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Waiting For Everyman

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Tue Sep 3, 2013, 10:04 AM Sep 2013

Report to NATO: 70% of Syrians support Assad [View all]

This is a big reason why I think we should stay out of Syria. (For those who can't or don't want to go to the link below, the percentage of the public opposed to Assad is estimated at about 10% right now.)

http://www.worldtribune.com/2013/05/31/nato-data-assad-winning-the-war-for-syrians-hearts-and-minds/

So we are outraged by these chemical attacks and mass killings, but apparently the Syrian public is not.

Even among that 10% opposition, some of them said that if the US attacks Assad, they too will actually switch sides, and fight on his side against us, because they will see it as defending their country under outside attack. (Wish I had saved the link to that statement but I didn't; it was in a linked article somewhere here on DU this past weekend.) I realize not all opposition may be feel that way, but I don't doubt that it's a real view among some.

When I saw that, it was a crystallizing moment to me, I thought "forget this, no way". We are far too hated there to get involved directly, and we should stay out of it. Syria is not Libya, and it is not the same as another nation might be some other time. I also didn't know until recently, because very little is being mentioned about it in the news, that the Saudis and Jordan and Dubai are assisting the rebels. If anything, we should be helping them in their efforts, and not acting directly ourselves. This is something that those in the local area should do, and it seems as if they are trying to.

Also, where is the pressure on Russia and China, Syria's friends, to do something to discourage Assad? For those who believe "looking bad" is a big thing, why don't we put a focus on making Russia look bad for doing nothing about this?

I agree that 100,000 dead and this use of chemical weapons warrants intervention, but not under these circumstances. There is no way that we should go into a situation in which we immediately become the enemy the moment we take action to help. This fight has to be won first by the Syrian people being outraged at Assad themselves, and next by sympathetic neighboring states.

There are indirect things we could do, and I think we should. But this is not our battle. Anyway that's one person's take on it.

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Report to NATO: 70% of Syrians support Assad [View all] Waiting For Everyman Sep 2013 OP
the article is 3 months old. Assad isn't currently "winning". It would be great to find something KittyWampus Sep 2013 #1
Yes, I would too KW. nt Waiting For Everyman Sep 2013 #2
This was reported to NATO, not done by NATO maddezmom Sep 2013 #3
Yes, the OP link said the same thing. nt Waiting For Everyman Sep 2013 #6
I don't think that's accurate. David__77 Sep 2013 #4
Why? He had about 60% popular support in Jan 2012 before the Syrians caught a glimpse of the rebels Catherina Sep 2013 #14
The US is not in favor of regime change. The US favors "Assad change." MADem Sep 2013 #5
But Yemen's government is cooperative with us though. Waiting For Everyman Sep 2013 #7
Well, Yemen is no paradise, even today. They continue to struggle, but MADem Sep 2013 #8
My request to you, if you have time in next few days, is to start an OP on this subject- KittyWampus Sep 2013 #9
Actually, the hope was that he'd be persuaded to pack and leave long ago...but the ebb and flow of MADem Sep 2013 #12
His pals in Russia also don't seem to be delivering those fighter jets he hasn't paid for. KittyWampus Sep 2013 #13
With 'friends' like that.... MADem Sep 2013 #24
Their other option is theocratic rule most likely under Sharia law. n/t L0oniX Sep 2013 #10
They're waiting for us with flowers I tell ya! Yemen too can't wait to thank us for the drone love Catherina Sep 2013 #11
We still have a problem with that "ends justifying the means" thing. Waiting For Everyman Sep 2013 #16
Gee, I thought it was 97%. moondust Sep 2013 #15
Why are you posting wing-nut drivel on DU? ellisonz Sep 2013 #17
Oh for pete's sake, get a grip. Waiting For Everyman Sep 2013 #22
Really? Really, really? *pre-emptive facepalm* ellisonz Sep 2013 #25
And you're still saying nothing to show that the fact isn't true. Waiting For Everyman Sep 2013 #27
I rendered your argument baseless and laughably un-sourced. ellisonz Sep 2013 #30
The premise is that a small minority are in oppostion to Assad. Waiting For Everyman Sep 2013 #32
Show me your source to establish it! ellisonz Sep 2013 #34
That's not what proving a negative means. Waiting For Everyman Sep 2013 #37
lol - I'm coining a new term to describe such an argument - "anti-logic." ellisonz Sep 2013 #41
Fine, you keep looking for a stat that will refute the one given Waiting For Everyman Sep 2013 #43
Here's something from the Guardian... David__77 Sep 2013 #33
Columnist, not the Guardian per say... ellisonz Sep 2013 #36
OK, well I meant it was a better source. David__77 Sep 2013 #38
So in short, it is not a good source. n/t ellisonz Sep 2013 #39
It's better than no data. As polling data generally is. David__77 Sep 2013 #42
They will love our humanitarian bombs. woo me with science Sep 2013 #18
It's not that they "support Assad", but that they want him to win. Xithras Sep 2013 #19
When you torture/rape/execute those who oppose you... FBaggins Sep 2013 #20
They MUST love Assad: look at the results of their free and fair election in 2007 brooklynite Sep 2013 #21
Since you edited, I'll edit too. Waiting For Everyman Sep 2013 #23
Did they poll the 2 million refugees, too? blm Sep 2013 #26
Maybe someone should be asking them. Waiting For Everyman Sep 2013 #29
Aside from the fact that no poll or survey done in Syria under the current conditions Daniel537 Sep 2013 #28
What it means (to me) is, Waiting For Everyman Sep 2013 #31
Report: 70% of germans support their leader, therefore he is good The Straight Story Sep 2013 #35
If it had been an internal civil war, maybe so. Waiting For Everyman Sep 2013 #40
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