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135. Sea, the adults are not talking about ice cream. I'm not interested in engaging in playful

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Fri Nov 22, 2013, 10:07 AM

Nov 2013

banter with you. Please do not presume on our shared sex.

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Liberals and violent porn and rape simulation [View all] Tumbulu Nov 2013 OP

"who consents to being tortured?" ForgoTheConsequence Nov 2013 #1

/end thread Egnever Nov 2013 #2

said it all BainsBane Nov 2013 #4

It's not just about women. ForgoTheConsequence Nov 2013 #10

Rape is my business BainsBane Nov 2013 #17

Actually, if the rape isn't real and it is between consenting adults it is not your business. Kurska Nov 2013 #21

Pretend murder and drug taking is a really weak ass argument. moxybug Nov 2013 #140

Can *you* provide a definitive answer? Orrex Nov 2013 #198

Sure. moxybug Nov 2013 #288

Well, sort of Orrex Nov 2013 #312

what you want to outlaw oral sex. loli phabay Nov 2013 #239

Certainly not moxybug Nov 2013 #293

Is it forcible oral sex.... AgingAmerican Nov 2013 #472

Wait a second here, you seem to arguing that extreme forms of sexuality should be banned Kurska Nov 2013 #269

No moxybug Nov 2013 #289

you are wrong there! Stargazer99 Nov 2013 #243

What you think in your head is my business and I'll throw you in jail if I don't like it. Kurska Nov 2013 #270

Yes, I agree, that is part of the point Tumbulu Nov 2013 #482

Exactly. What on earth is wrong with someone that needs to watch that stuff to get off. smirkymonkey Dec 2013 #532

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2013 #381

If this is all about the harm to women, I'm a gay man with a consenting gay partner Kurska Nov 2013 #14

It isn't about sexuality or sex BainsBane Nov 2013 #22

If the ban was only on COMMERCIAL production of rape porn. Kurska Nov 2013 #49

Looking forward to a response. BB? nt Bonobo Nov 2013 #56

If by things I find objectionable you mean slavery and rape, yes BainsBane Nov 2013 #59

That's called ducking a question. Bonobo Nov 2013 #64

+1000 Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #127

Nope. I get it. It's about consent, and the identity that comes from entitlement ancianita Nov 2013 #166

she did answer the question. Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2013 #201

So you admit you want to ban some fiction based on the content of that fiction Kurska Nov 2013 #66

False BainsBane Nov 2013 #72

You have to be kidding me. Kurska Nov 2013 #74

the law makes illegal possession of already illegal porn BainsBane Nov 2013 #85

And... that porn that was already illegal includes consensual depiction of simulated criminality. Kurska Nov 2013 #87

Well you clearly consider yourself a British legal scholar BainsBane Nov 2013 #91

And I am asking you Tumbulu Nov 2013 #484

I don't think that telling women *and only women* what they should do "for their own good" lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #492

I don't think that protecting people from harm Tumbulu Nov 2013 #498

I want a government that keeps out of my bed room Kurska Nov 2013 #495

Can you tell me why you think that your private life should be protected Tumbulu Nov 2013 #497

My private sexual life causes no harm or lack of protection for women. Kurska Nov 2013 #505

I do not get your point at all Tumbulu Nov 2013 #506

I like how you completely don't include the "consensual" bit in that question. Kurska Nov 2013 #508

So how does one tell the difference Tumbulu Nov 2013 #511

Our society is somehow able to differniate between real and fake murders everyday. Kurska Nov 2013 #514

It is not possible to care about workers Tumbulu Nov 2013 #529

"If by things I find objectionable you mean slavery and rape," No I don't mean that Kurska Nov 2013 #73

Not if there really is consent BainsBane Nov 2013 #77

The law makes it a crime to possess porn that has rape in it, whether that rape is real or not. Kurska Nov 2013 #82

How much have you read? BainsBane Nov 2013 #89

By that logic, you would also ban BDSM because it increases propensity for sadism. Bonobo Nov 2013 #92

There never was a start to the rope Major Nikon Nov 2013 #111

Good point. Bonobo Nov 2013 #113

Par for the course Major Nikon Nov 2013 #118

Bravo! Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #177

Thank you lillypaddle Nov 2013 #240

+1 booley Nov 2013 #370

"I myself have no problem banning all rape porn." FINALLY Kurska Nov 2013 #94

You clearly don't know what fiction is BainsBane Nov 2013 #96

Christ you're good at making up arguments that you can argue against. EOTE Nov 2013 #142

Most people don't proslytize for others, they do so for themselves. nt rrneck Nov 2013 #173

Then someone is in desperate need of convincing. EOTE Nov 2013 #178

It's far from exhausting. rrneck Nov 2013 #196

Porn is fiction. nt rrneck Nov 2013 #172

That sentence is mathematically incorrect therefore a falsehood. Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2013 #199

There was no math in it. rrneck Nov 2013 #207

Is means equal to. Porn is not equal to fiction. Unless you are pulling a Bill Clinton - Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2013 #219

Of course porn is fiction. It's bad fiction, but it's fiction. rrneck Nov 2013 #245

rrneck, you are smarter than this - Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2013 #250

Sure they are. rrneck Nov 2013 #260

I thought the Blair Witch Project was stupid and boring. and, just how many Rates of Porn are there? Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2013 #264

The "rates" of any art form are as unlimited as the human imagination. rrneck Nov 2013 #276

I think this discussion has gone beyond a subthread for the OP. Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2013 #278

I don't just think about it. I live it. ntt rrneck Nov 2013 #301

then you understand what I am saying. -- Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2013 #303

It's all art in one form or another. rrneck Nov 2013 #315

"Porn is not fiction." Kurska Nov 2013 #210

that is also an invalid statement. Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2013 #222

Tell me, porn can have a story right? Kurska Nov 2013 #227

Wait. What? Orrex Nov 2013 #217

I am pretty much in agreement with what you are saying, Orrex. Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2013 #232

Thank you--I confess that I initially missed your point Orrex Nov 2013 #233

exactly! Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2013 #236

So if rape porn does have a story (no reason it can't and I'm sure it often does) Kurska Nov 2013 #287

are you trying to put words in my mouth? I have never said anythihng about banning Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2013 #290

Producers bill it as being real BainsBane Nov 2013 #351

So what if they bill it as being real? Does that make it real? Orrex Nov 2013 #377

It it is advertised as real gollygee Nov 2013 #454

You are missing the entire point of the OP. smirkymonkey Dec 2013 #533

That is an interesting question. So if it's not commercial and you happen across a video cui bono Nov 2013 #102

Do you think you yourself should be sent to jail for watching that video? Silent3 Nov 2013 #356

Do you think you have the right to get off on a real live rape being committed on a victim? seabeyond Nov 2013 #365

No, but I'm dying to hear how that question isn't a wild non-sequitur to what I said. n/t Silent3 Nov 2013 #380

No. And honestly I doubt it was anything near what they're talking about being illegal anyway. cui bono Nov 2013 #462

Supporting something and not wanting it to be illegal are two different things. Silent3 Nov 2013 #464

I agree with that. cui bono Nov 2013 #490

I'd prosecute the crimes committed in the production of such videos... Silent3 Nov 2013 #504

I am concerned that violence against women is normalized Tumbulu Nov 2013 #483

+100000 JustAnotherGen Nov 2013 #100

Thank god you're here BainsBane Nov 2013 #103

It was too early this morning JustAnotherGen Nov 2013 #154

Exactly, what the hell is wrong with people if they need to watch images of women being raped and smirkymonkey Nov 2013 #523

That's a bit narrow. Blue_Adept Nov 2013 #530

Would you have a link to any of those studies? I'd like to have a look. Thanks. nt rrneck Nov 2013 #170

now this is a legitimate question and I also would be interested in the links. n/t Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2013 #279

+1000 smirkymonkey Nov 2013 #478

Message auto-removed Name removed Nov 2013 #374

Typical... Decaffeinated Nov 2013 #139

what kind of choice do slaves have? BainsBane Nov 2013 #141

You had to burn the village to save the village right? Decaffeinated Nov 2013 #144

Oh how liberal of you! Tumbulu Nov 2013 #485

That just magically makes it so? You should call Webster! Decaffeinated Nov 2013 #488

Freedom to hurt people for pleasure? Tumbulu Nov 2013 #491

According to you... Decaffeinated Nov 2013 #494

Oh I think this that you should think a little bit before trivializing Tumbulu Nov 2013 #496

I know people who work for Kink.com. They are not slaves. They are well-paid. Comrade Grumpy Nov 2013 #258

Because most rapes are not reported Tumbulu Nov 2013 #486

"Human beings with rights" also have the right to do what they want. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #163

Not when the "right to do what they want" harms others. MadrasT Nov 2013 #167

Fair enough. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #171

Well there you go, busting out facts and stuff Kurska Nov 2013 #215

Those rights include consenting to activities you do not like. (nt) jeff47 Nov 2013 #220

Your post assumes there are no men who get off on submitting themselves to torture from a woman Threedifferentones Nov 2013 #281

strawmen and choice BainsBane Nov 2013 #346

We don't really disagree actually, in fact you practically repeated me. Threedifferentones Nov 2013 #362

If you were going to make a homemade rape video with gf who did not want to do it, seabeyond Nov 2013 #367

If I made a homemade rape video of my GF, then presumably she would have me arrested with that proof Threedifferentones Nov 2013 #369

You simply show ignorance and dismissal to rape victims and spousal abuse. No surprise seabeyond Nov 2013 #373

You keep repeating yourself and not responding to others' points. Threedifferentones Nov 2013 #386

Again we see the fallacy of "consenting adults" that those who defend porn tell themselves BainsBane Nov 2013 #3

We're not just talking about women. ForgoTheConsequence Nov 2013 #7

"I shouldn't be able to do that because you don't like it?" Thats exactly what I'm hearing here too. Kurska Nov 2013 #11

No, but people are hurt and die BainsBane Nov 2013 #28

It isn't even commercialized half the time, do you really know nothing about this? Kurska Nov 2013 #35

The point is not that you CAN'T watch it. smirkymonkey Dec 2013 #534

Even the most sick and disgusting speech is protected. Kurska Dec 2013 #535

Yes, but the point of the OP was not about making it illegal or banning it, smirkymonkey Dec 2013 #536

This might come as a surprise to you, but people don't actually pick what they find arousing. Kurska Dec 2013 #537

What is deregulated freedom? The freedom to beat your kids because you love them? To ancianita Nov 2013 #203

Watch the wrong kind of fiction, get thrown in jail. Got it Kurska Nov 2013 #8

Firstly, we aren't talking about jail in the US BainsBane Nov 2013 #24

I'm not throwing people in jail for consuming FICTION. Not matter how nice the jails are. Kurska Nov 2013 #26

Have you read the British law? BainsBane Nov 2013 #33

I dunno, MAYBE ASK THE PEOPLE WHO MADE IT? Kurska Nov 2013 #54

so then, Just take them at their word...? Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2013 #216

Our society has had about a hundred years of differentiating between real and fake murder videos Kurska Nov 2013 #221

did you really ask that question? Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2013 #225

Yawn, you know excatly what I was saying. Kurska Nov 2013 #230

yawn. that you like to watch it over and over again ... tells me you are the one with Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2013 #294

I fail to see the problem with what I wrote. Kurska Nov 2013 #296

agreed. went back and re-read your post. point taken. Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2013 #299

What is it about you that finds women getting raped and brutalized such a turn on? smirkymonkey Nov 2013 #524

Rape, mutilation, and murder are illegal already. ForgoTheConsequence Nov 2013 #30

What an excellent post Tumbulu Nov 2013 #513

It's one thing if it's really between two consenting adults, adults who are actually in a cui bono Nov 2013 #83

People do softcore porn because of low self esteem and economic necessity as well... Hippo_Tron Nov 2013 #441

If you're telling people what kind of FICTION, what kind of NOT REAL stuff they can watch Kurska Nov 2013 #5

Exactly. NT Eric J in MN Nov 2013 #223

... I'm a gay man. I've consented many times to being "tortured" as you call it MANY times. sibelian Nov 2013 #6

I'm gay too, that is why I'm so disgusted by people seriously advocating making consensual behavior Kurska Nov 2013 #9

I'm not gay. ForgoTheConsequence Nov 2013 #13

Puritanism is exactly right Kurska Nov 2013 #15

It's frightening. ForgoTheConsequence Nov 2013 #20

Absolutely terrifying man, watching fascism masquerading as progress and liberation scares me. Kurska Nov 2013 #23

Agree! Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #129

It's not BDSM BainsBane Nov 2013 #27

"enslaved labor" ForgoTheConsequence Nov 2013 #32

Holy shit BainsBane Nov 2013 #39

All of that is illegal already....... ForgoTheConsequence Nov 2013 #43

This message was self-deleted by its author BainsBane Nov 2013 #65

Because some porn is made with enslaved people, all porn needs to be banned. Kurska Nov 2013 #41

Some massage parlors use slave labor too. ForgoTheConsequence Nov 2013 #48

Pretty much every human job throughout history has been performed by a slave at some point Kurska Nov 2013 #51

As does the pork industry BainsBane Nov 2013 #67

You're absolutely right, you buy you pork from people who are good people. Kurska Nov 2013 #68

Do you get your porn from good people? BainsBane Nov 2013 #71

Well for one, I know some of them n/t Kurska Nov 2013 #79

If you limit your consumption to people and companies you know BainsBane Nov 2013 #81

I've known good people who produced brutal violent, yet consenting porn for zero dollars. Kurska Nov 2013 #86

I think people should be able to associate with who they wish. ForgoTheConsequence Nov 2013 #37

In their defense, I think a lot of people just don't get it Hippo_Tron Nov 2013 #442

Amen, Sibelian. The bias against BDSM, the refusal to understand that it is a large anneboleyn Nov 2013 #204

CONSENT is the operative word here. Slaves and minors, by definition, can NOT give consent. Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2013 #295

The hatred is of women BainsBane Nov 2013 #12

So is male on male torture ok with you? ForgoTheConsequence Nov 2013 #18

Some people seem to think women need to be protected from their own bodies and sexuality. Kurska Nov 2013 #19

You aren't reading BainsBane Nov 2013 #25

My lord there is a million pieces of pretty brutal porn out there with perfectly consenting women. Kurska Nov 2013 #29

yes, but there is also porn that is the product of slavery BainsBane Nov 2013 #58

"There is no way to tell the difference." Uhh, yeah there is Kurska Nov 2013 #61

I think there are probably some ways to carefully consume porn BainsBane Nov 2013 #69

The 2nd wave of feminism ended because of exactly that Major Nikon Nov 2013 #145

How does a slave consent? BainsBane Nov 2013 #31

Child porn and slavery are already illegal. ForgoTheConsequence Nov 2013 #34

Yet porn using slave labor is widely consummed BainsBane Nov 2013 #60

Prosecute slave porn more. Throw the people who produce it into jail. Kurska Nov 2013 #70

are you talking about what couples make between themselves? BainsBane Nov 2013 #75

No you see, a couple can produce a video between themselves and then give it away for free. Kurska Nov 2013 #84

Pokemon products are produced with slave labor as well. Are you for banning Pokemon? EOTE Nov 2013 #151

I'm going to go out on a limb and say literally no one in this thread agrees with slave porn. Kurska Nov 2013 #45

It seems like you are conflating two related but distinct issues. Comrade Grumpy Nov 2013 #267

When was the last time you "consumed" a movie? last1standing Nov 2013 #402

I won't consume simulated rape porn, but I'll defend it as free expression. DisgustipatedinCA Nov 2013 #399

I value my life and those of other women BainsBane Nov 2013 #445

Porn of ALL KINDS presents a hatred of women... Hippo_Tron Nov 2013 #443

Truthfully, when it comes to softcore porn BainsBane Nov 2013 #444

Magazine covers also depict women as objects whose sole purpose is fulfillment of male fantasy... Hippo_Tron Nov 2013 #446

I don't like that either BainsBane Nov 2013 #447

We'll have to respectfully disagree on this one, I get where you're coming from Hippo_Tron Nov 2013 #456

I don't see it as about rough sex at all BainsBane Nov 2013 #461

Without knowing exactly what you are talking about, I can only generalize. Deep13 Nov 2013 #16

So it's a liberal position for women to have choice... Major Nikon Nov 2013 #36

+1 Joel thakkar Nov 2013 #38

that's what it all boils down to Niceguy1 Nov 2013 #40

Telling CONSENTING adults what they can and can't do is a far right position Major Nikon Nov 2013 #80

because some progressives Niceguy1 Nov 2013 #88

Who is consenting? BainsBane Nov 2013 #99

The actors who sign the release forms and cash the checks are consenting. n/t lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #165

So are the workers at Walmart. They are "consenting" too, but the wages and conditions suck. KittyWampus Nov 2013 #192

Yes, but they aren't demanding Wal-Mart be made illegal. jeff47 Nov 2013 #234

Tell us what choice enslaved women have BainsBane Nov 2013 #42

You don't get to take away civil liberties just because psychos find inspiration from them sometimes phleshdef Nov 2013 #527

How about the choice of Walmart workers going hungry this Thanksgiving? BainsBane Nov 2013 #46

So we should ban Walmart? ForgoTheConsequence Nov 2013 #53

In the US we aren't banning anything BainsBane Nov 2013 #63

How on earth do I not care? Kurska Nov 2013 #76

I'm all for porn workers unions and porn workers getting a living wage. Kurska Nov 2013 #57

You're all for it, yet you justify an industry which allows none of that. BainsBane Nov 2013 #62

I do, in fact, oppose thai rape farms. Kurska Nov 2013 #78

Well, surely you understand the problem regulating international labor generally, right? BainsBane Nov 2013 #93

So... ban Iphones? n/t Kurska Nov 2013 #95

No, again I'm talking about social consciousness BainsBane Nov 2013 #97

+1 Learning here. ancianita Nov 2013 #262

+100 Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #130

Exactly. lumberjack_jeff Nov 2013 #168

Pro choice with an asterisk Democat Nov 2013 #259

For me the concern is twofold. Deep13 Nov 2013 #305

I can understand your concerns Major Nikon Nov 2013 #331

I have no idea what the solution is. Deep13 Nov 2013 #403

You hit the nail on the head with that one. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #310

I'll pass on this flamebait... 99Forever Nov 2013 #44

Morally superior? Wanting to be spared rape? BainsBane Nov 2013 #47

You sure seem to think so. ForgoTheConsequence Nov 2013 #50

I seek to protect myself and others from rape BainsBane Nov 2013 #101

Who the hell said.. 99Forever Nov 2013 #116

This is about rape porn BainsBane Nov 2013 #117

Insofar as we are discussing porn with actual rape, there is no disagreement. Bonobo Nov 2013 #119

No! You can't call it BDSM! Major Nikon Nov 2013 #136

i wish the poster would just come out and say they dont care if theres consent they just want it loli phabay Nov 2013 #238

Lots of shit out there that offends me. 99Forever Nov 2013 #122

So it's all about what gets men off BainsBane Nov 2013 #134

Congratulations, that's your 1000th conflation between rape/killing and BDSM! You win a lollipop! EOTE Nov 2013 #152

+ a brazillion. opiate69 Nov 2013 #391

I guess if you have no valid line of reasoning... 99Forever Nov 2013 #384

To suppress free speech in the name of protecting women is dangerous and wrong Major Nikon Nov 2013 #148

No, it's just about porn. Any porn. Union Scribe Nov 2013 #169

No it isn't. The entire discussion began in response to the UK decision BainsBane Nov 2013 #337

Who are you to judge BainsBane Nov 2013 #121

I didn't say "liberals shouldn't ever judge," now did I? 99Forever Nov 2013 #125

So everyone but me? BainsBane Nov 2013 #133

I don't owe you "answers" to your out of line "questions." 99Forever Nov 2013 #383

LOL...that is not exactly what I would call a pass... renie408 Nov 2013 #107

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Enslaved women and children can't consent either BainsBane Nov 2013 #109

What makes you think that everyone on the thread was a liberal. Right wingers mfcorey1 Nov 2013 #55

Having read the responses to this thread, Big Blue Marble Nov 2013 #440

I just realized this is the second crazy thread we've had about this in two days. Kurska Nov 2013 #90

Where do I place an order? In_The_Wind Nov 2013 #335

Faulty reasoning in OP. last1standing Nov 2013 #98

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You seriously don't know the difference? last1standing Nov 2013 #208

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You've seen it. It sounds like you didn't understand it. last1standing Nov 2013 #254

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As I said, it appears you do not understand. last1standing Nov 2013 #268

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LOL. You don't understand and refuse to learn. last1standing Nov 2013 #334

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I was very rude not to give you an answer that fit into your "worldview." last1standing Nov 2013 #344

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I'm sorry you can't handle a world where people don't follow your dictates. last1standing Nov 2013 #359

Who in the world defended torture of women for sexual gratification? ogradda Nov 2013 #104

Really, you missed it? BainsBane Nov 2013 #105

The topics are being blurred by people putting Fantasy orpupilofnature57 Nov 2013 #108

So the movies depicting rapes or violence are real? Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #131

Yes, and watching lions eat a human being is educational orpupilofnature57 Nov 2013 #455

It's certainly none of your business either way. Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #459

Hail you, and your defense of " Artistic Rape " Talk about abuse of Liberty orpupilofnature57 Nov 2013 #499

Whatever you say. Still doesnt change the 1st Amendment Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #500

I checked in 7 times on what is clearly MISANTHROPE orpupilofnature57 Nov 2013 #106

Hey...wait a minute! nt msanthrope Nov 2013 #123

NO NO I've read your posts, your msanthrope... orpupilofnature57 Nov 2013 #453

Long thread ahead!!! Dorian Gray Nov 2013 #112

I hear you. renie408 Nov 2013 #114

A woman who fantasizes about rape doesn't want to be raped, but a man that does, wants to rape? Bonobo Nov 2013 #115

women are good Niceguy1 Nov 2013 #149

That all depends on who's point of view you're reading. In_The_Wind Nov 2013 #336

A hit it and quit it OP. JaneyVee Nov 2013 #120

Oh, the vanilla....nt msanthrope Nov 2013 #124

love my vanilla, with topping of chocolate, strawberry and marshmallow. add some whip cream, nuts seabeyond Nov 2013 #126

Sea, the adults are not talking about ice cream. I'm not interested in engaging in playful msanthrope Nov 2013 #135

msanthrope, you threw out a jab. i countered. tell me about ... adults. nt seabeyond Nov 2013 #137

Indeed...I. appreciate your confirmation of the tag teaming. nt msanthrope Nov 2013 #143

really? create your own reality, dear? oh, and make sure you are the victim seabeyond Nov 2013 #147

Do not call me 'dear.' nt msanthrope Nov 2013 #159

what happened to this free speech you all are talking about. wowsers. nt seabeyond Nov 2013 #160

I thought you had no desire to participate? EOTE Nov 2013 #181

lol lo. you are cute eote. always have been, always will be seabeyond Nov 2013 #183

Awww, shucks. nt EOTE Nov 2013 #184

Indeed. The next time you harass Skinner about adding certain words to the TOS msanthrope Nov 2013 #190

so then, we should do away with the ToS? I really do not understand what you are saying here ... Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2013 #194

I happen to think the TOS is a work of genius as it stands. And I think msanthrope Nov 2013 #214

dear should be a no no word. bah hahahahah. hey woman, outta here. seabeyond Nov 2013 #206

uh oh. am i allowed to use woman? seabeyond Nov 2013 #209

Excellent. Then you should have no problem with men on this board addressing you as 'Dear.' msanthrope Nov 2013 #218

take it up with California Peggy who addresses everyone as Dear. Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2013 #228

California Peggy is sui generis. And she doesn't use it as an insult. nt msanthrope Nov 2013 #257

I really don't know if sea meant it as an insult but, you took it that way, I understand. Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2013 #280

again, as a lawyer, you know your argument fails. YOU say freedom of speech. YOU told me not to use seabeyond Nov 2013 #246

Freedom of speech applies to the government. It has nothing to do with you msanthrope Nov 2013 #261

ohhh, you got me.... seabeyond Nov 2013 #265

Gonna let you get back to the thread where you wonder if a 14-year old boy should be shown porn msanthrope Nov 2013 #274

o.k. seabeyond Nov 2013 #275

ROFLMAO -- It's been deleted! Systematic Chaos Nov 2013 #465

Oh yes...it has. nt msanthrope Nov 2013 #466

I think there is something wrong with people watching this type of porn itsrobert Nov 2013 #128

That sums this up perfectly Katashi_itto Nov 2013 #132

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So who is going to help them? Major Nikon Nov 2013 #153

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What you describe is now widely considered quackery Major Nikon Nov 2013 #161

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So Major Nikon Nov 2013 #182

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You're mixing and matching terminology Major Nikon Nov 2013 #256

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I never said the DSM believes it is quackery Major Nikon Nov 2013 #284

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Sadism and sexual sadism are not the same thing Major Nikon Nov 2013 #313

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Relevance comes to mind Major Nikon Nov 2013 #339

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I agree. laundry_queen Nov 2013 #179

You used the same comparison that came to my mind. Cutting. KittyWampus Nov 2013 #186

SSD requires lack of consent Major Nikon Nov 2013 #202

People who cut themselves do need help. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #224

I don't think it's normal. laundry_queen Nov 2013 #252

So, people who participate in BDSM need help? Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #253

WTF does this have to do with gay people? laundry_queen Nov 2013 #300

I know, right?? BuddhaGirl Nov 2013 #422

lol, i gotta say the judgement then i dont judge made me guffaw loli phabay Nov 2013 #244

do you believe in ignoring sick people? Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2013 #282

Whaaaaaaa???? Rex Nov 2013 #138

Not everything is a "liberal" vs "conservative" argument... cbdo2007 Nov 2013 #150

One question I have is how anyone who consumes porn can call themselves a feminist. ancianita Nov 2013 #155

What about erotica? Can we consume that? nt msanthrope Nov 2013 #156

Don't know how it's defined. Probably, but in that industry, equal pay for equal work and all... ancianita Nov 2013 #162

Erotica is what you masturbate to. Porn is what other people use. nt msanthrope Nov 2013 #185

Are you suggesting that the porn industry is sexist against males? EOTE Nov 2013 #189

If I am,it's not that, but the industry does have a predominantly male market, so I'd ancianita Nov 2013 #405

Yes, that's exactly right. EOTE Nov 2013 #517

I haven't fought tirelessly against men in porn, that's for sure. Men as a group have 90% ancianita Nov 2013 #518

No, I don't go about specifically advocating for unionization of porn stars. EOTE Nov 2013 #519

Fair point that I was mistaken. Yet it's the exception in the economic scheme of pay for men/women. ancianita Nov 2013 #521

Yes. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #191

What. I'm being dimwitted? ancianita Nov 2013 #195

I don't know how it's a turn-on. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #211

Depends on the fictional consent part, doesn't it. Ripe for production abuse, no? Isn't the ancianita Nov 2013 #229

Yay! Time for pulling bullshit out of one's posterior!! jeff47 Nov 2013 #249

It's telling that people can't make an argument against consenting adult behavior WITHOUT dragging Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #502

Come off your high horse DragonBorn Nov 2013 #285

Why's a question got to reveal I'm on some "high horse." Why can't it reveal that I'm trying ancianita Nov 2013 #306

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That has been an issue of 3rd wave Feminism One_Life_To_Give Nov 2013 #298

Only if your idea of feminism is one in which women are helpless beings. last1standing Nov 2013 #357

There are entire branches of feminism LadyHawkAZ Nov 2013 #397

Out of the park.... opiate69 Nov 2013 #400

Woot, there it is! +1000. nt. polly7 Nov 2013 #401

That other thread was too long Capt. Obvious Nov 2013 #157

Blockbusters are violence. Dr. Strange Nov 2013 #263

Long threads are emptiness Capt. Obvious Nov 2013 #277

And cleanliness is godliness. EOTE Nov 2013 #292

And you see beyond the happiness in slavery Capt. Obvious Nov 2013 #297

Liberalism and morality are two different things. rrneck Nov 2013 #164

Simple answer LittleBlue Nov 2013 #175

You really think that ALL porn is acting? you do realize that there is a whole set of Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2013 #286

Drinking is not healthy LittleBlue Nov 2013 #302

It's not liberal to throw people in jail for the type of fiction they read/watch/create. JVS Nov 2013 #176

Support the Klans right to say sick shit too One_Life_To_Give Nov 2013 #180

How convenient then that the Klan gollygee Nov 2013 #231

well its pretty much covered in the autoeroticism videos loli phabay Nov 2013 #247

"The ACLU does not support pornography. But we do oppose virtually all forms of censorship. " One_Life_To_Give Nov 2013 #271

If you're going to start a thread about it, at least educate yourself on the topic. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #187

Exactly. Dommes are very popular in bdsm and if they are professional they are well-paid. anneboleyn Nov 2013 #212

extremely well paid is an understatement. loli phabay Nov 2013 #248

What people don't understand ismnotwasm Nov 2013 #188

Well said. I'm learning a lot. ancianita Nov 2013 #197

I could make the same argument about furniture. jeff47 Nov 2013 #255

BSMD is not rape porn ismnotwasm Nov 2013 #304

In both cases, it appears that someone is being forced to do something. jeff47 Nov 2013 #327

"There are many, many other factors that have lead to the "decrease in rapes" " Major Nikon Nov 2013 #411

Yours is the only response expressing what is important. When you said: freshwest Dec 2013 #531

Short version: "WAY too much sex and violence in the movies and on TV. " Nye Bevan Nov 2013 #193

that is not a progressive vs. conservative issue as much as libertarian vs. conscience yurbud Nov 2013 #200

More like, my body my rules Kurska Nov 2013 #205

that kind of porn is a symptom of a problem not a cause yurbud Nov 2013 #213

it could also be a sign of a problem, I think - Tuesday Afternoon Nov 2013 #235

ok yurbud Nov 2013 #427

My concern about rape porn is that it can desensitize some people who watch it. hrmjustin Nov 2013 #226

As far as desensitization goes, LadyHawkAZ Nov 2013 #415

I am not sure the desnsitization has already happened when the person types the hrmjustin Nov 2013 #417

I'm curious why you would think that LadyHawkAZ Nov 2013 #419

If someone is curious and look it up they are not desensitized by it yet. hrmjustin Nov 2013 #421

I'd have to disagree with you LadyHawkAZ Nov 2013 #423

Ok well we disagree on this. hrmjustin Nov 2013 #424

I am with the OP and Bainsbane on this one... Tikki Nov 2013 #241

Thanks, this is really where I fear it leads Tumbulu Nov 2013 #407

I regard it as a desensitizing form of "entertainment" Scootaloo Nov 2013 #251

Wow. Very offensive to the entire BDSM community, in which domination "scenes" anneboleyn Nov 2013 #307

Do you get off on seeing someone attacked and raped? Scootaloo Nov 2013 #311

You should have trashed that thread as soon as you saw it like I did... Iggo Nov 2013 #283

Never come to San Francisco Prism Nov 2013 #308

I often come to SF Tumbulu Nov 2013 #408

Dore Alley would wreck some people in this thread Prism Nov 2013 #413

I do not see torture and rape as sexuality Tumbulu Nov 2013 #428

But they are a part of sexuality Prism Nov 2013 #432

Am I right, you think that simply because hurting women fits into someone's idea of sex Tumbulu Nov 2013 #433

This is what I mean by lack of knowledge Prism Nov 2013 #434

It is my business that women are raped for profit Tumbulu Nov 2013 #435

The rape apologists in this thread make me sick! KitSileya Nov 2013 #309

Nobody in this thread is defending rape. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #314

Oh, I understand it just fine. KitSileya Nov 2013 #316

How do we know actors in R-rated movies consented to taking their clothes off? Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #317

We don't, do we? KitSileya Nov 2013 #323

Please present some sort of evidence that there's a mythology Nov 2013 #414

Here is how you know if actors are consenting mwrguy Nov 2013 #358

So, you say we should ban all rape porn because we can't verify if it is real or not. Kurska Nov 2013 #318

Well, when the murder victim walks off the stage afterwards, it's pretty easy to most of us, KitSileya Nov 2013 #319

It'snot hard to prove it's consensual. rrneck Nov 2013 #321

Yeah, because that sure is a way to prove anyone wasn't pressured or forced. KitSileya Nov 2013 #322

A contract signed under duress is null and void. rrneck Nov 2013 #324

Yes, it would be, wouldn't it. KitSileya Nov 2013 #325

They may be skeezy and creepy rrneck Nov 2013 #330

It's not only skeezy and creepy. KitSileya Nov 2013 #333

If it's indistinguishable it's impossible to prosecute. rrneck Nov 2013 #338

Apparently British lawmakers have decided that fiction or not doesn't matter. KitSileya Nov 2013 #343

That doesn't make them right. rrneck Nov 2013 #349

According to Cameron, they want to make it illegal to possess porn that cannot legally be sold KitSileya Nov 2013 #355

You're right on that score. rrneck Nov 2013 #364

Thanks for the civil discussion. KitSileya Nov 2013 #368

Always a pleasure. rrneck Nov 2013 #378

Exactly. But I'd speculate that suits for either performance or enforcement in either the pimp or ancianita Nov 2013 #328

Good luck with that one. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #347

Me too and thank you for the excellent analogy Tumbulu Nov 2013 #390

its not real bowens43 Nov 2013 #329

and a lot of it is. now what? nt seabeyond Nov 2013 #342

Go after those making the real stuff. EOTE Nov 2013 #350

It is not that simple which you have been educated and abviously recognize. But, you cavalierly seabeyond Nov 2013 #360

Of course it's that simple. EOTE Nov 2013 #361

But many on here are willing to not care so much if it is real or not as long as it is real enough seabeyond Nov 2013 #371

That reply has nothing to do with what I posted. EOTE Nov 2013 #516

being a liberal is not always convenient. aikoaiko Nov 2013 #332

Just some thoughts from someone who works for a place that makes "rape porn". HappyinLA Nov 2013 #340

welcome to du gopiscrap Nov 2013 #345

Thanks for making it clear for us. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #348

One question. Why do you support sex slavery? EOTE Nov 2013 #354

Surely you will acknowledge that not all porn is made that way BainsBane Nov 2013 #363

So basically... Blue_Adept Nov 2013 #375

No, not all is made that way HappyinLA Nov 2013 #388

This makes the most sense in this thread Major Nikon Nov 2013 #420

And so do you see yourself as a liberal or a libertarian? Tumbulu Nov 2013 #393

So what you're saying is... Blue_Adept Nov 2013 #395

I am sorry, I do not understand your post Tumbulu Nov 2013 #404

Very interesting. Welcome! nt Demo_Chris Nov 2013 #398

Oh great, another one of these booley Nov 2013 #366

A great thread Blue_Adept Nov 2013 #372

I am so sick of this crap. Trashing thread. liberal_at_heart Nov 2013 #376

You seem to give women very little or no credit TroglodyteScholar Nov 2013 #379

There is nothing false about my assumption that torturing people Tumbulu Nov 2013 #392

So in the case of a woman who willingly participates in something you don't like... TroglodyteScholar Nov 2013 #396

It sounds like a libertarian position, not a liberal position Tumbulu Nov 2013 #406

How does one's private sexual behavior become "advocating" in your mind? TroglodyteScholar Nov 2013 #409

My post and this discussion is not about what people do in private Tumbulu Nov 2013 #429

It must be hard on the knees jumping to those sorts of conclusions mythology Nov 2013 #418

I know of no one into BDSM and am not even sure what it is Tumbulu Nov 2013 #430

as another postet said you need to join a site like fetlife so you can see how common kink is loli phabay Nov 2013 #476

"I have yet to meet one who wants to be hurt, beaten or raped or have anything violent done to them" opiate69 Nov 2013 #425

its tempting to make an account and walk some posters through the site so they can see loli phabay Nov 2013 #477

Because people don't truly understand what porn is all about. duffyduff Nov 2013 #382

I think many do understand what consent means booley Nov 2013 #385

That's too blunt an instrument Orrex Nov 2013 #387

So true, nt Tumbulu Nov 2013 #394

Financial pressures to work in fast food or retail isn't "consent" either. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #412

So, you think working at McDonalds Tumbulu Nov 2013 #436

It is metaphorically "rape". Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #437

I have had demeaning jobs, plenty of them Tumbulu Nov 2013 #438

It's highly offensive that you would think there's no comparison. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #439

Sorry, you lost your credibility with this line Tumbulu Nov 2013 #450

Rape porn is creepy CFLDem Nov 2013 #389

I agree. Jamastiene Nov 2013 #410

I think you are having trouble distinguishing reality from theater XRubicon Nov 2013 #416

Sorry, violence against women for pleasure Tumbulu Nov 2013 #431

Banning simulation is akin to thought crime TransitJohn Nov 2013 #426

You have no concern over sex slaves, or the effect that Tumbulu Nov 2013 #469

Uh, what? TransitJohn Nov 2013 #479

Uhm, let me introduce you to the real world Tumbulu Nov 2013 #481

Why does porn always devalue into a debate over women's rights? Drunken Irishman Nov 2013 #448

This discussion is about how I get the idea that members of DU Tumbulu Nov 2013 #449

Why do you continue to focus on women? Drunken Irishman Nov 2013 #451

You're tilting at a windmill with that poster. Vashta Nerada Nov 2013 #452

I do not watch porn at all, so all these genres are unfamiliar to me Tumbulu Nov 2013 #457

If you don't watch it, then what concern is it to you? Drunken Irishman Nov 2013 #458

How about the fact that it normalizes violent behavior ? Tumbulu Nov 2013 #467

you know i know nothing about baseball, as i dont watch it loli phabay Nov 2013 #475

One of my alltime favorite films is A Clockwork Orange. Quantess Nov 2013 #460

This is about my quest to understand if this DU approval of violent rape porn Tumbulu Nov 2013 #468

I don't like porn. NaturalHigh Nov 2013 #463

But is it a liberal position to not care about the effect of violent rape porn on the Tumbulu Nov 2013 #470

Elsewhere on this site you have someone posting a study that defines blowjobs as "violent acts" Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #471

+1 NaturalHigh Nov 2013 #473

This message was self-deleted by its author seaglass Nov 2013 #480

My agenda is to understand how someone calling themselves liberal Tumbulu Nov 2013 #487

And what you're doing is setting up straw enemies & placing them on yr. own semantic playing field. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #489

You honestly think that hurting Tumbulu Nov 2013 #493

Direct Quote: "You honestly think that hurting People on purpose is part of being liberal?" Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #501

Well, I find this hard to believe. Tumbulu Nov 2013 #503

"And there is nothing stuffed shirt about caring for people" Bonobo Nov 2013 #507

Straw Man Argument. Warren DeMontague Nov 2013 #509

See Warren's reply to you. NaturalHigh Nov 2013 #474

I've been avoiding this subject pretty carefully. FedUpWithIt All Nov 2013 #510

It is very sad to me Tumbulu Nov 2013 #512

I love woman and would say most people here do . orpupilofnature57 Nov 2013 #515

As a Liberal BuddhaGirl Nov 2013 #520

Difference is you and your husband are enjoying porn orpupilofnature57 Nov 2013 #522

There is simulated rape in BDSM porn BuddhaGirl Nov 2013 #525

Bingo, I did . But I don't in a rape film, unless like You " Simulation " orpupilofnature57 Nov 2013 #526

see post #471 BuddhaGirl Nov 2013 #528