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In reply to the discussion: Update on the bikers who terrorized a New York City Family. [View all]steve2470
(37,457 posts)268. Yes, “Motorcycle Gangs” Still Exist. No, They Didn’t Attack a Man in New York.
http://www.slate.com/blogs/crime/2013/10/02/alexian_lien_hollywood_stuntz_yes_motorcycle_gangs_still_exist_no_they_didn.html
You have probably already heard about Alexian Lien, the New York man who was pulled out of his car and beaten in front of his family after incurring the wrath of a group of motorcyclists on the Henry Hudson Parkway last weekend. If you havent, though, get up to speed by watching the following video:
Based on this video footage at least, it seems that Lien is not without blame in this situation; he did, after all, zoom his Range Rover through a crowd of stopped motorcyclists, allegedly paralyzing at least one of them in the process. But the publics wrath has fallen squarely on the bikers, who had gathered under the aegis of a group called Hollywood Stuntz, which apparently organizes massive road rallies in which motorcyclists congregate en masse, effectively taking over public roadways so that they can do stunts. (Or, I guess, stuntz.) The Stuntz crew has been repeatedly referred to as a motorcycle gang, a term that conjures images of leather-clad skeezeballs causing mayhem on the backs of their American-made bikes. Its a term that has nothing to do with the reality of this situation. Whatever the Stuntz riders were, they werent a motorcycle gang.
The motorcycle gang as we know itformally organized groups of hell-raising hog-riders who live on the edge of the lawfirst appeared in the 1940s, as part of the big post-World War II club-forming craze in America. They existed in opposition to legacy motorcycle clubs, groups of good citizens who cut their hair and followed the rules of the road. According to a 1991 report from the California Department of Justice, the first schism in Motorcycle Nation happened in 1947, when a rowdy group called the Pissed Off Bastards of Bloomington turned the American Motorcycle Association- (AMA) sponsored Hill Climb into a week-long brawl. The next year, after a motorcycle riot in Riverside, Calif., the local police chief pinned the violence on out-of-town outlaws. The name stuck.
The most notorious outlaw motorcycle gang is, of course, the Hells Angelsitself a spinoff of the Pissed Off Bastards of Bloomingtonthe roughnecks perhaps best known for doing a very bad job providing security at the Altamont Free Concert. Other prominent gangs include the Outlaws, the Bandidos, the Pagans, the Mongols, and the Vagos Motorcycle Club. Though they may have all begun as groups of motorcycle enthusiasts who consolidated to protect their rights to wear scraggly beards and drive like jerks, authorities believe they eventually diversified into more serious criminal activity.
You have probably already heard about Alexian Lien, the New York man who was pulled out of his car and beaten in front of his family after incurring the wrath of a group of motorcyclists on the Henry Hudson Parkway last weekend. If you havent, though, get up to speed by watching the following video:
Based on this video footage at least, it seems that Lien is not without blame in this situation; he did, after all, zoom his Range Rover through a crowd of stopped motorcyclists, allegedly paralyzing at least one of them in the process. But the publics wrath has fallen squarely on the bikers, who had gathered under the aegis of a group called Hollywood Stuntz, which apparently organizes massive road rallies in which motorcyclists congregate en masse, effectively taking over public roadways so that they can do stunts. (Or, I guess, stuntz.) The Stuntz crew has been repeatedly referred to as a motorcycle gang, a term that conjures images of leather-clad skeezeballs causing mayhem on the backs of their American-made bikes. Its a term that has nothing to do with the reality of this situation. Whatever the Stuntz riders were, they werent a motorcycle gang.
The motorcycle gang as we know itformally organized groups of hell-raising hog-riders who live on the edge of the lawfirst appeared in the 1940s, as part of the big post-World War II club-forming craze in America. They existed in opposition to legacy motorcycle clubs, groups of good citizens who cut their hair and followed the rules of the road. According to a 1991 report from the California Department of Justice, the first schism in Motorcycle Nation happened in 1947, when a rowdy group called the Pissed Off Bastards of Bloomington turned the American Motorcycle Association- (AMA) sponsored Hill Climb into a week-long brawl. The next year, after a motorcycle riot in Riverside, Calif., the local police chief pinned the violence on out-of-town outlaws. The name stuck.
The most notorious outlaw motorcycle gang is, of course, the Hells Angelsitself a spinoff of the Pissed Off Bastards of Bloomingtonthe roughnecks perhaps best known for doing a very bad job providing security at the Altamont Free Concert. Other prominent gangs include the Outlaws, the Bandidos, the Pagans, the Mongols, and the Vagos Motorcycle Club. Though they may have all begun as groups of motorcycle enthusiasts who consolidated to protect their rights to wear scraggly beards and drive like jerks, authorities believe they eventually diversified into more serious criminal activity.
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FWIW, I've seen countless kids become fucked-up adults even with excellent parenting...
Blue_Tires
Oct 2013
#9
If Lien had had an automatic assault weapon and sprayed the entire group, would he have been
kelliekat44
Oct 2013
#69
well probuably if he had shot five or six of them the rest would have run away
loli phabay
Oct 2013
#187
better to hope they are not going to beat you and mayby rape your wife then
loli phabay
Oct 2013
#266
and yet when he was stuck later in traffic they dragged him out and beat him
loli phabay
Oct 2013
#269
if he had a gun there is more chance his daughter would have ended up killing herself or someone
JI7
Oct 2013
#271
gun nuts always see things and think about how they would have been the hero with their guns
JI7
Oct 2013
#275
lol, or people who are trained and have experience look at it and use it as a what if
loli phabay
Oct 2013
#276
it is gun nuttery to always view things that happen and think about how they would have been the her
JI7
Oct 2013
#279
depends on whether those thirty people are determined to harm you and your family
loli phabay
Oct 2013
#333
sorry getting beaten and cut is not coming out ahead, the guys that did it only
loli phabay
Oct 2013
#348
well both my principal and my backup are .40 and i use the old hydroshock. lol
loli phabay
Oct 2013
#378
I disagree. In Texas, the bikers would have been armed too and we would have had a shootout
stevenleser
Oct 2013
#340
There are 82 million hits on scores of pages. First few pages are of those two incidents
stevenleser
Oct 2013
#364
Sorry, but those weren't "bikers", they were punks on crotch-rockets, Enduros & 4-wheelers....
Ghost in the Machine
Oct 2013
#52
would be funny to see a confrontation between the NJ punks and a large group of real bikers
Supersedeas
Oct 2013
#304
"So he is flat out lying about that." Wanna see a slashed tire? I'll SHOW you a slashed tire.
cherokeeprogressive
Oct 2013
#303
I'm saying that he drove a long way AFTER his front right tire was slashed.
cherokeeprogressive
Oct 2013
#315
You can see the tire at 3:04 in the video just after it had been ripped off the vehicle
cpwm17
Oct 2013
#332
Good catch about the tire that had come off the wheel at 3:04 in the GoPro2900 video.
NYC_SKP
Oct 2013
#336
It's unclear if the collision even caused him to dump his bike. Possibly, it didn't.
NYC_SKP
Oct 2013
#331
I'm with you. By the way, I found a link with a clip showing the actual running over of bike by SUV
NYC_SKP
Oct 2013
#129
One person walks up and yanks open the door. Yup, and that's enough to be killed or seriously hurt.
NYC_SKP
Oct 2013
#239
They took over the freeway. They are law-breakers. And they brake checked him.
NYC_SKP
Oct 2013
#249
Beating him after he tried killing their friend proves they were going to beat him up anyway?!?!?!?
ieoeja
Oct 2013
#256
he was trying to get away from them , they surrounded him , there was no reason for the fuckwad to
JI7
Oct 2013
#261
Yup. Pretty much. Normal healthy people do not beat up people who are trying to get away from them
NYC_SKP
Oct 2013
#262
One person jerking your door open justifies running over a man administering first aid ...
ieoeja
Oct 2013
#255
they were behaving like thugs the entire time , they deserved to get run over or worse , fuck them
JI7
Oct 2013
#257
the Brake Check guy's act was to intimidate him and gang up on the driver, he actually did stop
JI7
Oct 2013
#297
Even if the SUV driver was wrong in how he protected his family (I do not believe he was wrong),
Jenoch
Oct 2013
#318
It started with an accident. The motorcyclist stopped suddenly in front of him.
pnwmom
Oct 2013
#165
I would run them down in heartbeat if I felt my loved ones were in danger.
Gravitycollapse
Oct 2013
#174
The only tragedy is that the other 29 are physically able to ride motorcycles still. nt
geek tragedy
Oct 2013
#11
It's not beating twenty hoodlums with guns...This ain't Hollywood or GTA 5...
Blue_Tires
Oct 2013
#19
Sure...but it's also very, very likely most would flee once shots were fired.
Lizzie Poppet
Oct 2013
#34
Yes, I have encountered Hells Angels and they would literally murder them.
Gravitycollapse
Oct 2013
#178
hope their bikes get rusty while they enjoy the hospitality of a state retention facility
dembotoz
Oct 2013
#22
I watched the video- On instinct, when I started getting intimidated and surrounded...
richmwill
Oct 2013
#27
The one in the coma paralyzed, his family is all over the local news crying saying the driver should
NotThisTime
Oct 2013
#40
yup, local news is totally reporting this in the favor of the damn bikers WTF
NotThisTime
Oct 2013
#44
I see the biker pull in front of him and slow way down while looking behind him.
Marrah_G
Oct 2013
#62
I've seen this before. The bikers likely wanted to stop traffic to stunt on the road.
Gravitycollapse
Oct 2013
#175
Their sorry asses are lucky more weren't run over.....i have no pity for the injured one.
Gin
Oct 2013
#59
I'll assume the linked video is showing riders going in excess of 150mph, or more.
kentauros
Oct 2013
#155
I cannot agree with you on this. Put a speed limiter on them. But you cannot ban them.
Gravitycollapse
Oct 2013
#180
I'd panic too if thirty people surrounded my car on the West Side Highway nt
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
Oct 2013
#72
Exactly they were trying to pull him out of that car before he drove off and over that guy....
NotThisTime
Oct 2013
#77
Most of the videos only show the initial breaking of the window with a helmet.
NYC_SKP
Oct 2013
#149
You refer to a description in a reply above that I think is an encapsulation of the whole thing.
NYC_SKP
Oct 2013
#159
No, you would not have. You would do anythiong in your power to protect your family from harm.
Ikonoklast
Oct 2013
#191
So you would give yourself to the mob, taking a beating and maybe surviving.
oneshooter
Oct 2013
#209
The "beating" could well have been fatal for all occupants of the truck. I believe that most people
ladjf
Oct 2013
#210
Such a beating could be fatal or could leave you with brain damage. And remember,
tblue37
Oct 2013
#277
The bikes were driving wrecklessly, you don't stop dead in front of a vehicle on the Parkway.
NYC_SKP
Oct 2013
#90
Obviously, the driver was the victim and should not be expected to act normally.
NYC_SKP
Oct 2013
#104
I've spoken to Chicago cops who say Barney Miller was the most life-like cop show ever. n/t
ieoeja
Oct 2013
#330
I guess this dude will be a little bit less of a badass riding his wheelchair around
Nye Bevan
Oct 2013
#86
If this is the same J. Mieses who was injured, then it was really just a matter of time.
NYC_SKP
Oct 2013
#88
Agreed. I watched about half an hour of the videos leading up to the incident
magical thyme
Oct 2013
#220
I just reread my post from last night. I never said I saw that in the video
magical thyme
Oct 2013
#259
One of my favorite sayings... "Play stupid games, win stupid prizes."
cherokeeprogressive
Oct 2013
#106
I'm not BLAMING the driver. Maybe you missed my saying possibly he'd never been in that situation.
cherokeeprogressive
Oct 2013
#130
I kind of hate to see the term "bikers" used to describe these guys. I was expecting
brewens
Oct 2013
#107
All that is true, they are a lawless lot, but multicultural. Link to SUV running over bike video:
NYC_SKP
Oct 2013
#137
i believe mezees mother is hispanic , and the crowd looked mixed up different races to me also
JI7
Oct 2013
#185
As a daily rider, I can tell you all with confidence that those riders are assholes...
Gravitycollapse
Oct 2013
#173
Zero sympathy for the guy who was only tending to a downed rider when he too got mowed
ecstatic
Oct 2013
#176
Or, "If you act like an ass, don't be surprised when you get kicked." nt
Common Sense Party
Oct 2013
#241
If you hang out with your stupid criminal buddies, doing stupid criminal shit
cemaphonic
Oct 2013
#186
I would have ran over as many of them as I could! Too bad they didn't try that with an 18 wheeler!
B Calm
Oct 2013
#195
To hear J. Meezee's mom tell it, they're just kids doing the normal end of summer thing.
NYC_SKP
Oct 2013
#205
I think the Highway Patrol here in Missouri would be all over something
leftyladyfrommo
Oct 2013
#208
Squids like this deserve jail time and seizure of their licenses and bikes. n/t
lumberjack_jeff
Oct 2013
#223
The guy in the hospital has never held a license in the first place - any license
NotThisTime
Oct 2013
#242
Yeah, people tend to get emotional when criminals terrorize families with toddlers.
cemaphonic
Oct 2013
#264
Nothing wrong with encouraging violence and harm to those who deserve it...
Decaffeinated
Oct 2013
#305
Yes, “Motorcycle Gangs” Still Exist. No, They Didn’t Attack a Man in New York.
steve2470
Oct 2013
#268
It seems to me that Mr. Cruz bears a great deal of blame for what happened that day.
NYC_SKP
Oct 2013
#281
maybe Bloomberg and the NYPD will do something now, would like to hear from other NYC'ers
steve2470
Oct 2013
#282