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dkf

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Thu Aug 29, 2013, 03:13 PM Aug 2013

Latest Snowden Leaks Detail The 'Black Budget' And How Much The Gov't Wastes On Useless Surveillance [View all]

from the i-could-use-me-a-black-budget-too dept

Barton Gellman and Greg Miller over at the Washington Post have the latest scoops from the Ed Snowden leaks, in which it appears they've been able to go through the details of the infamous "black budget," detailing the money that is spent on intelligence operations. Apparently, the total budget is around $52.6 billion this year (which actually is a bit lower than I would have expected, but is apparently twice what the budget was back in 2001). There's also another $23 billion spent on "intelligence programs that more directly support the U.S. military."

Not surprisingly, the Post agreed to leave most of the document unpublished and is careful not to reveal anything really damaging (i.e., sources and methods), but the results are still quite revealing. Of course, Director of National Intelligence James Clapper is still angry, arguing that any info from the budget "could provide insight for foreign intelligence services to discern our top national priorities, capabilities and sources and methods." Blah, blah, blah. Someone doesn't like being held accountable. Others point out that discussing the budget seems quite reasonable. The post quotes Lee Hamilton, the former chair of the 9/11 commission (and former chair of the House Intelligence Committee), who argues that having this info public is important to having an informed public debate on the surveillance state. That's the only way that the intelligence community can be held accountable.

And, actually, what the budget reveals is a rather stunning lack of accountability for the budget -- much of it going to the CIA. While many people had assumed that the CIA had been diminishing in power and authority within the intelligence community (especially in relation to the NSA), it turns out that its budget has been growing and growing, and is much more than the NSA's. Furthermore, the CIA has basically been transformed from an "intelligence" agency into a "paramilitary force."

And for all this funding, with so little accountability, it should come as no surprise to find out that much of this money appears to be wasted, and not particularly effective.

http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130829/10405424350/latest-snowden-leaks-detail-black-budget-how-much-govt-wastes-useless-surveillance.shtml

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I've been saying for weeks that the only defense against the Intelligence community is their budget 1-Old-Man Aug 2013 #1
You don't seem to understand where the funding comes from... nebenaube Aug 2013 #3
Having paid for it for half a century I'm pretty sure I know where the money comes from 1-Old-Man Aug 2013 #5
That too... nebenaube Aug 2013 #9
And its the reason the US wont eradicate the Poppies in Afghanistan DJ13 Aug 2013 #10
Precisely...............nt Enthusiast Aug 2013 #20
and I suspect many in Congress would like to cut it, but won't LiberalEsto Aug 2013 #26
Wasting untold mucho billions of dollars on useless surveillance is good for America since this indepat Aug 2013 #2
If we can't afford to educate our children, to heal our sick or care for our elderly ... Scuba Aug 2013 #4
+1 leftstreet Aug 2013 #15
They are protecting the interests Enthusiast Aug 2013 #21
*** k & r! n/t wildbilln864 Aug 2013 #6
But keep on cutting Headstart libodem Aug 2013 #7
...... so we can listen to the starving kids talk to hungry grandma. DJ13 Aug 2013 #12
Yep libodem Aug 2013 #19
Tip of the Iceberg. bvar22 Aug 2013 #8
Actually, this doesn't further Snowden's leftynyc Aug 2013 #11
78 billion bucks a year? questionseverything Aug 2013 #14
It allows each of us to ask our member of Congress why we are spending so much on intelligence JDPriestly Aug 2013 #16
Spending that much is unethical...............nt Enthusiast Aug 2013 #22
Oh Come On.... the "Old News" dodge was thoroughly debunked.. bvar22 Aug 2013 #31
So, let's cut the intelligence budget. JDPriestly Aug 2013 #13
It's not wasted. Geesh! Octafish Aug 2013 #17
Obviously this does not include the Homeland Security Department... kentuck Aug 2013 #18
None of it. If they publish a budget number BlueStreak Aug 2013 #29
And does this include the NRO and satellite programs? kentuck Aug 2013 #32
I have no idea BlueStreak Aug 2013 #37
No way it is nearly that low BlueStreak Aug 2013 #23
So now we've got to worry about the militarization of the CIA starroute Aug 2013 #24
drip,,, drip drip,,,,,,,,,,,! nt Cryptoad Aug 2013 #25
K&R n/t Joe Shlabotnik Aug 2013 #27
K & R !!! WillyT Aug 2013 #28
There's a near perfect inverse relationship between Black Budget spending and national security. leveymg Aug 2013 #30
HUGE K & R! avaistheone1 Aug 2013 #33
A quote from the same Wash Post article: DontTreadOnMe Aug 2013 #34
Did you read the companion article--that the telecommunications companies marions ghost Aug 2013 #38
Sounds like about $200 per man, woman and child in the U.S. Flying Squirrel Aug 2013 #35
Oh yeah. Well, Putin doesn't wear a shirt all the time. Jakes Progress Aug 2013 #36
The Coverage in WAPO: marions ghost Aug 2013 #39
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