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In reply to the discussion: How come Hillary supporters can't present an argument for her? [View all]libdem4life
(13,877 posts)564. That's very interesting. Could you please post the link?
I always enjoy reading your well-informed posts. I'm still learning and even hoping and hope those who've been at this more diligently over the past decade will continue to post and discuss.
This generation has an advantage no other has had...social media. Ha, I remember Foley...first one caught "red handed" with inappropriate IM...thought nobody could ever know. Cell phones with cameras and audio...Mitt learned the hard way about that. I go back to B&W TV...LOL...and the smoky back-room politics...literally. Progress.
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Why should a progressive support Hillary in the primaries when she's not progressive?
Cali_Democrat
Nov 2013
#1
There's also a formal Progressive Caucus, and Bernie Sanders is the only Senatorial Member.
libdem4life
Nov 2013
#367
Why would I weep...i vote Democrat...if Bernie gets it...I vote for him
VanillaRhapsody
Nov 2013
#408
Because of the total absence of any Progressive Democratic Senators to actually predictably vote
libdem4life
Nov 2013
#418
You do know that traditionally Democrats haven't been opposed to rich people right?
VanillaRhapsody
Nov 2013
#318
A 'new democrat', means the same thing, a 'democrat who is tight with the bankers'.
sabrina 1
Nov 2013
#579
Good point. But then why is she being promoted here? The OP is asking why wont those
rhett o rick
Nov 2013
#451
I see much more promotion of Warren on DU than I see promotion of Hillary. nm
Cali_Democrat
Nov 2013
#464
So do I but that's not an answer. Why wont HRC supporters discuss issues? nm
rhett o rick
Nov 2013
#467
The conservatives that support HRC would like nothing better than for the left to relax
rhett o rick
Nov 2013
#476
I think you've created some fictitious battle that only exists in your mind
Cali_Democrat
Nov 2013
#486
Um, thank you for supporting cali's point. You linked OP is about Hillary's inevitability.
magical thyme
Nov 2013
#22
Your last sentence, if true, says something terrible about this country. It makes it clear that we
sabrina 1
Nov 2013
#378
'... make accepting corporate contributions poison in the eyes of the electorate.'
sabrina 1
Nov 2013
#563
Programmers will tell you that the way to get a large complicated program to work right
eridani
Nov 2013
#521
less pure? how about less right-wing? oh, and did you read the article at your link?
magical thyme
Nov 2013
#241
Imagine that. Boggles the mind. That's too hard...easier to bitch and moan. That or think maybe
libdem4life
Nov 2013
#425
The conservatives call feeding America's children, getting the NSA back to
rhett o rick
Nov 2013
#458
Frankly, I could care less about Republican purity. You make my point in your next sentence.
libdem4life
Nov 2013
#504
I think I might have misunderstood your #425 response. I am still confused as
rhett o rick
Nov 2013
#507
Assuming that is code for Hillary=royal screw job. What I have said dozens of times is...
libdem4life
Nov 2013
#509
Thanks for understand my frustrations and forgiving my random lashing out.
rhett o rick
Nov 2013
#514
I'm a 60s radical and, to be very honest, found myself much like you. Think McGovern. I understand.
libdem4life
Nov 2013
#518
This is just another petulant strawman post, to go with the other "Hillary Sux" one.
MADem
Nov 2013
#86
The candidates have to start getting ready early. That doesn't mean that we have to be enthused.
Blanks
Nov 2013
#438
Your link helps prove what the OP claims. Clinton supporters will not post what
rhett o rick
Nov 2013
#64
Yes, I read it. I couldnt find any issues that she supports referred to. It must be me.
rhett o rick
Nov 2013
#85
Oh I am a big fan of Martin O'Malley....He will make a great VP pick for Hillary
VanillaRhapsody
Nov 2013
#185
You demand I don't post history....and then you post historical musicals?
VanillaRhapsody
Nov 2013
#197
All I posted about was your false claims on approval numbers; you are SO confused.
Divernan
Nov 2013
#217
No one will give a shit. They'll say "So what does that have to do with her?" or
MADem
Nov 2013
#379
" the rest of us are bored with it all." You are speaking for yourself. Now is the time to start a
rhett o rick
Nov 2013
#80
Yes the conservatives can gloat but we arent going to give up. At some point the public
rhett o rick
Nov 2013
#446
You could have left it at just "...a better candidate than Christie." We...
TreasonousBastard
Nov 2013
#489
If you notice, the Clinton supporters are not the ones posting threads attacking other Democrats.
Beacool
Nov 2013
#360
No its not ridiculous....first we were "idolizing" Obama...now Hillary?
VanillaRhapsody
Nov 2013
#61
Most Democrats create jobs....Do you think Hillary won't be a Job Creator?
VanillaRhapsody
Nov 2013
#105
I'm not trying to blame her entirely, but if we put her in the WH it'll be hers too.
NuclearDem
Nov 2013
#437
People like the idea of anarchism because of what it ultimately stands for.
NuclearDem
Nov 2013
#363
What it means by any dictionary definition is Chaos...I have shown every
VanillaRhapsody
Nov 2013
#396
I think YOU should do some research myself...I don't make up definitions...
VanillaRhapsody
Nov 2013
#426
YES you do not get to decide the meaning....it is MOST certainly not Colloquialism.
VanillaRhapsody
Nov 2013
#414
Just FYI, persisting in dodging questions like that is every bit as clear as answering "yes", and
Marr
Nov 2013
#420
Ask her former constituents that are also former IBM employees thanks to her "progressivism".
Egalitarian Thug
Nov 2013
#568
No I don't think that and I will not ever vote for any of the others, either.
Egalitarian Thug
Nov 2013
#576
Do Democrats create jobs for Americans under your so-called "corporate coup d' etat"?
VanillaRhapsody
Nov 2013
#161
Better than posting rightwing sources as a reason to NOT vote for her, n'est pas? nt
MADem
Nov 2013
#91
The Progressive Party ended in 1952. All there is now is corporate party 1 & 2.
L0oniX
Nov 2013
#110
and do any of them have the polling power to beat even Chris Christie?
VanillaRhapsody
Nov 2013
#292
I think things are different now. And yes, I think Hilly will be a fucking disaster
cali
Nov 2013
#79
Roughly, yes. The "D" after a candidate's name actually is the most important thing
Recursion
Nov 2013
#584
I'm sure Hillary's ambitions are her own. Whatever Bill's unctions may be they
Nuclear Unicorn
Nov 2013
#70
Treating women as appendages of their husbands seems antiquated./nt
DemocratSinceBirth
Nov 2013
#111
no more than FDR, again... giving HRC a higher bar than the male DEM presidents is so...
uponit7771
Nov 2013
#124
They are purist, if HRC or Warren aren't 120% perfect then they need not apply
uponit7771
Nov 2013
#93
very fair, HRC shouldn't have a higher bar than the dem men that came before her that are hailed as
uponit7771
Nov 2013
#174
There is a higher bar, those hating on HRC woud've despised FDR ... facts are facts... and why
uponit7771
Nov 2013
#259
Re the financial link (not that what I think matters as I don't even live in the States)
sibelian
Nov 2013
#536
Maybe because some of us have a little class & refuse to get down in the mud slinging
William769
Nov 2013
#63
Oh no, Bill, you're speaking for me, too. Please allow me to associate myself with your remarks. nt
MADem
Nov 2013
#97
Hillary, unlike FDR, hasn't been a perfect progressive so she's disqualified /sarcasm
uponit7771
Nov 2013
#101
Or it could be that most people actually involved in the process are focused on 2014.
grantcart
Nov 2013
#173
Shit, that's bargain basement prices. Didn't Saint Ronnie of Reagan make two million for two
MADem
Nov 2013
#117
Hillary is a pragmatic progressive. She does what she can, and she doesn't bullshit people.
MADem
Nov 2013
#141
I have no idea. Why the hell should she be making those speeches for that kind of money?
cali
Nov 2013
#145
Well I do beg your pardon. That said, I got a strong whiff of snark in your subject line
MADem
Nov 2013
#352
Well, one person's progressive is another person's unrealistic, recalcitrant obstructionist.
MADem
Nov 2013
#372
She and Bill also hosted a fundraiser for him, and raised over a million bucks for his mayoral
MADem
Nov 2013
#345
OTI actually backs up their placement with details, as you can see if you look at the web page.
MADem
Nov 2013
#512
I don't care if HRC has corporate sponsors, so long as the corporate sponsors are
MADem
Nov 2013
#516
I believed with demographic shifts the Democrats would never lose another presidential election.
DemocratSinceBirth
Nov 2013
#99
There is some polling that shows Hilary Clinton may put Texas into play in 2016
Gothmog
Nov 2013
#365
Why should Hillary supporters try to convince Hillary haters of anything?...
SidDithers
Nov 2013
#109
This is just a flame bait thread. If it was really aimed at having a discussion of the issues, the
lostincalifornia
Nov 2013
#225
I wasn't aware she was running. As far as I knew, we don't have any declared candidates so
OregonBlue
Nov 2013
#139
Maya Angelou reminds us, "When somebody shows you what they are, believe them."
IrishAyes
Nov 2013
#560
At this time I did not aim those words at any individual in particular; speaking in generalities for
IrishAyes
Nov 2013
#562
Does anyone believe for a second that conservative Dems would vote for, say, Sanders...
Marr
Nov 2013
#155
The only thing I care about is 2014!! Any other discussion is moot to me. But if Hillary is the
Liberal_Stalwart71
Nov 2013
#160
The closest I've seen to an argument is "because she can beat the repuke", but
hughee99
Nov 2013
#171
If she's progressive, and a leader, why has her stint as a WalMart Board member done nothing ....
Scuba
Nov 2013
#189
Thank you for some perspective. In fact, I don't think she even announced yet?
lostincalifornia
Nov 2013
#228
For a women's right to choose, for civil rights, including gay rights, for Kyoto Protocol, clean air
lostincalifornia
Nov 2013
#215
+1, FDR wasn't a perfect progressive no prez is but the extra hate on HRC is overt in some cases
uponit7771
Nov 2013
#261
... and if Warren would support any of those you'd throw away your support for her?
uponit7771
Nov 2013
#279
"Again, FDR was not the corporately owned creature that Hillary is. " You sure?!?!?!
uponit7771
Nov 2013
#309
From the FDR library.... "How did the Roosevelt and Delano families make their money? "
uponit7771
Nov 2013
#487
Hopefully we won't actually divide - but there is a growing number of Dem voters...
polichick
Nov 2013
#294
That old "vote for our candidates or the bad guys will get in" doesn't work when...
polichick
Nov 2013
#323
Did you see the study that said Americans under 30 prefer socialism to capitalism?
Laelth
Nov 2013
#544
I'm a liberal. I'm not a "progressive" and I support Hillary Clinton until a better candidate
The Second Stone
Nov 2013
#273
I've written many responses in my support of Hillary...and I'm right up there with you. Thing I'm
libdem4life
Nov 2013
#381
I consider myself officially in a political place I am most comfortable..learning..options..what if?
libdem4life
Nov 2013
#581
No. My friendly ex is the Democratic Executive Director of a Blue County in a Blue State.
libdem4life
Nov 2013
#394
lol, i almost choked when I saw this post headline. dems aren't going to start
okieinpain
Nov 2013
#313
Curious as to how many more anti-Hillary threads we can expect from you.
Old and In the Way
Nov 2013
#316
I can't be bothered with her right now. She is a private citizen and hasn't declared
kestrel91316
Nov 2013
#328
You can goad/bait all you'd like, but if you paid attention, she's NOT the same as Bernie.
MADem
Nov 2013
#485
My mind is made up only until someone else shows up. I have posted frequently and liberally and
libdem4life
Nov 2013
#404
Mostly agree. And yes, I'll take 'Better than a Republican' over 'Republican' any day of the week.
beerandjesus
Nov 2013
#423
I know..I'm really trying harder..and I'm not excited, either. 20 years of Bushes or 16 of Clinton/
libdem4life
Nov 2013
#430
Thing is, I value their opinions, even though they sometimes piss me off.
beerandjesus
Nov 2013
#553
I would like to respectfully disagree, in case you've missed most of my posts.
libdem4life
Nov 2013
#440
Mine are Cricket Posts ... get it? ... can hear the crickets. These Anti-Hillary folks are pretty
libdem4life
Nov 2013
#455
No real progressive can justify running her. Someone needs to primary against her.
Th1onein
Nov 2013
#411
Agree 100%... which would I think HRC would mean yet another 4 years of playing defense
beerandjesus
Nov 2013
#448
Well it looks like it will be a good idea that there is a primary so these issues can be discussed.
hrmjustin
Nov 2013
#506
It's the TPP or Trans Pacific Partnership. NAFTA on steroids. It will nullify national sovereignty.
rhett o rick
Nov 2013
#470
As a standard 3rd Way "not as bad" candidate she's "not quite as bad" as Joe Lieberman.
Tierra_y_Libertad
Nov 2013
#449
They dont have to. She doesnt have to commit to stands on specific issues because
rhett o rick
Nov 2013
#480
Well that's not a comforting thought, let alone dream....even without the "sarcasm" smilie
libdem4life
Nov 2013
#567