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In reply to the discussion: 10 Facts about Lee Oswald that make 70% of Americans Wonder... [View all]Spider Jerusalem
(21,786 posts)12. Um...no
1. No Motive. Oswald was by all accounts a devoted and loving father who had a family and a long comfortable life ahead of him. There was no simmering hatred for Kennedy and apparently no delusions of grandeur or aspiration to become famous for killing JFK. No wish to impress Jodi Foster or anything similar. Nothing.
Oswald was a paranoid and unstable narcissist with a violent temper who beat and raped his wife. He may have been "a devoted and loving father" but he certainly wasn't a very devoted and loving husband; he didn't allow his wife to learn English, in order to maintain his control over her. And he thought he was destined for historical greatness; he believed he was a man of destiny. The fact that you can say this means you have probably never actually read anything about the real Lee Oswald; "Marina and Lee" would be a good start, or Norman Mailer's "Oswald's Tale", or even the biography of Oswald that forms an appendix to the Warren Commission report.
2. Oswald never confessed or took credit. Just the opposite, he asked for legal representation and never confessed to anything. Eventually Oswald said he was "a patsy." They were still trying to get a confession from him after he was shot by Ruby.
And? His rifle was used to shoot Kennedy. Bullet fragments recovered from the limo and the intact bullet from Connally's stretcher were ballistically matched to Oswald's rifle, to the exclusion of all other weapons. Multiple eyewitnesses saw a rifle protruding from the sixth-floor TSBD window. Some of those witnesses had an angle to see the man holding it. At least one of those picked Oswald out of a lineup. And he shot a police officer. Shell casings recovered from the scene of that shooting were matched to the revolver Oswald had on him when arrested, to the exclusion of all other weapons. Multiple eyewitnesses saw him fleeing the scene. Several of them picked him out of a lineup. If he'd lived and been tried, he would've been found guilty on the basis of the overwhelming circumstantial, eyewitness, and physical evidence linking him to the crimes.
3. Oswald was a loyal Marine who given a very high security clearance and worked on the most secretive military projects of the day -- U2 spy flights over the USSR and radar operations.
Oswald was repeatedly punished for infractions of military discipline and reduced from PFC to buck private; his security clearance was "confidential", the lowest level, which was the minimum for the assignment he had. See report from the Houe Select Committee on Assassinations: http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/oswald5.txt
6. Oswald was welcomed back to the USA after his defection(?) to the USSR. He said he was "bored" and asked for his passport back and got it.
Oswald had been unsuccessful in his attempt to renounce his citizenship; he wsn't "welcomed back" so much as let back in because as a US citizen he couldn't be turned away.
7. There was no official de-briefing of Oswald after his time the USSR. The government was running a USSR defector program to get people into the USSR, much the way Oswald went in but when Oswald came out there is no record of his being de-briefed despite Oswald being an expert on radar and surveillance.
Oswald wasn't debriefed because he didnt know anything useful. See here: http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=OibCmEpOqDwC&pg=PA86&img=1&zoom=3&hl=en&sig=ACfU3U1v8RZtZWvx-KGC8VVAk8DLrT-ktw&w=685&w=800
10. Jack Ruby has no clear motivation to shoot Oswald. Ruby leaves a lucrative business to do so and dies in prison
Ruby's business wasn't that lucrative. Ruby furthermore is on record as a man with a violent and explosive temper; he'd blow up at customers and kick them out of his club, he had a repuation for being a bit nuts and probably having a few screws loose. And the day he shot Oswald? He went to a Western Union office to wire money to one of his employees. The counter was closed. He left and went to the police station, with every evident intention of coming back...and it happened to be just when the police were moving Oswald to the county jail. There's nothing to suggest that it could possibly have been anything more than coincidence and sudden impulse.
The only reason people wonder is because they're ignorant of the facts and only know vague half-truths and the distortion of Oliver Stone's absurd film.
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And you reached that conclusion after reading the Warren Commission Report, right?
stopbush
Nov 2013
#15
Where does it say he hasn't read it? You know what they say about people who make assumptions....
madmom
Nov 2013
#81
It's not my "opinion" that Ruby was diagnosed with cancer in 1966. it's a fact.
stopbush
Nov 2013
#38
Jack Ruby was a lone nut who killed a lone nut. There was no conspiracy and I think
duffyduff
Nov 2013
#145
lol. When point number 1 is as baldfaced as this, I don't need to read the rest.
Schema Thing
Nov 2013
#5
#1 is way off base. All the other points are accurate, but unimportant given the CIA admission.
ieoeja
Nov 2013
#40
Thanks! What I saw at the time said "personnel". I didn't delve into it because I find all of this
ieoeja
Nov 2013
#49
No, I'm not wrong. His son said his father had a different view in private.
former9thward
Nov 2013
#198
Ever notice how the CTists find it "fishy" that the Dallas Police could nab Oswald so quickly
stopbush
Nov 2013
#24
Oh, the DPD had plenty, especially as they were working with the Fed agencies from the get-go.
stopbush
Nov 2013
#189
While I never believed Oswald acted alone, something's fishy here. A Marine working on the U2???
Scuba
Nov 2013
#10
I was assigned to Andrews AFB, home of Air Force One. Doesn't mean I worked on it.
Scuba
Nov 2013
#29
Thanks for the factual corrective, not that it will change the minds of the easily duped.
stopbush
Nov 2013
#18
Why did Ruby go to the police station armed with a pistol with every intent on coming back?
Uncle Joe
Nov 2013
#52
Ruby went to the police station several times after Oswald had been arrested as my post# 55
Uncle Joe
Nov 2013
#69
Security was lax even for that day and age especially considering the prisoner they held.
Uncle Joe
Nov 2013
#96
Yes: "I believe that Kennedy was murdered for the same reason and by the same people who murdered...
villager
Nov 2013
#127
It's no great feat to get you. But truth is more important here at DU than your BS.
stopbush
Nov 2013
#123
FACT: Policeman ID'd Oswald having a Coke in the lunch room about a minute after the shootings.
Octafish
Nov 2013
#115
and Victoria Adams and Sandra Stiles use the same set of stairs that Oswald would have
KurtNYC
Nov 2013
#139
That must be why I said ''about'' and said 90 seconds in the post. Picture this...
Octafish
Nov 2013
#150
Right. The diagram is to show how how far the Warren Commission goes to pin it on Oswald.
Octafish
Nov 2013
#163
The Russians wouldn't have him. The Cubans wouldn't have him. The CIA wouldn't have him.
duffyduff
Nov 2013
#146
"What American goes to the USSR during the height of the Cold War, comes back like nothing happened"
JVS
Nov 2013
#168
I agree. When someone performs an assassination, there's little incentive for his...
JVS
Nov 2013
#173
If you want to believe that Ruby shot Oswald and spent the rest of his life in prison
KurtNYC
Nov 2013
#157
He and a handful of conspirators.....yet many believed, and still do, that the leaders of the South
cbdo2007
Nov 2013
#250
Bush's name, kids' names, personal info was in De Mohrenschildt's address book.
Octafish
Nov 2013
#205
George DeMohrenschildt knew the Bouvier family when Jackie Kennedy was a child
zappaman
Nov 2013
#206
I don't find JFK's assassination or anything about it a "source of amusement"
zappaman
Nov 2013
#216
Here's what I found regarding the Connally perception v. the single bullet evidence
Camballo
Nov 2013
#226
I started this thread to talk about why the large majority doubt parts of the WCR
KurtNYC
Nov 2013
#229
Actually, Connally was correct in thinking he had been hit by the second bullet fired.
stopbush
Nov 2013
#245
"1. No Motive." Oswald was a strange man, with a history of strange behavior. It is unrealistic
struggle4progress
Nov 2013
#251