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SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
15. I know that Finland doesn't start school
Thu Sep 12, 2013, 01:27 AM
Sep 2013

until age 7. And the Finns seem to be doing just okay.

While there are clear-cut differences in readiness, I've gotten more and more bothered over the years by the way Kindergarten has become the new first grade. Why?

Kindergarten, at least when I attended 60 years ago, was the place where you learned how to get along with others, to name your colors, to count to ten, and maybe a few other things. Now, kids are expected to be reading by the end of kindergarten. Why?

Again, kids are vastly different, even coming from the same families. My sister's oldest was one of those who somehow magically learned to read on her own.(Her other two learned to read in first grade.) My oldest still couldn't read at the start of second grade. (My younger one learned to read in pre-school in a Montessori program.) What I think are the reasons aren't important, but fortunately the school put him in what they called Special Reading, meaning with a tutor, and after a while he caught on and could read quite well, thank you very much. Sister's oldest never went beyond high school. My son is currently working on a physics degree. So how soon a kid learns to read isn't the only thing that determines academic success.

I also think that a huge problem is that we have one and only one age cut-off. You turn five by a particular date and you start kindergarten. Okay, so parents can and do sometimes hold their kids back, which in a way makes things worse. If everyone adheres to the cutoff date it means that the oldest kid in the class will be 364 days older than the youngest, which is a HUGE difference at that age. Holding back actually makes things worse. My oldest was born on December 22. He wound up in school with kids more than a full year older than he was. Invariably the kids held back were always large for their age. Weird.

Anyway, my solution would be to have two starting dates for school, one in the fall and one in January. Allow some slack, of course, but a kid who perhaps was old enough to have started in the fall, but the parents felt wasn't quite ready, would then start in January. Then you'd reduce the age differential between oldest and youngest by quite a bit. Of course, unless you figure out a way to get all kids on the same path by perhaps 4th grade -- which is probably doable -- you'll then have to deal with two graduation dates, one in December the other in May/June. Heck, colleges do it.

we can put them in corporate sweat shops while waiting a few years for school nt msongs Sep 2013 #1
or eat them. . . Faryn Balyncd Sep 2013 #23
I think there's a lot of truth here. NYC_SKP Sep 2013 #2
Kindergarten really is the new first grade. winter is coming Sep 2013 #4
It's indoctrination rather than play. Really there should be more play through K12. NYC_SKP Sep 2013 #5
You know what's funny/sad about that? Learning through play isn't a new idea. winter is coming Sep 2013 #11
I homeschooled my daughter. All of her education was through play. Luminous Animal Sep 2013 #22
I couldn't believe, but my grandaughter has homework in kindergarten! B Calm Sep 2013 #26
It's sickening, isn't it? Mariana Sep 2013 #29
I have long wondered this: we require that kindergarteners meet Squinch Sep 2013 #7
My son just started kindergarten FedUpWithIt All Sep 2013 #17
I have spent years trying to undo the damage done by my son's school. I have tried to teach him liberal_at_heart Sep 2013 #18
I'm glad your boy has you to encourage him. FedUpWithIt All Sep 2013 #20
I am so sorry. A 5 year old shouldn't have to go through that. I would say Squinch Sep 2013 #35
YAY! I love to see this. But this is an idea that actually has some Squinch Sep 2013 #3
Play time is absolutely fundamental. gulliver Sep 2013 #6
Is school really all that hard when you're under 10? I remember liking it. reformist2 Sep 2013 #8
"When I was that age..." is just another way of denying the scientific results TeamPooka Sep 2013 #38
Ridiculous proud2BlibKansan Sep 2013 #9
I agree. El Supremo Sep 2013 #52
There is a lot of evidence that early kindergarten is good for most kids daleo Sep 2013 #10
I agree, and my daughter is living proof Glitterati Sep 2013 #12
I'd say that's good advice given our current education environment. liberal_at_heart Sep 2013 #13
I don't think one size fits all. Blue_In_AK Sep 2013 #14
That's exactly it. laundry_queen Sep 2013 #61
I know that Finland doesn't start school SheilaT Sep 2013 #15
My kids didn't have a problem. They both missed the cut off date and never had any social problems. liberal_at_heart Sep 2013 #16
You make the point about how kids are very different. SheilaT Sep 2013 #19
My oldest had a birthdate that missed the cut-off by 5 days. mnhtnbb Sep 2013 #25
I don't know about that... k2qb3 Sep 2013 #21
And pay for daycare? JVS Sep 2013 #24
My 2 cents, though no one asked SamKnause Sep 2013 #27
A very humanistic view of how things should be etherealtruth Sep 2013 #56
Agree. And I'm very glad to hear this since I expect to have vanlassie Sep 2013 #59
I agree with everything you said. Science says that young adults brains don't finish fully forming liberal_at_heart Sep 2013 #62
I beg to disagree. Democracyinkind Sep 2013 #28
I agree. Mariana Sep 2013 #30
I would reverse those score requirements nt TeamPooka Sep 2013 #39
15 years? kiva Sep 2013 #34
Yes. And NO. LWolf Sep 2013 #31
"Dump the corporate model." exactly. liberal_at_heart Sep 2013 #45
Great post. woo me with science Sep 2013 #58
You're welcome. LWolf Sep 2013 #60
I agree....and socialize younger. Tikki Sep 2013 #32
you got it. They need the socialization that preschool and kindergarten bring, but as far as liberal_at_heart Sep 2013 #44
Introducing children to all the electronic media/TV avebury Sep 2013 #33
You're not buying the right games :) TBF Sep 2013 #37
I only have 4-legged babies. avebury Sep 2013 #43
I dunno ... TBF Sep 2013 #47
We were actually talking about this at work. avebury Sep 2013 #50
I was speaking in general terms - TBF Sep 2013 #51
It is important for parents to take the time to parent and avebury Sep 2013 #54
It's just a different time. That's all. I think all people have a difficult time accepting that liberal_at_heart Sep 2013 #57
It is kind of interesting listening to my friend talk avebury Sep 2013 #63
I think video games can teach a lot. They teach kids how to strategize, plan, and they can also liberal_at_heart Sep 2013 #48
It's really not my thing - TBF Sep 2013 #49
I'd like to see year-round school TBF Sep 2013 #36
Totally agree. ananda Sep 2013 #40
I don't agree. I attended kindergarten at age 5 in Pennsylvania. RebelOne Sep 2013 #41
That's great when one parent can stay at home. haele Sep 2013 #42
I totally agree with you regarding if a family is lucky avebury Sep 2013 #46
That is actually why I decided to stay home - TBF Sep 2013 #53
I hear you. I have a good friend who, avebury Sep 2013 #55
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