_queen
(8,646 posts)179. I agree.
I liken it to people who, for instance, like to cut. Now, do we leave people who cut their arms up and bleed all over the place because, "hey, it's their choice! Their body!" No we don't. We recognize it's not healthy behavior and people often end up getting sent somewhere where they can get mental help. Same thing here, IMO.
I agree it's sadistic behavior, and people who participate have serious problems. (I don't give a shit what the new DSM says - there has been a shitload of criticism regarding it but at any rate, it only removed it as a personality disorder, it doesn't mean sadism doesn't exist in other disorders. sexual sadistic disorder is still in the DSM-V)
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Actually, if the rape isn't real and it is between consenting adults it is not your business.
Kurska
Nov 2013
#21
Wait a second here, you seem to arguing that extreme forms of sexuality should be banned
Kurska
Nov 2013
#269
What you think in your head is my business and I'll throw you in jail if I don't like it.
Kurska
Nov 2013
#270
Exactly. What on earth is wrong with someone that needs to watch that stuff to get off.
smirkymonkey
Dec 2013
#532
If this is all about the harm to women, I'm a gay man with a consenting gay partner
Kurska
Nov 2013
#14
Nope. I get it. It's about consent, and the identity that comes from entitlement
ancianita
Nov 2013
#166
And... that porn that was already illegal includes consensual depiction of simulated criminality.
Kurska
Nov 2013
#87
I don't think that telling women *and only women* what they should do "for their own good"
lumberjack_jeff
Nov 2013
#492
Our society is somehow able to differniate between real and fake murders everyday.
Kurska
Nov 2013
#514
"If by things I find objectionable you mean slavery and rape," No I don't mean that
Kurska
Nov 2013
#73
The law makes it a crime to possess porn that has rape in it, whether that rape is real or not.
Kurska
Nov 2013
#82
By that logic, you would also ban BDSM because it increases propensity for sadism.
Bonobo
Nov 2013
#92
Is means equal to. Porn is not equal to fiction. Unless you are pulling a Bill Clinton -
Tuesday Afternoon
Nov 2013
#219
I thought the Blair Witch Project was stupid and boring. and, just how many Rates of Porn are there?
Tuesday Afternoon
Nov 2013
#264
So if rape porn does have a story (no reason it can't and I'm sure it often does)
Kurska
Nov 2013
#287
are you trying to put words in my mouth? I have never said anythihng about banning
Tuesday Afternoon
Nov 2013
#290
That is an interesting question. So if it's not commercial and you happen across a video
cui bono
Nov 2013
#102
Do you think you have the right to get off on a real live rape being committed on a victim?
seabeyond
Nov 2013
#365
No, but I'm dying to hear how that question isn't a wild non-sequitur to what I said. n/t
Silent3
Nov 2013
#380
No. And honestly I doubt it was anything near what they're talking about being illegal anyway.
cui bono
Nov 2013
#462
Supporting something and not wanting it to be illegal are two different things.
Silent3
Nov 2013
#464
Exactly, what the hell is wrong with people if they need to watch images of women being raped and
smirkymonkey
Nov 2013
#523
Would you have a link to any of those studies? I'd like to have a look. Thanks. nt
rrneck
Nov 2013
#170
now this is a legitimate question and I also would be interested in the links. n/t
Tuesday Afternoon
Nov 2013
#279
I know people who work for Kink.com. They are not slaves. They are well-paid.
Comrade Grumpy
Nov 2013
#258
Your post assumes there are no men who get off on submitting themselves to torture from a woman
Threedifferentones
Nov 2013
#281
We don't really disagree actually, in fact you practically repeated me.
Threedifferentones
Nov 2013
#362
If you were going to make a homemade rape video with gf who did not want to do it,
seabeyond
Nov 2013
#367
If I made a homemade rape video of my GF, then presumably she would have me arrested with that proof
Threedifferentones
Nov 2013
#369
You simply show ignorance and dismissal to rape victims and spousal abuse. No surprise
seabeyond
Nov 2013
#373
Again we see the fallacy of "consenting adults" that those who defend porn tell themselves
BainsBane
Nov 2013
#3
"I shouldn't be able to do that because you don't like it?" Thats exactly what I'm hearing here too.
Kurska
Nov 2013
#11
It isn't even commercialized half the time, do you really know nothing about this?
Kurska
Nov 2013
#35
Yes, but the point of the OP was not about making it illegal or banning it,
smirkymonkey
Dec 2013
#536
This might come as a surprise to you, but people don't actually pick what they find arousing.
Kurska
Dec 2013
#537
What is deregulated freedom? The freedom to beat your kids because you love them? To
ancianita
Nov 2013
#203
I'm not throwing people in jail for consuming FICTION. Not matter how nice the jails are.
Kurska
Nov 2013
#26
Our society has had about a hundred years of differentiating between real and fake murder videos
Kurska
Nov 2013
#221
yawn. that you like to watch it over and over again ... tells me you are the one with
Tuesday Afternoon
Nov 2013
#294
What is it about you that finds women getting raped and brutalized such a turn on?
smirkymonkey
Nov 2013
#524
It's one thing if it's really between two consenting adults, adults who are actually in a
cui bono
Nov 2013
#83
People do softcore porn because of low self esteem and economic necessity as well...
Hippo_Tron
Nov 2013
#441
If you're telling people what kind of FICTION, what kind of NOT REAL stuff they can watch
Kurska
Nov 2013
#5
... I'm a gay man. I've consented many times to being "tortured" as you call it MANY times.
sibelian
Nov 2013
#6
I'm gay too, that is why I'm so disgusted by people seriously advocating making consensual behavior
Kurska
Nov 2013
#9
Absolutely terrifying man, watching fascism masquerading as progress and liberation scares me.
Kurska
Nov 2013
#23
Pretty much every human job throughout history has been performed by a slave at some point
Kurska
Nov 2013
#51
I've known good people who produced brutal violent, yet consenting porn for zero dollars.
Kurska
Nov 2013
#86
Amen, Sibelian. The bias against BDSM, the refusal to understand that it is a large
anneboleyn
Nov 2013
#204
CONSENT is the operative word here. Slaves and minors, by definition, can NOT give consent.
Tuesday Afternoon
Nov 2013
#295
Some people seem to think women need to be protected from their own bodies and sexuality.
Kurska
Nov 2013
#19
My lord there is a million pieces of pretty brutal porn out there with perfectly consenting women.
Kurska
Nov 2013
#29
No you see, a couple can produce a video between themselves and then give it away for free.
Kurska
Nov 2013
#84
Pokemon products are produced with slave labor as well. Are you for banning Pokemon?
EOTE
Nov 2013
#151
I'm going to go out on a limb and say literally no one in this thread agrees with slave porn.
Kurska
Nov 2013
#45
I won't consume simulated rape porn, but I'll defend it as free expression.
DisgustipatedinCA
Nov 2013
#399
Magazine covers also depict women as objects whose sole purpose is fulfillment of male fantasy...
Hippo_Tron
Nov 2013
#446
We'll have to respectfully disagree on this one, I get where you're coming from
Hippo_Tron
Nov 2013
#456
Telling CONSENTING adults what they can and can't do is a far right position
Major Nikon
Nov 2013
#80
The actors who sign the release forms and cash the checks are consenting. n/t
lumberjack_jeff
Nov 2013
#165
So are the workers at Walmart. They are "consenting" too, but the wages and conditions suck.
KittyWampus
Nov 2013
#192
You don't get to take away civil liberties just because psychos find inspiration from them sometimes
phleshdef
Nov 2013
#527
Well, surely you understand the problem regulating international labor generally, right?
BainsBane
Nov 2013
#93
i wish the poster would just come out and say they dont care if theres consent they just want it
loli phabay
Nov 2013
#238
Congratulations, that's your 1000th conflation between rape/killing and BDSM! You win a lollipop!
EOTE
Nov 2013
#152
To suppress free speech in the name of protecting women is dangerous and wrong
Major Nikon
Nov 2013
#148
I just realized this is the second crazy thread we've had about this in two days.
Kurska
Nov 2013
#90
I was very rude not to give you an answer that fit into your "worldview."
last1standing
Nov 2013
#344
I'm sorry you can't handle a world where people don't follow your dictates.
last1standing
Nov 2013
#359
Hail you, and your defense of " Artistic Rape " Talk about abuse of Liberty
orpupilofnature57
Nov 2013
#499
A woman who fantasizes about rape doesn't want to be raped, but a man that does, wants to rape?
Bonobo
Nov 2013
#115
love my vanilla, with topping of chocolate, strawberry and marshmallow. add some whip cream, nuts
seabeyond
Nov 2013
#126
Sea, the adults are not talking about ice cream. I'm not interested in engaging in playful
msanthrope
Nov 2013
#135
Indeed. The next time you harass Skinner about adding certain words to the TOS
msanthrope
Nov 2013
#190
so then, we should do away with the ToS? I really do not understand what you are saying here ...
Tuesday Afternoon
Nov 2013
#194
Excellent. Then you should have no problem with men on this board addressing you as 'Dear.'
msanthrope
Nov 2013
#218
I really don't know if sea meant it as an insult but, you took it that way, I understand.
Tuesday Afternoon
Nov 2013
#280
again, as a lawyer, you know your argument fails. YOU say freedom of speech. YOU told me not to use
seabeyond
Nov 2013
#246
Gonna let you get back to the thread where you wonder if a 14-year old boy should be shown porn
msanthrope
Nov 2013
#274
One question I have is how anyone who consumes porn can call themselves a feminist.
ancianita
Nov 2013
#155
Don't know how it's defined. Probably, but in that industry, equal pay for equal work and all...
ancianita
Nov 2013
#162
If I am,it's not that, but the industry does have a predominantly male market, so I'd
ancianita
Nov 2013
#405
I haven't fought tirelessly against men in porn, that's for sure. Men as a group have 90%
ancianita
Nov 2013
#518
Fair point that I was mistaken. Yet it's the exception in the economic scheme of pay for men/women.
ancianita
Nov 2013
#521
Depends on the fictional consent part, doesn't it. Ripe for production abuse, no? Isn't the
ancianita
Nov 2013
#229
It's telling that people can't make an argument against consenting adult behavior WITHOUT dragging
Warren DeMontague
Nov 2013
#502
Why's a question got to reveal I'm on some "high horse." Why can't it reveal that I'm trying
ancianita
Nov 2013
#306
Only if your idea of feminism is one in which women are helpless beings.
last1standing
Nov 2013
#357
You really think that ALL porn is acting? you do realize that there is a whole set of
Tuesday Afternoon
Nov 2013
#286
It's not liberal to throw people in jail for the type of fiction they read/watch/create.
JVS
Nov 2013
#176
"The ACLU does not support pornography. But we do oppose virtually all forms of censorship. "
One_Life_To_Give
Nov 2013
#271
If you're going to start a thread about it, at least educate yourself on the topic.
Vashta Nerada
Nov 2013
#187
Exactly. Dommes are very popular in bdsm and if they are professional they are well-paid.
anneboleyn
Nov 2013
#212
"There are many, many other factors that have lead to the "decrease in rapes" "
Major Nikon
Nov 2013
#411
that is not a progressive vs. conservative issue as much as libertarian vs. conscience
yurbud
Nov 2013
#200
My concern about rape porn is that it can desensitize some people who watch it.
hrmjustin
Nov 2013
#226
I am not sure the desnsitization has already happened when the person types the
hrmjustin
Nov 2013
#417
Wow. Very offensive to the entire BDSM community, in which domination "scenes"
anneboleyn
Nov 2013
#307
Am I right, you think that simply because hurting women fits into someone's idea of sex
Tumbulu
Nov 2013
#433
How do we know actors in R-rated movies consented to taking their clothes off?
Vashta Nerada
Nov 2013
#317
So, you say we should ban all rape porn because we can't verify if it is real or not.
Kurska
Nov 2013
#318
Well, when the murder victim walks off the stage afterwards, it's pretty easy to most of us,
KitSileya
Nov 2013
#319
Yeah, because that sure is a way to prove anyone wasn't pressured or forced.
KitSileya
Nov 2013
#322
Apparently British lawmakers have decided that fiction or not doesn't matter.
KitSileya
Nov 2013
#343
According to Cameron, they want to make it illegal to possess porn that cannot legally be sold
KitSileya
Nov 2013
#355
Exactly. But I'd speculate that suits for either performance or enforcement in either the pimp or
ancianita
Nov 2013
#328
It is not that simple which you have been educated and abviously recognize. But, you cavalierly
seabeyond
Nov 2013
#360
But many on here are willing to not care so much if it is real or not as long as it is real enough
seabeyond
Nov 2013
#371
Just some thoughts from someone who works for a place that makes "rape porn".
HappyinLA
Nov 2013
#340
So in the case of a woman who willingly participates in something you don't like...
TroglodyteScholar
Nov 2013
#396
How does one's private sexual behavior become "advocating" in your mind?
TroglodyteScholar
Nov 2013
#409
as another postet said you need to join a site like fetlife so you can see how common kink is
loli phabay
Nov 2013
#476
"I have yet to meet one who wants to be hurt, beaten or raped or have anything violent done to them"
opiate69
Nov 2013
#425
its tempting to make an account and walk some posters through the site so they can see
loli phabay
Nov 2013
#477
Financial pressures to work in fast food or retail isn't "consent" either.
Vashta Nerada
Nov 2013
#412
But is it a liberal position to not care about the effect of violent rape porn on the
Tumbulu
Nov 2013
#470
Elsewhere on this site you have someone posting a study that defines blowjobs as "violent acts"
Warren DeMontague
Nov 2013
#471
And what you're doing is setting up straw enemies & placing them on yr. own semantic playing field.
Warren DeMontague
Nov 2013
#489
Direct Quote: "You honestly think that hurting People on purpose is part of being liberal?"
Warren DeMontague
Nov 2013
#501
Bingo, I did . But I don't in a rape film, unless like You " Simulation "
orpupilofnature57
Nov 2013
#526