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Catherina

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Sat Sep 7, 2013, 01:24 PM Sep 2013

U.S. Military and Intelligence Officials to Obama: “Assad NOT Responsible for Chemical Attack” [View all]

Exclusive: Despite the Obama administration’s supposedly “high confidence” regarding Syrian government guilt over the Aug. 21 chemical attack near Damascus, a dozen former U.S. military and intelligence officials are telling President Obama that they are picking up information that undercuts the Official Story.

MEMORANDUM FOR: The President

FROM: Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity (VIPS)

SUBJECT: Is Syria a Trap?

Precedence: IMMEDIATE

We regret to inform you that some of our former co-workers are telling us, categorically, that contrary to the claims of your administration, the most reliable intelligence shows that Bashar al-Assad was NOT responsible for the chemical incident that killed and injured Syrian civilians on August 21, and that British intelligence officials also know this. In writing this brief report, we choose to assume that you have not been fully informed because your advisers decided to afford you the opportunity for what is commonly known as “plausible denial.”

We have been down this road before – with President George W. Bush, to whom we addressed our first VIPS memorandum immediately after Colin Powell’s Feb. 5, 2003 U.N. speech, in which he peddled fraudulent “intelligence” to support attacking Iraq. Then, also, we chose to give President Bush the benefit of the doubt, thinking he was being misled – or, at the least, very poorly advised.

The fraudulent nature of Powell’s speech was a no-brainer. And so, that very afternoon we strongly urged your predecessor to “widen the discussion beyond … the circle of those advisers clearly bent on a war for which we see no compelling reason and from which we believe the unintended consequences are likely to be catastrophic.” We offer you the same advice today.

Our sources confirm that a chemical incident of some sort did cause fatalities and injuries on August 21 in a suburb of Damascus. They insist, however, that the incident was not the result of an attack by the Syrian Army using military-grade chemical weapons from its arsenal. That is the most salient fact, according to CIA officers working on the Syria issue. They tell us that CIA Director John Brennan is perpetrating a pre-Iraq-War-type fraud on members of Congress, the media, the public – and perhaps even you.

We have observed John Brennan closely over recent years and, sadly, we find what our former colleagues are now telling us easy to believe. Sadder still, this goes in spades for those of us who have worked with him personally; we give him zero credence. And that goes, as well, for his titular boss, Director of National Intelligence James Clapper, who has admitted he gave “clearly erroneous” sworn testimony to Congress denying NSA eavesdropping on Americans.

Intelligence Summary or Political Ploy?

That Secretary of State John Kerry would invoke Clapper’s name this week in Congressional testimony, in an apparent attempt to enhance the credibility of the four-page “Government Assessment” strikes us as odd. The more so, since it was, for some unexplained reason, not Clapper but the White House that released the “assessment.”

This is not a fine point. We know how these things are done. Although the “Government Assessment” is being sold to the media as an “intelligence summary,” it is a political, not an intelligence document. The drafters, massagers, and fixers avoided presenting essential detail. Moreover, they conceded upfront that, though they pinned “high confidence” on the assessment, it still fell “short of confirmation.”

Déjà Fraud: This brings a flashback to the famous Downing Street Minutes of July 23, 2002, on Iraq, The minutes record the Richard Dearlove, then head of British intelligence, reporting to Prime Minister Tony Blair and other senior officials that President Bush had decided to remove Saddam Hussein through military action that would be “justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD.” Dearlove had gotten the word from then-CIA Director George Tenet whom he visited at CIA headquarters on July 20.

The discussion that followed centered on the ephemeral nature of the evidence, prompting Dearlove to explain: “But the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy.” We are concerned that this is precisely what has happened with the “intelligence” on Syria.

The Intelligence

There is a growing body of evidence from numerous sources in the Middle East — mostly affiliated with the Syrian opposition and its supporters — providing a strong circumstantial case that the August 21 chemical incident was a pre-planned provocation by the Syrian opposition and its Saudi and Turkish supporters. The aim is reported to have been to create the kind of incident that would bring the United States into the war.

According to some reports, canisters containing chemical agent were brought into a suburb of Damascus, where they were then opened. Some people in the immediate vicinity died; others were injured.

We are unaware of any reliable evidence that a Syrian military rocket capable of carrying a chemical agent was fired into the area. In fact, we are aware of no reliable physical evidence to support the claim that this was a result of a strike by a Syrian military unit with expertise in chemical weapons.

In addition, we have learned that on August 13-14, 2013, Western-sponsored opposition forces in Turkey started advance preparations for a major, irregular military surge. Initial meetings between senior opposition military commanders and Qatari, Turkish and U.S. intelligence officials took place at the converted Turkish military garrison in Antakya, Hatay Province, now used as the command center and headquarters of the Free Syrian Army (FSA) and their foreign sponsors.

Senior opposition commanders who came from Istanbul pre-briefed the regional commanders on an imminent escalation in the fighting due to “a war-changing development,” which, in turn, would lead to a U.S.-led bombing of Syria.

At operations coordinating meetings at Antakya, attended by senior Turkish, Qatari and U.S. intelligence officials as well as senior commanders of the Syrian opposition, the Syrians were told that the bombing would start in a few days. Opposition leaders were ordered to prepare their forces quickly to exploit the U.S. bombing, march into Damascus, and remove the Bashar al-Assad government

The Qatari and Turkish intelligence officials assured the Syrian regional commanders that they would be provided with plenty of weapons for the coming offensive. And they were. A weapons distribution operation unprecedented in scope began in all opposition camps on August 21-23. The weapons were distributed from storehouses controlled by Qatari and Turkish intelligence under the tight supervision of U.S. intelligence officers.

Cui bono?


That the various groups trying to overthrow Syrian President Bashar al-Assad have ample incentive to get the U.S. more deeply involved in support of that effort is clear. Until now, it has not been quite as clear that the Netanyahu government in Israel has equally powerful incentive to get Washington more deeply engaged in yet another war in the area. But with outspoken urging coming from Israel and those Americans who lobby for Israeli interests, this priority Israeli objective is becoming crystal clear.

Reporter Judi Rudoren, writing from Jerusalem in an important article in Friday’s New York Times addresses Israeli motivation in an uncommonly candid way. Her article, titled “Israel Backs Limited Strike Against Syria,” notes that the Israelis have argued, quietly, that the best outcome for Syria’s two-and-a-half-year-old civil war, at least for the moment, is no outcome. Rudoren continues:

“For Jerusalem, the status quo, horrific as it may be from a humanitarian perspective, seems preferable to either a victory by Mr. Assad’s government and his Iranian backers or a strengthening of rebel groups, increasingly dominated by Sunni jihadis.

“‘This is a playoff situation in which you need both teams to lose, but at least you don’t want one to win — we’ll settle for a tie,’ said Alon Pinkas, a former Israeli consul general in New York. ‘Let them both bleed, hemorrhage to death: that’s the strategic thinking here. As long as this lingers, there’s no real threat from Syria.’”

We think this is the way Israel’s current leaders look at the situation in Syria, and that deeper U.S. involvement – albeit, initially, by “limited” military strikes – is likely to ensure that there is no early resolution of the conflict in Syria. The longer Sunni and Shia are at each other’s throats in Syria and in the wider region, the safer Israel calculates that it is.

That Syria’s main ally is Iran, with whom it has a mutual defense treaty, also plays a role in Israeli calculations. Iran’s leaders are not likely to be able to have much military impact in Syria, and Israel can highlight that as an embarrassment for Tehran.

Iran’s Role

Iran can readily be blamed by association and charged with all manner of provocation, real and imagined. Some have seen Israel’s hand in the provenance of the most damaging charges against Assad regarding chemical weapons and our experience suggests to us that such is supremely possible.

Possible also is a false-flag attack by an interested party resulting in the sinking or damaging, say, of one of the five U.S. destroyers now on patrol just west of Syria. Our mainstream media could be counted on to milk that for all it’s worth, and you would find yourself under still more pressure to widen U.S. military involvement in Syria – and perhaps beyond, against Iran.

Iran has joined those who blame the Syrian rebels for the August 21 chemical incident, and has been quick to warn the U.S. not to get more deeply involved. According to the Iranian English-channel Press TV, Iranian Foreign Minister Mohammad Javid Zarif has claimed: “The Syria crisis is a trap set by Zionist pressure groups for (the United States).”

Actually, he may be not far off the mark. But we think your advisers may be chary of entertaining this notion. Thus, we see as our continuing responsibility to try to get word to you so as to ensure that you and other decision makers are given the full picture.

Inevitable Retaliation


We hope your advisers have warned you that retaliation for attacks on Syrian are not a matter of IF, but rather WHERE and WHEN. Retaliation is inevitable. For example, terrorist strikes on U.S. embassies and other installations are likely to make what happened to the U.S. “Mission” in Benghazi on Sept. 11, 2012, look like a minor dust-up by comparison. One of us addressed this key consideration directly a week ago in an article titled “Possible Consequences of a U.S. Military Attack on Syria – Remembering the U.S. Marine Barracks Destruction in Beirut, 1983.”

For the Steering Group, Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity

Thomas Drake, Senior Executive, NSA (former)

Philip Giraldi, CIA, Operations Officer (ret.)

Matthew Hoh, former Capt., USMC, Iraq & Foreign Service Officer, Afghanistan

Larry Johnson, CIA & State Department (ret.)

W. Patrick Lang, Senior Executive and Defense Intelligence Officer, DIA (ret.)

David MacMichael, National Intelligence Council (ret.)

Ray McGovern, former US Army infantry/intelligence officer & CIA analyst (ret.)

Elizabeth Murray, Deputy National Intelligence Officer for Middle East (ret.)

Todd Pierce, US Army Judge Advocate General (ret.)

Sam Provance, former Sgt., US Army, Iraq

Coleen Rowley, Division Council & Special Agent, FBI (ret.)

Ann Wright, Col., US Army (ret); Foreign Service Officer (ret.)

http://consortiumnews.com/2013/09/06/obama-warned-on-syrian-intel/
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For the third time: ProSense Sep 2013 #1
Once again you blindly pin what little credibility you have to the administration line whatchamacallit Sep 2013 #9
What usually flees a sinking ship? Hmmm..... R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2013 #14
EU: All info on Syria gas attack points to Assad ProSense Sep 2013 #15
I read your utterly unconvincing advertisement whatchamacallit Sep 2013 #18
Why do you believe the rebels gassing themselves DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2013 #27
I honestly don't know who is responsible whatchamacallit Sep 2013 #31
+1. Agreed. They have already come to terms with killing each other. So tricking GoneFishin Sep 2013 #140
It is possible, that since we are funding rebels, that we iemitsu Sep 2013 #154
The CIA Takes Orders from the Same Billionaires which Staffs the State Dept HumansAndResources Sep 2013 #191
You clarified my meaning well. iemitsu Sep 2013 #193
Nicely put. Ghost Dog Sep 2013 #194
are Assad's opponents better than Assad? samsingh Sep 2013 #205
"The rebels" are not a homogeneous group. Jackpine Radical Sep 2013 #39
Yup. progressoid Sep 2013 #138
It is called "a strategic war tactic" golfguru Sep 2013 #108
"The rebels gassing themselves" JackRiddler Sep 2013 #225
Yellowcake! Yellowcake! R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2013 #20
"but that any potential military attack against it should wait for a U.N. inspectors’ report." ProSense Sep 2013 #28
What do you believe the point is? R. Daneel Olivaw Sep 2013 #178
You have a long history of supporting Obama mindwalker_i Sep 2013 #70
that's really irrational. Prosense has history of one more thing uhnope Sep 2013 #122
Its the 'sticking to verifiable facts' Summer Hathaway Sep 2013 #126
as far as sticking to the verifiable facts questionseverything Sep 2013 #137
+ 1 SunSeeker Sep 2013 #177
True, but only in that PS sticks to a specific subset of verifiable facts mindwalker_i Sep 2013 #143
+10000000 -- plenty of time for blind partisanship during campaign season. nashville_brook Sep 2013 #213
her posts are 'verifiable' all right bobduca Sep 2013 #201
+1 nashville_brook Sep 2013 #212
Another thing she does is to call other people's arguments mindwalker_i Sep 2013 #222
Thanks,,, Cryptoad Sep 2013 #159
Agree with you. This is nonsense. n/t wisteria Sep 2013 #92
Hm, Drake and Rowley, or Clapper and Brennan? JackRiddler Sep 2013 #227
And for the Fourth John2 Sep 2013 #120
Politicians answer to the CIA and the NSA and the 16 other "intelligence Organizaions" that iemitsu Sep 2013 #155
+1000 Great post! Raksha Sep 2013 #169
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ bobduca Sep 2013 #200
Sorry, I don't believe the White House on Syria Ocelot Sep 2013 #158
Its got electrolytes. eom MyNameGoesHere Sep 2013 #208
Recommend jsr Sep 2013 #2
Link? Want to propagate this far and wide. K&R - nt HardTimes99 Sep 2013 #3
Just added it for you. Robert Parry at Consortium News Catherina Sep 2013 #6
Here: Coyotl Sep 2013 #7
Obama's House of Cards is collapsing rapidly. Fool us once ... Coyotl Sep 2013 #4
According to these guys, it's not Obama Nevernose Sep 2013 #8
Or so they "choose to assume." truebluegreen Sep 2013 #77
Historically, V.I.P.S. has demonstrated great integrity and collectively deserves the utmost respect proverbialwisdom Sep 2013 #114
Daniel Ellsberg, Lawrence Wilkerson, Craig Murray, Sibel Edmonds Schema Thing Sep 2013 #152
we all look forward to your detailed rebuttal.. frylock Sep 2013 #176
lol ctsnowman Sep 2013 #206
9/10- Gareth Porter: Some in US Intel. Community Reject Obama Admin Case for Syria Attack (part 1) proverbialwisdom Sep 2013 #236
You misunderstood? truebluegreen Sep 2013 #168
It's not unplausible. But I have come to suspect that he leans that way already after GoneFishin Sep 2013 #142
He'd have to be dumber than the Majority of Americans;) grahamhgreen Sep 2013 #197
It's lucky for PBO that he has decent people trying to stop him from this ill advised war MNBrewer Sep 2013 #5
That he should but he seems more comfortable with sycophants right now. Catherina Sep 2013 #10
Decent people? Larry Johnson did the "whitey tape" bullshit about Michelle Obama. msanthrope Sep 2013 #113
"Former" being the key word...nt SidDithers Sep 2013 #11
If Omama were the man I voted for randr Sep 2013 #12
Touche, randr Carolina Sep 2013 #40
Former and retired officials have the same MineralMan Sep 2013 #13
Larry Johnson is a racist nutcase. n/t ProSense Sep 2013 #16
That's as may be. MineralMan Sep 2013 #19
Hilarious TomClash Sep 2013 #95
That seems a little disingenuous MNBrewer Sep 2013 #21
I'm Discounting Both. MineralMan Sep 2013 #23
How can both of these statements be true? MNBrewer Sep 2013 #26
And you don't know my expertise or experience. MineralMan Sep 2013 #29
you said you didn't know their expertise MNBrewer Sep 2013 #33
Still being disingenuous?? MNBrewer Sep 2013 #74
:shrug: MineralMan Sep 2013 #82
I'm starting to see what others have told me is true MNBrewer Sep 2013 #84
OK. Again, :shrug: MineralMan Sep 2013 #102
MM...the signers of this letter could have current inside sources. KoKo Sep 2013 #41
Sure they could. Or not. Certainly, they did not quote any MineralMan Sep 2013 #43
Rabble...didn't name sources...Ron Paul.. Okay... KoKo Sep 2013 #47
Cool. Glad you got it. MineralMan Sep 2013 #48
"ron paul" is the DU equivalent of the "Expelliarmus" spell in Harry Potter MNBrewer Sep 2013 #59
lol's....Expelliarmus spell... good analogy! KoKo Sep 2013 #63
Expletive Ron Paul! MineralMan Sep 2013 #64
I would work with Ron Paul to keep us out of war. I would work with RAND Paul to do the same thing MNBrewer Sep 2013 #69
I don't care. Do as you please. MineralMan Sep 2013 #71
Nevermind.. KoKo Sep 2013 #144
They started their letter... Oilwellian Sep 2013 #55
Yes. They wrote that. MineralMan Sep 2013 #57
"Without corroboration, it's meaningless"? Where's the corroboration that you were in intelligence? AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2013 #96
Yes, I suppose they could claim that. MineralMan Sep 2013 #100
Without corroboration, it's meaningless. bvar22 Sep 2013 #116
Absolutely! marew Sep 2013 #148
The guy in the fucking mail-room is a former co-worker.... Puh-Lease nt pkdu Sep 2013 #195
If I had to choose between WH, MIC, Congress or a bunch of retirees Link Speed Sep 2013 #61
Yes, well, OK. MineralMan Sep 2013 #62
I surmise their recent experience is likely better than 30 years more recent than yours. rug Sep 2013 #141
Larry Johnson's signature discredits the whole thing. geek tragedy Sep 2013 #109
Really? Does Larry Johnson's signature cancel out Colleen Rowley's? Raksha Sep 2013 #119
Larry Johnson = Orly Taitz. geek tragedy Sep 2013 #121
and of course they severe all ties with former coworkers and have zero inside connections.. frylock Sep 2013 #53
You know, it's illegal for those former coworkers MineralMan Sep 2013 #56
oh my goodness gracious! it's illegals!!11 frylock Sep 2013 #58
You seem enamored of the words MineralMan Sep 2013 #65
have a wonderful weekend frylock Sep 2013 #67
Props and Kudo's to you MineralMan, trust me when I say I understand. Rebellious Republican Sep 2013 #73
Thanks. MineralMan Sep 2013 #88
You were a peon. Peons as we all well know have different rules and access than the bosses. TheKentuckian Sep 2013 #99
OK. Whatever you believe is fine with me. MineralMan Sep 2013 #101
If you didn't care you wouldn't have made the statement and continued to argue it. TheKentuckian Sep 2013 #125
You do not know me. MineralMan Sep 2013 #156
Nonsense. I'm willing to beleive that your experience in the intelligence business has no relevance AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2013 #85
OK. MineralMan Sep 2013 #86
Exactly. Therefore, they know nothing for certain and very much less than wisteria Sep 2013 #93
That is almost certainly true. MineralMan Sep 2013 #94
How are you in a position to judge what they know vs. what Obama knows? nm rhett o rick Sep 2013 #188
K & R !!! WillyT Sep 2013 #17
Hang the facts, hang reason, hang legality: the RW PNAC agenda must move ahead at all cost indepat Sep 2013 #22
Not a single fact on Damascus Syrian chemical attack offered. Not one. KittyWampus Sep 2013 #25
This message was self-deleted by its author MissDeeds Sep 2013 #51
This entire article boils down to 3 meager paragraphs containing not one fact, no evidence. KittyWampus Sep 2013 #24
Well, see, the people who agree with one's position are experts. MineralMan Sep 2013 #30
Barbara Lee, who was the only member of Congress to Vote against the Afghanistan War Authorization DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2013 #35
Intellectually honest? former9thward Sep 2013 #164
Or like the Iranians "Gassed Themselves" - or So We Were Told When The USA Was Backing Saddam HumansAndResources Sep 2013 #192
"I have identical credentials to any of those people." WorseBeforeBetter Sep 2013 #136
Notice Caretha Sep 2013 #170
Oh, I noticed. WorseBeforeBetter Sep 2013 #174
General Akbar? denbot Sep 2013 #32
And you know this HOW? MNBrewer Sep 2013 #34
Is Consurtium News a reputable source? iandhr Sep 2013 #36
And if this is legit, why didn't the signers send their letter to major national media sources? pnwmom Sep 2013 #38
Thats why I am skeptical iandhr Sep 2013 #49
i know, right? why isn't this in the Judy Miller Times? frylock Sep 2013 #128
Or the Boston Globe, the Washington Post, The Chicago Tribune, the Seattle Times or any number pnwmom Sep 2013 #131
and none of that matters to me. what matters is the accuracy of this group in past.. frylock Sep 2013 #132
Puh-leeze...the WP and the other "papers of record" don't want to vet the letter Raksha Sep 2013 #145
Apparently the OP thinks so. MineralMan Sep 2013 #45
Consortium is among the most reliable publications, but... JackRiddler Sep 2013 #226
But I thought who did it didn't matter. They want their damn war and, by god, they'll it valerief Sep 2013 #37
Thanks Catherina - Glad to see you posted this 99th_Monkey Sep 2013 #42
I hope he does too - not only the recognition but the reward. n/t Raksha Sep 2013 #123
Oh, I think that Assad's forces did it. The evidence for it appears much stronger than this cali Sep 2013 #44
Does not make logical sense golfguru Sep 2013 #112
Well, there's always the possibility that it was not the intention Scootaloo Sep 2013 #127
k&r...your writing style is... golfguru Sep 2013 #153
+ Infinity! - nt HardTimes99 Sep 2013 #173
K&R Junkdrawer Sep 2013 #46
BUT, does is matter?!?! blkmusclmachine Sep 2013 #50
This is beginning MissDeeds Sep 2013 #52
I find it hard to believe the rebels used chemical weapons Lifelong Dem Sep 2013 #54
What the hell do you mean, " . . . draw the US into a battle against them?" another_liberal Sep 2013 #72
No kidding Lifelong Dem Sep 2013 #76
LOL!! Larry Johnson, he of No Quarter and the "Whitey Tape." DevonRex Sep 2013 #60
The very same. MineralMan Sep 2013 #66
Whatever Senator Kerry had access to before the Iraq War started was useless David Krout Sep 2013 #75
Everyone who watched 60 Minutes KNEW the aluminum tubes DevonRex Sep 2013 #89
Kerry also seemed to forget what bringing down the strongman Saddam Hussein amandabeech Sep 2013 #147
Did the 12 people who sign this statement have to do with the 'Whitey' tape? David Krout Sep 2013 #80
That pretty well shits the damn bed! another_liberal Sep 2013 #68
Instead they're persisting. Grayson and Amash not impressed with their bogus intel Catherina Sep 2013 #78
You missed the first element in a crime-means DemocratSinceBirth Sep 2013 #87
OK, I'll bite. another_liberal Sep 2013 #146
You forget the third leg of the triad: "Means." malthaussen Sep 2013 #134
Islamist factions among the rebels have already said they have chemical weapons. another_liberal Sep 2013 #149
Assad could have a motive creeksneakers2 Sep 2013 #209
Assad is currently winning the Civil War. another_liberal Sep 2013 #215
Your title is a lie - I expect better from you muriel_volestrangler Sep 2013 #79
Sadly, the balance of opinion appears to be with the OP MineralMan Sep 2013 #97
so which actual officials have access? questionseverything Sep 2013 #135
Oh what a tangled web we weave. Rex Sep 2013 #81
Would all respondents to this OP who believe 9/11 was an inside job please step forward? Flatulo Sep 2013 #83
VIPS? All retired with no current intelligence on the matter. wisteria Sep 2013 #90
yep, that's what everyone said about these guys in the lead up to iraq.. frylock Sep 2013 #98
I cannot find nowhere that the Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity Sand Wind Sep 2013 #91
"Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity" Rebellious Republican Sep 2013 #104
The link say that they are the one who make that statement...but I cannot found a single Sand Wind Sep 2013 #107
Look harder. n/t Catherina Sep 2013 #163
It's a fraud. Confirmed. Sand Wind Sep 2013 #179
Your use of a double negative is suspicious. What nation do you represent? nm rhett o rick Sep 2013 #184
Thats the new kind of racist slurs on DU ? Nt Sand Wind Sep 2013 #185
That sentence doesnt even make sense. Are you having trouble translating? What is rhett o rick Sep 2013 #187
Oh right, I remember you, you are the one who do not succeed about one of my video... Sand Wind Sep 2013 #189
What is your first language. Your sentences dont make any sense. You seem to be rhett o rick Sep 2013 #190
I agree . . . another_liberal Sep 2013 #221
I'm sorry that you have no Internet. JackRiddler Sep 2013 #229
Since you don't have any source to back this frauds, I suppose that you don't have Internet ? Nt Sand Wind Sep 2013 #230
You made the incredible claim, sir. JackRiddler Sep 2013 #231
A fraud is a fraud is a fraud, sir....nt Sand Wind Sep 2013 #232
A fool is a fool is a fool... JackRiddler Sep 2013 #234
A fraud is a fraud is a fraud, sir....nt Sand Wind Sep 2013 #232
Whoo-hoo! Now we know what 9/11 Truthers and Larry "Whitey Tape" Johnson have to say! Bolo Boffin Sep 2013 #103
What is this hierarchy, a southern person for Obama. Rebellious Republican Sep 2013 #111
Larry Johnson previously claimed he had a tape of Michelle Obama saying "whitey" msanthrope Sep 2013 #105
Larry Johnson? This kind of crap makes geek tragedy Sep 2013 #106
Its a forgery : No, any U.S. Military and Intelligence Officials are saying that to Obama. Nt Sand Wind Sep 2013 #110
Get your copies out or go find one riverbendviewgal Sep 2013 #115
"Co-workers" of veterans? George II Sep 2013 #117
I was sure the Syrians did this until I studied VIPS memo IsItJustMe Sep 2013 #118
They were right on then, and they are right on now. Raksha Sep 2013 #129
exactly. this group has some serious street cred. frylock Sep 2013 #130
Iraq isn't analagous, and the OP does not contain any verifiable facts. ProSense Sep 2013 #139
After seeing how intelligence was fabricated so that GWB could IsItJustMe Sep 2013 #219
It doesn't matter to me sulphurdunn Sep 2013 #124
Completely agree! nt marew Sep 2013 #150
Yep Cosmocat Sep 2013 #160
Interesting that VIPS cites a mirror image of a US-Israeli-Jordanian op reported by DEBKA on 08/17 leveymg Sep 2013 #133
Generally, I don't give much credence to DEBKA, amandabeech Sep 2013 #151
Nor do I. But, that one was hard to ignore. Is this the .ru site you referenced? Still up. leveymg Sep 2013 #162
I don't think so. amandabeech Sep 2013 #165
Here's a more likely RU - do you remember any screennames from way back when? leveymg Sep 2013 #199
If this memorandum is real, ... CRH Sep 2013 #157
It's real. Ray McGovern has it up on his blog. Thomas Drake tweeted it out, so did Robert Parry. Catherina Sep 2013 #161
Then Obama is toast, if he continues, ... CRH Sep 2013 #167
"A war the Pentagon doesn’t want" By Robert H. Scales, retired Army major general Catherina Sep 2013 #166
Related. proverbialwisdom Sep 2013 #172
Bookmarked. I really wonder what went through his mind when he read this Catherina Sep 2013 #180
If there is a shadow of doubt .. then we've go no business bombing that country. YOHABLO Sep 2013 #171
Indeed. Stomach-turning. As revolting as the drum bangers n/t Catherina Sep 2013 #182
Ok I got confirmation, this statement did not exist. Nt Sand Wind Sep 2013 #175
oh thank goodness.. frylock Sep 2013 #181
Impossible! But only because I have confirmation the post you replied to Dragonfli Sep 2013 #183
You got what? I suspect you have a mission here. nm rhett o rick Sep 2013 #186
Your continued disruption noted. Coyotl Sep 2013 #204
K&R grahamhgreen Sep 2013 #196
the casus belli was staged soryang Sep 2013 #198
The title of this thread vdogg Sep 2013 #202
Is the title in this thread, ... CRH Sep 2013 #207
Colleen Rowley, Anne Wright, Thomas Drake, Ray McGovern... Octafish Sep 2013 #203
do you have an Octafish file on John Brennan? nashville_brook Sep 2013 #217
Terror Tuesday guy thinks he's the right hand of Death on Earth. Octafish Sep 2013 #223
i forgot that Brennan was Hastings' next story -- did you see this? nashville_brook Sep 2013 #237
If the rebels did it creeksneakers2 Sep 2013 #210
Qaddafi did all those things right before he was toppled. keyword: humanitarian vulcans nashville_brook Sep 2013 #214
Obama to U.S. military and intelligence officials, and to us, SO WHAT? AnotherMcIntosh Sep 2013 #211
what officials? everybody on that list has (ret) or (former) after their name. arely staircase Sep 2013 #216
While I opposed bombing Syria, I can't see how these people's opinion is any different than OregonBlue Sep 2013 #218
If our (USA) motive is to prevent death by poison gas, JEB Sep 2013 #220
FORMER U.S. Military and Intelligence Officials...nt SidDithers Sep 2013 #224
Exactly...nt greytdemocrat Sep 2013 #228
if assad didn't do it, then he should have no problem giving up the chemical weapons he ellenfl Sep 2013 #235
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