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In reply to the discussion: Contrary to popular opinion, DU is supposed to be for politically *liberal* people. Either that or [View all]ScreamingMeemie
(68,918 posts)182. No, I do. And it scares the crap out of me.
Sorry...but I don't think you understand.
Also, why did you rec that horrifically homophobic post that was hidden in GD about Anonymous with the "George Bush" title? I was shocked to see that, to be honest.
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Contrary to popular opinion, DU is supposed to be for politically *liberal* people. Either that or [View all]
Dark n Stormy Knight
Oct 2013
OP
My MSNBC score said I was a Bleeding Heart Liberal. So I guess I'm welcome here
Pretzel_Warrior
Oct 2013
#1
To which I object. One example of why I posted this. Either this site is for liberals and we have
Dark n Stormy Knight
Oct 2013
#21
The TOS seems to think so, if you believe that DU is for preachers. As someone else said,
Dark n Stormy Knight
Oct 2013
#64
You are correct. I misunderstood which "outer edges" s/he was referring to.
Dark n Stormy Knight
Oct 2013
#88
I was more referring to the recent broad swath spying on vast reams of MANY Americans' data.
Pretzel_Warrior
Oct 2013
#9
nods - just curious - i agree that the broad brush stuff is really something they should stop
el_bryanto
Oct 2013
#14
You're simply taking your personal view and labeling anyone with a more moderate view
treestar
Oct 2013
#242
Nevertherless, it seems to me that if the TOS for an entire site says the site is for "liberals,"
Dark n Stormy Knight
Oct 2013
#10
There are a heck of a lot of posts here lately espousing points of view that I believe most liberals
Dark n Stormy Knight
Oct 2013
#26
then it would probably be good to point that out to the posters in a case by case
Pretzel_Warrior
Oct 2013
#28
That would be extremely inefficient. Not to mention, specific to me. I did not write the TOS. I'd
Dark n Stormy Knight
Oct 2013
#75
I have been thinking the same thing. Maybe Liberal doesn't mean exactly what I think it means, or
Dark n Stormy Knight
Oct 2013
#78
Normally, liberal covers a scope of ideas. By definition, "liberal" is not a rigid term.
JDPriestly
Oct 2013
#128
None of that is new to me, yet I am still wonder what definition of liberal is meant in the DU TOS.
Dark n Stormy Knight
Oct 2013
#173
Maybe there's something wrong with it or maybe not, but the TOS does label and exclude certain
Dark n Stormy Knight
Oct 2013
#440
Nope. At least that's not what the TOS says. If I say, and I repeat my self, that my club is
Dark n Stormy Knight
Oct 2013
#115
that's what jumps out at me....there have been NUMEROUS violations of that!
VanillaRhapsody
Oct 2013
#123
It means within the political framework....DEMOCRATS....not Anarchy....
VanillaRhapsody
Oct 2013
#312
Notice how the R's fans the fire of their most rightward faction and it gets attention and gets
cui bono
Oct 2013
#116
Or, they are afraid of embracing liberals. They may support quite leftward liberal
Dark n Stormy Knight
Oct 2013
#120
Agreed. The monied interests benefit by political shifts to the right, not the left.
GoneFishin
Oct 2013
#251
Yep. This site would be a lot more Democratic if those types were tombstoned.
cui bono
Oct 2013
#344
In an endless downward spiral, the drift to the right also makes it more likely that Right-leaners
Dark n Stormy Knight
Oct 2013
#444
do you know anything about statistics? then you will know most populations
Pretzel_Warrior
Oct 2013
#43
The population in question must be defined. Otherwise, you have a bell curve that describes all
Dark n Stormy Knight
Oct 2013
#83
We don't know anything of the sort. We do assume that a lot. We also assume randomness a lot.
bemildred
Oct 2013
#238
That's the key though. Establishment liberals versus more liberal progressives.
SolutionisSolidarity
Oct 2013
#27
Well, again, maybe that needs a definition as well. The writers of the TOS included, "Teabaggers
Dark n Stormy Knight
Oct 2013
#17
Perhaps, but many of those viewpoints that are not necessarily right wing are also clearly not
Dark n Stormy Knight
Oct 2013
#30
Not a disconnect in terms of DU membership requirements. If I say a club is for teens who like to
Dark n Stormy Knight
Oct 2013
#106
So-called 'free trade' is not liberal. It's not even correctly named as it is not free trade at all.
cui bono
Oct 2013
#346
Well there are a lot of people who call themselves liberal when they really are not.
cui bono
Oct 2013
#358
I don't disagree with that. As long as the regulations have in them something about limited size
cui bono
Oct 2013
#362
Not being in favor of marriage equality as a "litmus test" for DU is VERY recent
MNBrewer
Oct 2013
#375
I know. So, the question is, what does the TOS mean by the term "liberal".
Dark n Stormy Knight
Oct 2013
#438
is it more accruate to say that the system that pays them and helps keep them ELECTED
Volaris
Oct 2013
#110
Well they do say things and support things and vote for things that aren't liberal
cui bono
Oct 2013
#122
is that a problem that can be adressed and corrected from WITHIN that same system, IYO?
Volaris
Oct 2013
#132
I'm anti-abortion, but I still NEVER vote for a Rethug. I don't always vote for Dems either.
Th1onein
Oct 2013
#11
I do not support abortion, period. You are framing it in your way, from an INFERENCE that you make.
Th1onein
Oct 2013
#112
Ectopic pregnancies are sometimes found before they rupture, in which case it is ended before to
uppityperson
Oct 2013
#272
No one?? There have been quite a few ectopic pregnancies that resulted in live births.
REP
Oct 2013
#389
I will not personally engage in or supporty a specific abortion on my own moral grounds
hooverville29
Oct 2013
#285
I call you a hypocrite unless you have your name on the list for LIVE organ transplant.
idwiyo
Oct 2013
#239
But of course! "All life is sacred" BUT hers is most sacred of all! Damn hypocrite.
idwiyo
Oct 2013
#402
Are you opposed to the practice of abortion or are you opposed to the legality of abortion? nt
el_bryanto
Oct 2013
#16
If you feel like Abortion should be legally proscribed - you don't really fit in around here
el_bryanto
Oct 2013
#314
Holy shit. You're seriously anti-abortion? What the hell are you doing here?
Gravitycollapse
Oct 2013
#24
I've never actually seen anyone say they were anti-abortion on here before.
Gravitycollapse
Oct 2013
#36
Actually, Gravitycollapse, I think that there are a lot of people who consider themselves liberal
Th1onein
Oct 2013
#67
I'm more concerned with the mother than with a zygote or embryo or fetus.
Gravitycollapse
Oct 2013
#76
If you are attempting to make yourself sound noble for disparaging female autonomy...
Gravitycollapse
Oct 2013
#105
Logical conclusion to anti-choicer's claim that "every life is sacred". Wonder how many people died
idwiyo
Oct 2013
#403
Please define "Life" as you are using it here. It has different meanings and hence use and I would
uppityperson
Oct 2013
#274
Whatever, Prosense. If I don't respond to you again? Well, you know the deal.....
Th1onein
Oct 2013
#159
But you think someone has a right to legislate that a woman carry to term and birth a child.
cui bono
Oct 2013
#372
I'd like her to define "Life" for us as I think she is using it in a different way, different defini
uppityperson
Oct 2013
#276
"YOU believe, however, that life does not begin at conception" WHAT is "life"?
uppityperson
Oct 2013
#275
You have to understand that your are denying female autonomy. And that is misogyny.
Gravitycollapse
Oct 2013
#87
This is where I am, which is why I always say I'm against abortion for myself.
ScreamingMeemie
Oct 2013
#93
I understand what you're saying, ScreamingMeemie, but we impose our belief systems upon others every
Th1onein
Oct 2013
#114
Good night Th1onein. You're being deliberately obtuse when it comes to dictating
ScreamingMeemie
Oct 2013
#160
I think I know which post you are talking about, and the title of the post wasn't the subject of the
Th1onein
Oct 2013
#301
Doesn't everyone think that their position is reasonable? I'm no more condescending than anyone who
Th1onein
Oct 2013
#427
But life as in a viable human life outside the womb, does not begin at conception.
cui bono
Oct 2013
#433
I am not being condescending. Especially when people ignore what I am saying and only lob insults.
Th1onein
Oct 2013
#436
I don't expect anyone to jump on my bandwagon. But I do expect polite discourse.
Th1onein
Oct 2013
#468
Words fail me. Describing your behavior in terms you do not like is an insult and personal attack?
uppityperson
Oct 2013
#464
That was the very first post to you and I wouldn't consider it "verbally abusive".
cui bono
Oct 2013
#467
Cui Bono, we disagree. I actually think that this position is very consistent with the liberal
Th1onein
Oct 2013
#469
There are actually a group of liberals, Democrats for Life, who are against abortion.
Th1onein
Oct 2013
#474
Dems are not necessarily liberal though. Do you have stats as to percentage of liberals
cui bono
Oct 2013
#475
Where did I say that? Anyway, did you have a link to statistics of anti-choice liberals?
cui bono
Oct 2013
#488
How many of those Democrats for "life" are on mandatory live organ donation list?
idwiyo
Oct 2013
#498
Sorry, Idwiyo, in order to buy into your argument, I'd have to agree with your paradigm.
Th1onein
Oct 2013
#504
If you're here to lob insults, I'm not listening. If you are here to discuss this issue, you need
Th1onein
Oct 2013
#510
About 40% of Dems self-describe as pro-life. I think that's a pretty substantial number.
Th1onein
Oct 2013
#505
Yes it is silly. You can't even acknowledge that there are moderate Dems who aren't liberal.
cui bono
Oct 2013
#516
If you want me to change my framing away from making it a women's rights issue it ain't gonna happen
cui bono
Oct 2013
#520
That poster has been very polite and slung no insults. Condescending is also saying someone who
uppityperson
Oct 2013
#463
Do you pay taxes and support war? Why or how do you manage to pay no taxes?
uppityperson
Oct 2013
#280
Now you equate paying taxes with supporting your child financially? What law says we have to respect
uppityperson
Oct 2013
#279
I see. So you deny women the right to an abortion for morality, but are ok funding wars that kill
uppityperson
Oct 2013
#323
Both of those laws require us to intervene, and yes, in a dangerous situation sometimes.
Th1onein
Oct 2013
#140
"choice should begin before a person has unprotected sex"? what about in cases of rape or contracept
uppityperson
Oct 2013
#282
Come on, now, uppityperson! I have not ever called anyone a "damn slut." Geez.
Th1onein
Oct 2013
#322
I notice you didn't answer any of my questions. Try again, I'll rephrase it to take out those words.
uppityperson
Oct 2013
#324
I don't think that either rape or contraceptive failure is a choice. Of course not.
Th1onein
Oct 2013
#327
You are fine legislating that raped women and those pregnant by contraceptive failure must try and
uppityperson
Oct 2013
#329
Will you define "life" since there are many meanings and I want to hear yours? Thank you.
uppityperson
Oct 2013
#337
So you believe a women who is raped and impregnated should be forced to carry to term.
cui bono
Oct 2013
#374
It is a choice not supported by religion or morals. Rather like your take on abortion.
uppityperson
Oct 2013
#283
I will not participate in or support a specific abortion myself, and believe others
hooverville29
Oct 2013
#287
to be fair, that was 9 years ago. I'd like to hear if they feel the same now. Hmmm, they posted toda
uppityperson
Oct 2013
#408
See, that right there, for me, is hugely anti-liberal. What the bible says should not matter in
Dark n Stormy Knight
Oct 2013
#448
That was NINE years ago, I asked them if they had changed their mind and got this to share.
uppityperson
Oct 2013
#485
Given post 485, I think you might want to consider deleting your accusation.
msanthrope
Nov 2013
#528
You are not a radical feminist AND against abortion. Those two are mutually exclusive issues.
Gravitycollapse
Oct 2013
#84
I'm sorry, but you do not define me or my politics. I am both a radical feminist and anti-abortion.
Th1onein
Oct 2013
#90
Yes, I'm sure there must be tens of you. And you all misappropriate the term "feminism."
Gravitycollapse
Oct 2013
#96
Gravitycollapse, I have always had tons of respect for you. Have some for me.
Th1onein
Oct 2013
#107
Not a good argument for your position. EVERYONE ELSE thinks such and such.....sorry, doesn't fly.
Th1onein
Oct 2013
#470
I've slept on it and have concluded there is no possible way to be a progressive...
Gravitycollapse
Oct 2013
#326
I'm sorry you came to that conclusion. There are many progressives that would disagree with you.
Th1onein
Oct 2013
#335
Why should we have respect for your opinion denying women the right to a safe, legal, hygienic abort
uppityperson
Oct 2013
#284
Yes it is possible for a male to be a radical feminist. Although highly unlikely...
Gravitycollapse
Oct 2013
#321
Not true. *CHOICE* is advocated for each woman, not a predetermination of what the choice should be.
hooverville29
Oct 2013
#288
No one has asked whether what this supporter of all life would do if the life of the child
Dark n Stormy Knight
Oct 2013
#213
When the mother is unconscious and the decision must be made immediately? Either option is equally
Dark n Stormy Knight
Oct 2013
#426
I really don't know the answer to that question, but I would veer in the direction of saving the
Th1onein
Oct 2013
#428
Thanks for the reply. So dictating the use of a person's body part(s) to support a life is not the
Dark n Stormy Knight
Oct 2013
#435
Did you even read that post? "A" is radically different from "A" and "most people" would agree?
uppityperson
Oct 2013
#501
If a pg woman were unconcious and dying, you would "probably" save her life by an abortion if that
uppityperson
Oct 2013
#500
Ask them their definition of "life", would you. Since it has been thrown out undefined, if you would
uppityperson
Oct 2013
#465
In a case where the mother's life depends on aborting the fetus, who dies by your rules?
Dark n Stormy Knight
Oct 2013
#216
Screw anyone who wants to impose their beliefs on my right to chose what to do with my body.
idwiyo
Oct 2013
#201
I have a big problem with calling an anti-abortion stance a "pro-life ethic,"
truebluegreen
Oct 2013
#292
Sometimes abortion is preferred to continuing the pregnancy. And it IS a women's right issue.
uppityperson
Oct 2013
#328
Obviously. You call abortion homicide and women who get them murders and yourself a radical feminist
uppityperson
Oct 2013
#339
I am also. That's why I have spent a lot of my career working & volunteering at reproductive health
uppityperson
Oct 2013
#348
I'm not going to argue with you. We clearly disagree. But if you want to continue to air
Th1onein
Oct 2013
#352
Those are your beliefs and you are entitled to them. As I am to mine. Now, we are done.
Th1onein
Oct 2013
#366
This issue is what changed my repub mom into a strong Democrat. If you vote or work to restrict
uppityperson
Oct 2013
#502
All too liberally, imnsho. So, I'd like to know if certain posters who I don't think are liberals
Dark n Stormy Knight
Oct 2013
#40
So, a person who is anti-abortion, anti-food stamps, anti-regulation, anti-equal rights,
Dark n Stormy Knight
Oct 2013
#70
On this site, whoever owns it and controls it has that right. I just wish they'd be clear
Dark n Stormy Knight
Oct 2013
#146
Have you checked with Ask the Administrators for clarification? or is this argument sufficient?
Hekate
Oct 2013
#34
You've got over 20,000 posts. You can't expect newer members to know everything you know about DU.
Dark n Stormy Knight
Oct 2013
#449
Maybe you should get a little more DU knowledge under your belt before drawing lines. n/t
Bolo Boffin
Oct 2013
#497
same here. some fail to see they have a very narrow definition of "liberal"
Pretzel_Warrior
Oct 2013
#59
Apparently the OP thinks the DU-TOS is Holy Writ, and he's the prophet who interprets it
Hekate
Oct 2013
#212
Interesting. You choose to *interpret* my words to mean something I did not say or mean, and you
Dark n Stormy Knight
Oct 2013
#451
Because I think when people take positions in line with a democratic President...
BluegrassStateBlues
Oct 2013
#50
If that's the Democrat running, absolutely. You know Kucinich was anti-choice until '04, right?
Recursion
Oct 2013
#81
Fair enough challenge to the fact that I offered more of an opinion than a fact
Volaris
Oct 2013
#183
Yeah, I'm selecting a specific part of the TOS that says a specific thing. Those other things
Dark n Stormy Knight
Oct 2013
#57
I'm not spinning anything. If you are trying to say that "DU is for politically liberal people"
Dark n Stormy Knight
Oct 2013
#177
As I posted above, this is where the problem lies. The elected Dems and the ones who are "allowed"
cui bono
Oct 2013
#69
Correct, but it would be crazy to call a site Democratic Underground if it's not for Democrats.
Dark n Stormy Knight
Oct 2013
#184
Sounds like you want less Democrats elected. That is against the TOS, too.
Dark n Stormy Knight
Oct 2013
#169
That's really pouty. If you believe in liberal policies, you should vote for politicians who also
Dark n Stormy Knight
Oct 2013
#185
First of all, what you said has nothing to do with what I said. I will repeat:
Dark n Stormy Knight
Oct 2013
#220
Lol! Who died and took your reading comprehension skills with them?
Dark n Stormy Knight
Oct 2013
#424
Don't be silly. Anyone who wants to call themselves a liberal is one. Magic wand.
Dark n Stormy Knight
Oct 2013
#167
Yes, the TOS contains a number of types of people who are not welcome. You should read it.
Dark n Stormy Knight
Oct 2013
#164
If there are no differences, then there should be no separate parties. They will totally have to
Dark n Stormy Knight
Oct 2013
#188
I don't even think the real clashes are about degree of liberalness, but about pragmatism vs.
Recursion
Oct 2013
#85
Who's to say what's liberal, even some of the time? Do we have a definition or not? If you
Dark n Stormy Knight
Oct 2013
#190
The actual book definitions of "Liberal" and "Progressive" are themselves broad.
stevenleser
Oct 2013
#299
Depends on the book. And many would not consider Wikipedia "the book." Nevertheless, DU's TOS
Dark n Stormy Knight
Oct 2013
#432
The TOS specifically says it's for liberals. So, that would mean not for Democrats who are not
Dark n Stormy Knight
Oct 2013
#196
You think that I think that? I never said that. My most recent thought about what the TOS says is
Dark n Stormy Knight
Oct 2013
#434
Since the first sentence of the TOS specifies that DU is for "politically liberal people,"
Dark n Stormy Knight
Oct 2013
#195
Kind of harsh calling what you think bullshit, but hey, feel free to discredit
Dark n Stormy Knight
Oct 2013
#199
Again, you react to your incorrect interpretation of my words. If you were really good at spotting
Dark n Stormy Knight
Oct 2013
#437
Be prepared to get blasted for your "purity" test and "Oh, so YOU should get to decide what's
Dark n Stormy Knight
Oct 2013
#204
Democratic Underground is where I got the word on which you focus here, but that was not the focus
Dark n Stormy Knight
Oct 2013
#230
You seem to be the one who wants to tell other people what they mean. Whoever wrote the TOS
Dark n Stormy Knight
Oct 2013
#439
No. I said if the TOS doesn't mean what it says, it should be changed to reflect
Dark n Stormy Knight
Oct 2013
#443
Dang. I'm taking some time off, but I've been lurking...who could completely abstain after 8 years?
cherokeeprogressive
Oct 2013
#163
good to see you back, cherokeeprogressive ! I really thought you were a "goner"
steve2470
Oct 2013
#214
Interesting that you think my OP says things it does not say, but hey, you obviously wanted to be
Dark n Stormy Knight
Oct 2013
#222
Especially when those Right Wing talking points are from such an extreme Right Wing. nt
Enthusiast
Oct 2013
#174
Nice of you to misinterpret my OP to fit your own image of what you feel like railing against.
Dark n Stormy Knight
Oct 2013
#200
Apology accepted. You say you let the system take care of the far right posters.
Dark n Stormy Knight
Oct 2013
#228
But there is a limit to tolerance. If not, DU should ban no one, ever, for any reason.
Dark n Stormy Knight
Oct 2013
#431
DU = the Democratic Party base, progressives, stealth conservatives, trolls, moderates....
steve2470
Oct 2013
#218
My OP doesn't call for narrowing of the TOS. At first I was pointing out that the
Dark n Stormy Knight
Oct 2013
#231
DU members tend to be more liberal on some issues, more moderate, or even centrist on others.
JoePhilly
Oct 2013
#248
DKF was banned for promoting non-liberal ideas, no? It did have something to do with a label. So,
Dark n Stormy Knight
Oct 2013
#429
For me, the difference between Democrats and Republicans is taking care of one another
LittleBlue
Oct 2013
#223
You make a good point, but the question related to my OP and your reply is this,
Dark n Stormy Knight
Oct 2013
#233
Not exactly. Change question 4 to say "including anti-choice" and watch what's going to happen.
idwiyo
Oct 2013
#240
I think you hit on the issue with that survey, too much left to interpretation, too much ambiguity
stevenleser
Oct 2013
#297
I bet good number of "pragmatic liberals" have a problem sharing DU with a anti-choice cheerleader
idwiyo
Oct 2013
#331
That's the point though, isn't it? Where each of us draws the line is potentially different, and...
stevenleser
Oct 2013
#360
So, it's OK to treat a woman as an object and force her to risk her health and possibly life
idwiyo
Oct 2013
#384
Oh FFS, please dispense with the melodrama and the straw men, no one is buying it.
stevenleser
Oct 2013
#386
You don't have a problem it seems to accept anti-choicers as allies, according to what you wrote.
idwiyo
Oct 2013
#392
The moment they start demanding they get what they want in exchange for their support.
idwiyo
Oct 2013
#396
That's interesting and important. But, as far as my OP, it was about the TOS and what it was saying
Dark n Stormy Knight
Oct 2013
#453
A lot of "Right Wing talking points" are actually true when liberals say them.
gulliver
Oct 2013
#249
It seems that you ascribe to the "first sentence is the key" school of analysis.
riqster
Oct 2013
#257
Damn nice to know that even here on DU anti-choicers can keep advocating their views.
idwiyo
Oct 2013
#387
She, and everyone who thinks anti-choicers have a right to be here are hypocrites.
idwiyo
Oct 2013
#397
Well, she should have thought of the possibilities when she chose to have sex!!!1111
uppityperson
Oct 2013
#398
Unless Admin kicks that anti-abortionist hypocrite off DU, there is little anyone can do.
idwiyo
Oct 2013
#499
Oddly enough, part of the nature of liberal is that there is no hard definition.
IronLionZion
Oct 2013
#405
Anti-choice people shouldn't be allowed here and they shouldn't be allowed to post their views.
Vashta Nerada
Oct 2013
#414
Politically liberal people is functionally defined as supporting Democrats for office.
aikoaiko
Oct 2013
#476
Holy shit! That blog even has the mandatory spelling mistake..so lame. n/t
Fix The Stupid
Oct 2013
#517