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uppityperson

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43. The easiest most noticable way to cut outgo is to pay providers less.It's happened to me, as a nurse
Sun Mar 4, 2012, 03:43 PM
Mar 2012

Last edited Sun Mar 4, 2012, 04:16 PM - Edit history (1)

many times over the yrs. But. If the goal is to decrease patient care, to overwork nurses so there is a "nursing shortage", that is a good strategy.

There is no nursing shortage. There are and have been plenty of nurses. Again, but...so many have quit the profession because of the combination of over work, over stress, low salaries. Yes, a nurse in a specialized field can have a really decent salary, but for the rest of us? Same thing for many physicians. Specialists can make good wages, but family practice docs? So many clinics are being absorbed into larger groups with the pressure put on to do more, see more, in less time. It ends up being poor medicine and many docs and nurses won't do it.

The cost of health care, esp for things like MRIs is not dependent upon how much nurses and physicians make.

I'd start with for-profit health insurance companies. Regulate them more. Way more.

And look at the managers, from top on down. See who makes what and what they do. What can be shrunk down. A top manager needs an office assistant. They might need an assistant. Next down also needs an assistant. Hey, let's make another position to handle this problem, ok? Now they need an assistant also, or...they can share with the others so let's overwork that person.

Look at all those nurses. Patients and families see them working. Work nurses work. See the nurses work. Hey, if we cut one of those nurses, spread the patients out between the others, we will save....$900/day! Cool. Work nurses work. See the nurses work. See a patient have a problem and the nurse handle it. See another patient have a problem and the nurse handle it. See a 3rd patient have a problem but what is this? The nurse is busy handling the other 2 problems? Quick nurse! Leave those 2 problems and go call for help from the manager. What? They are not available? And what happened to the 3rd person with the problem? Bad nurse. Bad bad nurse. You need to prioritize! No raise for you. Oh, you also need to know that we aren't making enough money so we are increasing your patient load.

Also realize that in France, you get a lot more benefits for less salary. 5 weeks paid vacation a yr (could be 4, am too tired to look it up but it is a hell of a lot more than we do in the USA), health care, decent patient load, etc.

Remove the middle man, I mean the Insurance Co. midnight Mar 2012 #1
Also get advertising out of it. Initech Mar 2012 #5
BUT Advertise the prices so people can compare. BOHICA12 Mar 2012 #58
doctors themselves are much to blame for high costs crimsonblue Mar 2012 #6
There's blame to go around lumberjack_jeff Mar 2012 #7
Insurance companies can refuse to pay inflated prices. That somewhat helps in keeping consumers, shcrane71 Mar 2012 #8
My daughter is almost a quarter million dollars in debt for medical school. tblue37 Mar 2012 #30
+10,000 eridani Mar 2012 #31
Doctors in the USA are basically businessmen (and women) Rosa Luxemburg Mar 2012 #53
and dentists like you to have bad teeth Rosa Luxemburg Mar 2012 #54
Doctor rates for non-insurance people are higher than insurance people - dramatically. cbdo2007 Mar 2012 #17
I found the opposite. Kablooie Mar 2012 #49
Then why is the per person cost in Germany lower than in Canada? bornskeptic Mar 2012 #50
Yes, but...... izquierdista Mar 2012 #2
The film Sicko interviewed a British doctor who was making about $150,000 a year under socialized aint_no_life_nowhere Mar 2012 #20
I read somewhere, tho, that France is having trouble finding enuf qualified doctors. Honeycombe8 Mar 2012 #29
where did you read this? CreekDog Mar 2012 #35
I could bore you with the economics of health care.. crimsonblue Mar 2012 #3
Plus... crimsonblue Mar 2012 #4
I had to wait 2 months in the US KT2000 Mar 2012 #9
I was refused care by my insurance company.... Yooperman Mar 2012 #13
at one prominent hospital in Canada, average wait time for knee surgery is 109 days. crimsonblue Mar 2012 #16
And in the U.S. if you don't have the cash or the insurance dflprincess Mar 2012 #22
And in the US, you'll die a miserably, painful death for not having insurance. shcrane71 Mar 2012 #48
anecdotal CreekDog Mar 2012 #37
And that is different from my mother's six-month wait how? haele Mar 2012 #41
Wait times worst in US and Canada, other nations much better SOS Mar 2012 #44
I hope people actually read your link re Canadian wait times iverglas Mar 2012 #55
Right winger mythology, again smaug Mar 2012 #10
thanks for the ad hominem and straw men.... crimsonblue Mar 2012 #18
Please explain what you mean by "hysterical"? CreekDog Mar 2012 #38
Exactly, smaug (and I love your name - Smaug is awesome, and wicked witty) Benedict Cumberbatch anneboleyn Mar 2012 #25
Way to catapult the propaganda KeepItReal Mar 2012 #12
What propaganda? crimsonblue Mar 2012 #19
Do patients in Canada or France wait for an MRI... Chemical Bill Mar 2012 #23
not long blublu Mar 2012 #34
The waits are longer in the US for such surgeries for people without health coverage CreekDog Mar 2012 #36
Wait times? Cherry-pick much? How about the bottom line: NashvilleLefty Mar 2012 #40
how about 3500? I had four in one year, and they all cost Gabi Hayes Mar 2012 #11
I was going to say the same. MRIs are at least 3,500 and more... anneboleyn Mar 2012 #24
$3500 is like the manufacturers suggested retail price Brother Buzz Mar 2012 #27
They do one MRI then charge per view which is nothing more than virtual unbundling of Lint Head Mar 2012 #14
TL;DR - Price gouging. backscatter712 Mar 2012 #15
Here's an article for your consideration... crimsonblue Mar 2012 #21
Nevermind. Sparkly Mar 2012 #52
Unless you're including drugs, the Canadian cost is way lower... Puzzler Mar 2012 #26
$60-70 in the UAE for an MRI JCMach1 Mar 2012 #28
The BIG Difference: bvar22 Mar 2012 #32
What would be most interesting SATIRical Mar 2012 #33
I bet the janitors are equally qualified. Here's a link to some salaries. Generally make less in Fra uppityperson Mar 2012 #39
Thanks. So considering SATIRical Mar 2012 #42
The easiest most noticable way to cut outgo is to pay providers less.It's happened to me, as a nurse uppityperson Mar 2012 #43
Comparison of four cities SOS Mar 2012 #45
We pay more for poorer outcomes. We need nationalized health care now! Comrade Grumpy Mar 2012 #46
we need a cap on prices pure and simple pitohui Mar 2012 #47
Mom had a stroke. five days and bill for $98000. Now glinda Mar 2012 #51
One thing I've noticed since more people are getting stuck with high out of pocket plans is that dflprincess Mar 2012 #56
i just had one and my co-pay was 280.00 spanone Mar 2012 #57
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