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Silent3

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163. I will own that I said both side *have among them* people as I described

Sun Oct 20, 2013, 03:38 PM

Oct 2013

That doesn't become an outlandish statement until you add your own layer of interpretation that my even bothering to say what I said must mean that I'm proposing some sort of equivalence in numbers, political force, or danger to the body politic -- which I did not do.

Any large group of people, be it a political party, a religion, or even stamp collectors is going to have among their numbers bad and crazy people. I'm sure there are Democratic car thieves, Republican embezzlers, and stamp collectors who have cheated on their taxes. These are hardly claims so shocking they should require proof.

I'm sure there are red-headed Democrats too, but if you asked me to *prove* that there are, I might still be stymied in trying to come up with incontrovertible evidence in a form that I could post online, especially if it has to be satisfying to someone who is hostile to the idea.

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We have our own "Burn it down! Let it all burn down!" faction here. [View all] Silent3 Oct 2013 OP

You're right, that bailout was necessary Warpy Oct 2013 #1

I certainly agree that the form of the bailout sucked Silent3 Oct 2013 #5

I agree with that gopiscrap Oct 2013 #154

I agree with you, Warpy, and I further explain that a large number of us Nay Oct 2013 #14

What should have happened is the same thing that happened at GM Warpy Oct 2013 #83

What should have happened was nationalizing the banks. truebluegreen Oct 2013 #145

Agreed, Iceland showed us the way Warpy Oct 2013 #160

He was dumb and cowardly enough to, if his advisors had been for it. truebluegreen Oct 2013 #170

There is also a view that putting off the inevitable simply is kicking the can down the road. Katashi_itto Oct 2013 #187

I guess everyone living in Iceland was stark raving nuts then. Oakenshield Oct 2013 #126

No, I said at the time that was the better course Warpy Oct 2013 #159

Did any such similar bills ever reach Stupid's desk? Oakenshield Oct 2013 #178

My reaction to your post is quite negative. Laelth Oct 2013 #2

I share many frustrations with the Democratic Party as it is. Silent3 Oct 2013 #10

I hear you, honestly. Laelth Oct 2013 #15

The 'Crazy Left' got Elizabeth Warren elected. The 'sensible' left sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #31

Electing Warren didn't require the kind of nihilistic crazy I'm takling about... Silent3 Oct 2013 #38

What ARE you talking about then??? This is a standard 'moral equivalency' sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #49

The only thing I apparently didn't do a good job of... Silent3 Oct 2013 #63

No, misguided self-assessment. cui bono Oct 2013 #91

I likened people who I distinctly remember either plainly saying "let it burn down!"... Silent3 Oct 2013 #94

Even if there were people who genuinely wanted no bail out whatsoever, cui bono Oct 2013 #95

If I could figure out how to search the old DU web site well enough to pull out posts... Silent3 Oct 2013 #96

Okay, so let's take as a starting point that these posts were made. cui bono Oct 2013 #98

The very first line of my OP makes clear that I know there's a big difference in power... Silent3 Oct 2013 #100

It means it is a false equivalency. Period. cui bono Oct 2013 #101

The only false equivalency is in your head. Silent3 Oct 2013 #108

Mm-hm... because I disagree with you and bring up valid points I'm feeling like a victim. cui bono Oct 2013 #114

The only part of what I've said that you've stated clear disagreement with... Silent3 Oct 2013 #115

I don't agree. And I replied based on your post, I didn't go claiming what I thought you felt cui bono Oct 2013 #128

I can think of no better phrase than "reading between the lines"... Silent3 Oct 2013 #129

I'm not talking about "reading between the lines", you said I feel like I'm a victim, cui bono Oct 2013 #157

When you say I made a "misguided self-assessment", then go on to supposedly "refute"... Silent3 Oct 2013 #161

Well then perhaps a message board is the wrong place for you. cui bono Oct 2013 #164

I've been on message boards for a long, long time... going back to the 90s, well before... Silent3 Oct 2013 #166

"You see, it doesn't add up to equal. Not even close." Silent3 Oct 2013 #168

You shouldnt have to go that far back. It this "burn it all down" left exists to any extent rhett o rick Oct 2013 #165

And I never said they were equal in number or force Silent3 Oct 2013 #167

IMO it's a not so clever attack on the left. That's my opinion. nm rhett o rick Oct 2013 #188

Spoken like someone eager to find persecution... Silent3 Oct 2013 #191

It's just my opinion, but it looks like there is an outspoken minority here that continues rhett o rick Oct 2013 #193

I think it's an interesting observation, something to think about, that's all. Silent3 Oct 2013 #194

There is no appreciable faction here comparable to the TeaBaggers. There may be a poster or six rhett o rick Oct 2013 #196

And if I'd said that the people I was talking about... Silent3 Oct 2013 #198

This is just another 'divide the party' thread. Rex Oct 2013 #184

Of course, you've "got me pegged!" Silent3 Oct 2013 #195

She was elected by the voters of Massachusetts. treestar Oct 2013 #85

And she got funding from crazy progressives all across the country. I'd be real rhett o rick Oct 2013 #169

Yes, I'm of the crazy left that FDR represented myself, the party that Cleita Oct 2013 #40

+1 daleanime Oct 2013 #48

I agree, Laelth. 100% roguevalley Oct 2013 #21

Some people only want to divide us up, thankfully they are a small minority here. Rex Oct 2013 #89

DU rec... SidDithers Oct 2013 #3

I agree the bailout was necessary. However, it was misguided. Scuba Oct 2013 #4

You'll hear no argument from me that the bailout should have been a very different one... Silent3 Oct 2013 #6

Bailout to the people 20shinning13 Oct 2013 #58

Welcome to DU gopiscrap Oct 2013 #66

Welcome fellow newbie Southside Oct 2013 #74

+100 Cleita Oct 2013 #42

Saved me from having to post that perspective myself. Jackpine Radical Oct 2013 #71

Quantities, Sir, And Position, Matter, Though The Magistrate Oct 2013 #7

Didn't I already address your point rather plainly... Silent3 Oct 2013 #12

At The Point Where You Demonstrate No Equivalency, Sir The Magistrate Oct 2013 #23

I don't feel that this was at all a standard "both sides do it"... Silent3 Oct 2013 #29

Your Feelings Do Not Concern Me, Sir: Accurate Description Does The Magistrate Oct 2013 #34

So it's best to ignore the crazy nihilists among our ranks... Silent3 Oct 2013 #43

Preferable, Sir, To Pretending They Are Giants Big As the Old Red Army We Should Tremble Over The Magistrate Oct 2013 #51

There's not a thing in my post that pretends "they are giants"... Silent3 Oct 2013 #60

That is The Whole Thrust Of Your Post, Sir, And Most Who Read It, Got It Clearly The Magistrate Oct 2013 #78

You're completely tacking on supposed purposes and reasons... Silent3 Oct 2013 #111

Your Basic Problem, Sir, Is That You Are Writing In English The Magistrate Oct 2013 #118

I didn't realize that invisible in-between-lines words... Silent3 Oct 2013 #121

And DU is known as an "out there" liberal forum. Barack_America Oct 2013 #27

With all due respect, the OP isn't talking about this forum, explicitly. joshcryer Oct 2013 #131

SO all that mentioning of DU and DUers was just for show? Rex Oct 2013 #186

Key word "faction." joshcryer Oct 2013 #189

The problem with this argument is that it is weak. el_bryanto Oct 2013 #8

What argument do you think I made that was weak? Silent3 Oct 2013 #22

History is not kind to anarchy Cirque du So-What Oct 2013 #9

Didn't I say, using different words, that history isn't kind to anarchy? Silent3 Oct 2013 #19

No, it's in agreement with you Cirque du So-What Oct 2013 #62

anarchy does not require "burn it all down" it requires the democratization of all institutions. nt. Warren Stupidity Oct 2013 #33

Perhaps 'anarchy' was a poor choice of words Cirque du So-What Oct 2013 #64

actually it takes getting rid of our current form of Govt altogether... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2013 #102

Anarchism is a political theory and it does not require chaos. Warren Stupidity Oct 2013 #105

Its very definition IS Chaos...it is in the dictionary as Synonymous!!!!! VanillaRhapsody Oct 2013 #106

While there look up equivocation. Warren Stupidity Oct 2013 #110

No...You better look it up... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2013 #113

why? G_j Oct 2013 #11

My sister Silent3 Oct 2013 #16

what I am saying is that G_j Oct 2013 #30

The bailout wasn't the problem, it was the failure to hold the bankers that did it responsible. Agnosticsherbet Oct 2013 #13

That certainly was a big problem... Silent3 Oct 2013 #17

Exactly. n2doc Oct 2013 #55

The most extreme left and the most extreme right rrneck Oct 2013 #18

Most people who were even against the bailout were conscience that the term of the "Deal" sucked... BlueJazz Oct 2013 #20

I don't understand the "let the rich bastards suffer" viewpoint. It is ass back-wards. bluestate10 Oct 2013 #24

Maybe because it never existed on the 'crazy left'. Another one of these sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #46

+a whole lot..... daleanime Oct 2013 #52

You point up a large problem with the far Left. bluestate10 Oct 2013 #155

And you just pointed out exactly what I'm talking about. sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #156

What utter garbage. More divide and conquer corporate bullshit, comparing liberals to the Tea Party. woo me with science Oct 2013 #25

Who was divided or conquered by what I wrote? Silent3 Oct 2013 #44

Thanks Woo. This IS a Corporate meme, protecting their interests from sabrina 1 Oct 2013 #53

+ a million nt laundry_queen Oct 2013 #125

k&r Well said. idwiyo Oct 2013 #202

False equivalency flamebait. 99Forever Oct 2013 #26

Yes. djean111 Oct 2013 #32

^^^^^This is the correct answer. ^^^^^^ woo me with science Oct 2013 #39

Yep, the usual boatload of fallacies and false choices. pa28 Oct 2013 #77

Nonsense. indeed but Propaganda. Perfect lunasun Oct 2013 #116

The last time I heard that many disclaimers was in an ED commercial. Orsino Oct 2013 #197

I have no idea what you are trying to get across. 99Forever Oct 2013 #204

I think the biggest problem with your analysis... ljm2002 Oct 2013 #28

Hippie-punching is soooooo much fun, though! djean111 Oct 2013 #35

Indeed BelgianMadCow Oct 2013 #45

"Interesting that "The Left" has become a pejorative term here"... ljm2002 Oct 2013 #47

Not surprising, I suppose, when disliking any of Obama's policies makes one an Obama-hater. djean111 Oct 2013 #82

^^This. And never a policy discussion included with that labeling. cui bono Oct 2013 #88

I believe, like others fredamae Oct 2013 #36

The bailout as implemented was a corrupt cluster-fuck that has simply put off the inevitable. Warren Stupidity Oct 2013 #37

The question isn't whether you support the admittedly awful aspects of the bailout... Silent3 Oct 2013 #41

The bailout, implemented by the bush Warren Stupidity Oct 2013 #54

I'm talking about the fight that happened before Obama was in office Silent3 Oct 2013 #57

Those who claim that you cannot make an omelette without breaking eggs... riqster Oct 2013 #50

Can you provide some examples? Links to threads? JHB Oct 2013 #56

They are called Anarchists-both on the left AND the right. ErikJ Oct 2013 #59

and you forget...White Supremacists and Militias... VanillaRhapsody Oct 2013 #103

Libertarians are anarchists ErikJ Oct 2013 #104

Huh. The 2013 version of "Look how good slavery has been for the savages". n/t jtuck004 Oct 2013 #61

Intended or not, this amplification of the views of an extreme minority ends up gtar100 Oct 2013 #65

false equivocation fascisthunter Oct 2013 #67

Centrists are oblivious and uncaring about all the pain and suffering that is happening right now. Zorra Oct 2013 #68

yes, yes, those lefty extremists I keep reading about stupidicus Oct 2013 #69

I don't think that all the discussions on DU where there are different opinions loudsue Oct 2013 #70

The crazy right is more prevalent and more entrenched in important positions, BluegrassStateBlues Oct 2013 #72

And we have a faction here that constantly spouts this false equivalency. n/t Egalitarian Thug Oct 2013 #73

An historical point MFrohike Oct 2013 #75

I suggest you read Griftopia By Matt Taibbi SomethingFishy Oct 2013 #76

This ==> But no one was "bailed out" there was no "bail out". CrispyQ Oct 2013 #81

If there was any hyperbole in the "burn it down!" stuff, the hyperbole wasn't mine. Silent3 Oct 2013 #99

Yes we do Pretzel_Warrior Oct 2013 #79

I'm so crazy left I've gone Green. CrispyQ Oct 2013 #80

:^) GreenPartyVoter Oct 2013 #177

THANK GOD IT PASSED! SammyWinstonJack Oct 2013 #84

Yeah, that one's long gone. cui bono Oct 2013 #92

Thank goodness for the 'trash thread' icon! Rex Oct 2013 #86

Unrec. For all the reasons stated above already. cui bono Oct 2013 #87

The Simplistic Centrists need to get some new material. For the love of Mike, just Bluenorthwest Oct 2013 #90

Spandan could not even bring himself to vote for Obama! Rex Oct 2013 #93

How is the world is my OP an example of simplistic centrism? Silent3 Oct 2013 #97

What a self serving evasion of your own harsh attack on 'the crazies' on 'both sides' Bluenorthwest Oct 2013 #137

So because you have this whole complex of associations that goes with the phrase "both sides"... Silent3 Oct 2013 #138

Is that what I said? No, and characterizing me is no replacement for supporting your Bluenorthwest Oct 2013 #142

So your position is that both sides don't have crazies? Silent3 Oct 2013 #144

I'm not in the mood for eloquence, so I'll just say, GARBAGE. (nt) scarletwoman Oct 2013 #107

And I'm no longer in the mood for dealing with people determined to find insult... Silent3 Oct 2013 #109

As I see it, the progressives have a lot of work to do to undo the mess the conservatives have rhett o rick Oct 2013 #180

High Marks For Economy, Ma'am.... The Magistrate Oct 2013 #120

Spot on! Rex Oct 2013 #185

True. But there's a difference Turbineguy Oct 2013 #112

Oh, yes, that does make it much, much scarier. Silent3 Oct 2013 #119

So what you're saying is "both sides do it" Jeff In Milwaukee Oct 2013 #117

No, that's not what I said at all. Silent3 Oct 2013 #122

Well... Jeff In Milwaukee Oct 2013 #123

The only reason I felt I needed to update my OP... Silent3 Oct 2013 #124

How kind of you Caretha Oct 2013 #133

None of those things, because I'm not a centrist. Silent3 Oct 2013 #134

Actually Caretha Oct 2013 #135

No, that's not the whole premise Silent3 Oct 2013 #136

In other words... Jeff In Milwaukee Oct 2013 #140

The thing is I'd hardly be bothered if someone merely said "I don't believe you" Silent3 Oct 2013 #143

Um...I say again Jeff In Milwaukee Oct 2013 #147

Of course I see that as a qualitative difference... Silent3 Oct 2013 #148

Can I have my dressing on the side? Jeff In Milwaukee Oct 2013 #149

I'll happily explain any of the big words if they're too hard for you. n/t Silent3 Oct 2013 #150

I don't mean to be cruel Jeff In Milwaukee Oct 2013 #151

You have infered a spectacularly bad apples-to-oranges comparison. Silent3 Oct 2013 #152

Words have meanings -- especially the literal ones Jeff In Milwaukee Oct 2013 #153

I will own that I said both side *have among them* people as I described Silent3 Oct 2013 #163

It's an outlandish statement on its face Jeff In Milwaukee Oct 2013 #171

Hey! Thanks for the insult! cui bono Oct 2013 #158

A votre service. n/t Silent3 Oct 2013 #162

later .... Lil Missy Oct 2013 #127

I get your point but clearly the "burn it down" left is not equivalent to the "burn it down" right.. DCBob Oct 2013 #130

It would take a much longer, tougher road for a left equivalent of the Tea Party to emerge... Silent3 Oct 2013 #132

yeah. none of them got elected to Congress. Only on the right. librechik Oct 2013 #139

Except for mentioning gerrymandering... Silent3 Oct 2013 #146

it's not insanity on either side Enrique Oct 2013 #141

So, what's the subject of your next OP - TBF Oct 2013 #172

Since I don't think that's reasonable... Silent3 Oct 2013 #173

Your OP is quite clear in it's intent. TBF Oct 2013 #175

It is the daily 2 minutes of hate to keep us divided at DU. Rex Oct 2013 #183

DU has not been united in a long time. joshcryer Oct 2013 #190

Well.. sendero Oct 2013 #174

Agree - TBF Oct 2013 #176

Not pissed off. It's still a false equivalence though. Threw in a few straw men too. GoneFishin Oct 2013 #179

What utter bullshit I think read a rand paul speech that was almost word for word...you can claim Drew Richards Oct 2013 #181

The daily hate. You have a copycat thread now. Rex Oct 2013 #182

Yes, god forbid we ever do any introspective criticism... Silent3 Oct 2013 #192

CNN is that you? AgingAmerican Oct 2013 #199

Perfect. "The left is as bad as the right." nm rhett o rick Oct 2013 #200

I am at a loss over the point of this OP. Seems to be saying that the Left has a crazy faction rhett o rick Oct 2013 #201

Yet another post full of pure and unadulterated bullshit. idwiyo Oct 2013 #203