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In reply to the discussion: Making You "Comfortable" with Spying Is Obama's Big NSA Fix [View all]limpyhobbler
(8,244 posts)93. I guess most of us are OK with some spying but are against mass surveillance.
That's the problem really. There will be nuance in individual opinions but in general it seems like most people agree the governemnt has overstepped its appropriate authority.
This decider was elected twice by a majority of American voters. The second election was only ten months ago.
But he didn't tell us he supported mass surveillance. Or maybe he did tell us and we didn't understand. It doesn't make any difference. If we fell outraged by something we learn now, after the election, then we continue to exercise democratic pressure on the authorities to change their behavior.
The House and Senate passed the bills that allowed this.
No they didn't. Well it's a point of debate. The Congress passed laws allowing for collection of domestic business records that are relevant to an authorized investigation. The President says "relevant" means all communications can be logged because everything is relevant. That's not true though. Everything is not relevant to an investigation of terrorism. That was not the intention of Congress in passing the Patriot Act.
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Yes, that is what this was about, imo. They realized they had not succeeded in tamping
sabrina 1
Aug 2013
#78
The phony "terra alert" at the embassies stopped momentum, changed the conversation, & bought time
chimpymustgo
Aug 2013
#91
He obviously has no choice in the matter. Those pulling his strings are calling the shots,
NorthCarolina
Aug 2013
#4
"Globally, roughly 99 percent of the world's communications travel over undersea fiber-optic cables"
whttevrr
Aug 2013
#53
1.6% of something wrong is still wrong! Besides, that's how it starts now, 10 years from now it
Dustlawyer
Aug 2013
#90
Where is this "More transparency, less secrecy" ? Only talking points currently, and small changes
Civilization2
Aug 2013
#89
References To The EFF - Would Not Have Happened Without Snowden's Leaks - This Made My day
cantbeserious
Aug 2013
#20
Some No Longer Trust His Words - His Transparency Is Opaque Doublespeak To Protect Illegal Acts
cantbeserious
Aug 2013
#13
The question, Mr. President, is how to make gov't responsive to the American people again!
Coyotl
Aug 2013
#14
We're never going to get comfortable with giving away our Constitutional rights.
Waiting For Everyman
Aug 2013
#18
Crimes against the American people and violations to the Constitution have NO business
AppleBottom
Aug 2013
#49
I think you are too quick to give him credit for something he should have done 5 years ago.
rhett o rick
Aug 2013
#75
"The question is, how do I make the American people more comfortable?" Obama said.
blackspade
Aug 2013
#34
Oddly if he supported legalized marijuana, we might be more comfortable. nm
rhett o rick
Aug 2013
#76
And just what's so bad about feeling good? This approach has always been used for war
Douglas Carpenter
Aug 2013
#62
par for the course: if McCain tied up the American people with a bow and delivered them to Big
MisterP
Aug 2013
#68
The President either embraces the authoritarian spying on Americans or he has been
rhett o rick
Aug 2013
#73
Now imagine a repuke POTUS in control of the NSA. Does the idea of that upset you?
L0oniX
Aug 2013
#79
I guess most of us are OK with some spying but are against mass surveillance.
limpyhobbler
Aug 2013
#93
Why shouldn't they be destroyed? Why should the government collect Verizon customers' phone logs?
limpyhobbler
Aug 2013
#99
or they could use them to bust weed dealers and disrupt political protests
limpyhobbler
Aug 2013
#103
And if you find the buzz of drones overhead unnerving, silent propellers will be fitted
kenny blankenship
Aug 2013
#102