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In reply to the discussion: Already, another Trayvon Martin incident has just happened [View all]southernyankeebelle
(11,304 posts)353. Well maybe this guy shouldn't have a gun. I mean if you shoot a guy for standing by your
car only shows me the man don't need a gun.
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She charged into the house with the gun. That isn't defense. Check out the links. N/T
GreenStormCloud
Jul 2013
#468
Green, I concur with your sensibilities. As a law student, as someone who has studied the law
cecilfirefox
Jul 2013
#498
Correct. This wouldn't be a Stand Your Ground case. But LA is also a Castle Doctrine state.
Xithras
Jul 2013
#507
Wonder why he jumped the fence into the yard. Article doesn't explain that part...
Tx4obama
Jul 2013
#6
The shooter was in a "Shoot first and ask questions later" frame of mind....
TheDebbieDee
Jul 2013
#11
Then you'd better make a good decision about how you are in fear of your life
treestar
Jul 2013
#456
You only have to follow their advice, if that's what you want to do. I wouldn't trust a firearms
Hoyt
Jul 2013
#281
if you understand how NRA bard elections go you would know generalmemership has little sway
ceonupe
Jul 2013
#314
Courses taught by those certified by organization answering to gun manufacturers are a little too
Hoyt
Jul 2013
#319
Deliberate shots to wound are illegal. Such a shot is evidence against you.
GreenStormCloud
Jul 2013
#406
it was 2 am. pizza guys usually phone the home when they're lost, they don't jump the gate.
HiPointDem
Jul 2013
#136
and, unfortunately, the bound of "private property" is being extended and extended
DrDan
Jul 2013
#287
He want to play 'tug o war' with things, so I bought a hemp rope, but he doesn't play with it.
AnotherDreamWeaver
Jul 2013
#337
if it were a white teenager climbing my fence to get in my yard after dark (2 am) while his friend
HiPointDem
Jul 2013
#32
i said i wouldn't shoot. and i would call the police, since our response times are good. but
HiPointDem
Jul 2013
#49
How does a possible burglary that hasn't happened justify the death penalty? n/t
pnwmom
Jul 2013
#124
So trespassing = death penalty!?!!? Yes DU, you've been overun by fudr no doubt
uponit7771
Jul 2013
#491
They guy was 30 feet away, the witness's say he was no threat and the shooter has been charged in th
uponit7771
Jul 2013
#502
Yes, people are usually against overt racist like Zimmerman so I think there were plenty of cries
uponit7771
Jul 2013
#506
It doesn't. Even if he was planning to break in, he wasn't a threat yet.
GreenStormCloud
Jul 2013
#412
Winding roads in the typical suburban housing complex make for many shortcuts through yards.
JVS
Jul 2013
#26
there is no alley. the house is faced by houses on three sides. they butt up against each other.
HiPointDem
Jul 2013
#445
Perhaps you would have a more effective point if you discussed the dangers of alcohol and drugs
busterbrown
Jul 2013
#66
I’ll doubt you’ll be hearing him at a press conference talking about his intolerance..
busterbrown
Jul 2013
#89
he doesn't have a 'lawn'. look at the properties in the neighborhood before you say dumb things.
HiPointDem
Jul 2013
#67
except the victim isn't dead; it's "attempted". i'm not arguing whether or not the shooting
HiPointDem
Jul 2013
#88
you're ridiculous. there was no legitimate reason for him being on their property at 2 am.
HiPointDem
Jul 2013
#96
BUT there are a range of even criminal acts that DO NOT warrant deadly force.
AtheistCrusader
Jul 2013
#99
i'm not debating over whether deadly force was or was not warranted. i'm arguing that bane's
HiPointDem
Jul 2013
#106
'castle doctrine' is not an explicit written statement, it's a body of tradition, precedent & law.
HiPointDem
Jul 2013
#451
Except of course that I EXPLICITLY said it didn't warrant deadly force.
AtheistCrusader
Jul 2013
#80
You handwaved his presence away as being a simple matter of passing through the yard.
AtheistCrusader
Jul 2013
#107
There is a spectrum of nefarious intent that lies OUTSIDE the continuum warranting
AtheistCrusader
Jul 2013
#111
if you have ever lived in the kind of neighborhood where armed robbery, armed burglary, and
HiPointDem
Jul 2013
#119
assuming they had a clear choice of where to shoot (probably not since the kid was standing
HiPointDem
Jul 2013
#117
yes, well, it also seems clear to you that a kid might jump a spiked fence at 2 am in a high crime
HiPointDem
Jul 2013
#447
you're obviously heavily invested in the straw man franchise, since i explicitly said 'doesn't
HiPointDem
Jul 2013
#450
I alerted on that guy so many times and they always came back split. It infuriated me all the time.
hrmjustin
Aug 2013
#542
I am on MIrt so send me a PM if you see him or others that seem like a troll.
hrmjustin
Aug 2013
#550
He was safe in the house. He could have shouted through the window that he had a gun
pnwmom
Jul 2013
#305
There you go, a good excuse to shoot unarmed teen in head over a bit of property.
Hoyt
Jul 2013
#142
about 1/4 of the doors & windows in that neighborhood have bars over them; it's apparently
HiPointDem
Jul 2013
#36
I agree. The guy in TX was not even on his own property. There is something about this that's off.
freshwest
Jul 2013
#54
Why shoot at the heart or the head? Why not lower the gun and shoot at the legs? It will stop him.
SunSeeker
Jul 2013
#37
I posed this question in regard to Trayvon being shot through the heart.
No Vested Interest
Jul 2013
#48
he couldn't have 'run away'. the yard is too small to run anywhere, and to get out you have
HiPointDem
Jul 2013
#133
Apparently the visibility was good enough to hit the kid in the head with one shot. nt
SunSeeker
Jul 2013
#214
I have no idea whether he aimed for the head or not, and neither do you. What I know is it's a
HiPointDem
Jul 2013
#338
There is no doubt the kid was trespassing. But trespassing does not warrant the death penalty. nt
SunSeeker
Jul 2013
#379
You don't fire a warning shot to win an argument. That's reckless endangerment at minimum.
X_Digger
Jul 2013
#478
I'm guessing, but: the neighborhood is apparently kind of high crime to start with & there's
HiPointDem
Jul 2013
#58
Exactly, probably gave the shooter a gun at age 7, and took him to range to practice shooting
Hoyt
Jul 2013
#242
I had decent parents, but I remember sneaking out in the middle of the night
penultimate
Jul 2013
#198
Another 'shoot first' nut. He's in deep doodoo. There is no justification for shooting
Flatulo
Jul 2013
#74
this guy didn't have an upstairs bedroom. those houses are tiny, shotgun type houses. another
HiPointDem
Jul 2013
#118
i dunno. i just don't think this is anything like the trayvon martin case, however hard the
HiPointDem
Jul 2013
#121
you're confused, as i am not arguing there was a reason to shoot. i *am* arguing there was
HiPointDem
Jul 2013
#129
you can argue the legalities of it all you like. i'm saying, when you are in that kind of environ-
HiPointDem
Jul 2013
#309
So you support shooting a kid riding a bicycle in the head over easily replaceable property?
Hoyt
Jul 2013
#153
No, I am saying they were bicycling (so young kids) and one got off and jumped over a fence.
Hoyt
Jul 2013
#175
Nope, my posts are simply saying these are young folks who ride bikes, not hardened criminals.
Hoyt
Jul 2013
#190
Thanks, HolyMoley, I'm sure folks in your favorite group -- the gungeon -- will agree with you.
Hoyt
Jul 2013
#267
I've never been to the gungeon. I live in a small, 90% white town with a high crime rate, mostly
HiPointDem
Jul 2013
#340
i don't think you understand the situation. the kid was in the 'yard' a few feet from the back
HiPointDem
Jul 2013
#336
I don't compare it to Trayvon's murder. In this case, the bicycling kid was shot at 30 feet.
Hoyt
Jul 2013
#172
Bicycle proves to me he was not a hardened criminal. But, you guys will back the shooter
Hoyt
Jul 2013
#196
She might be ignored, unless of course she's black/brown. Then the swat team would be summoned.
Hoyt
Jul 2013
#350
A kid outside, can take anything they want -- and unlike you, I would not even think of shooting
Hoyt
Jul 2013
#194
We'll find out when facts are released. Until then, I'm not going on auto support for shooter.
Hoyt
Jul 2013
#291
30 feet. Now that's not a "big" threat, when the bicycling kid is unarmed, and you are.
Hoyt
Jul 2013
#164
Hopefully, NO law enforcement will not release man who shot kid at 30 feet over replaceabl property.
Hoyt
Jul 2013
#174
The usual suspect sources, I'm sure free republic, stormfront, etc., are burning up the internet
Hoyt
Jul 2013
#215
Give me a break, you support shooting an unarmed kid at 30 feet over something left outside in
Hoyt
Jul 2013
#220
MORE PROOF that DU has been overun by fudr!! Kill someone over property!?!! REALLY?!
uponit7771
Jul 2013
#495
Link and quote the kid being the "look out" just because they're black doesn't mean they were trying
uponit7771
Jul 2013
#494
He road the bike to the house, that shows the kid is not some hardened criminal to be shot
Hoyt
Jul 2013
#182
We've yet to find if the shooter was an angle either. I know to gun cultists he is, but . . . . . .
Hoyt
Jul 2013
#249
Apparently, our shooter wasn't in imminent danger, or under attack. So much for critical thinkin.
Hoyt
Jul 2013
#248
Says the man with a reference to guns in his user name on DU. Haven't seen you around to
Hoyt
Jul 2013
#212
Clearly the kid was up to no good, but shooting him at 30 feet when he is not a hardened
Hoyt
Jul 2013
#231
If they are at 30 feet, unarmed, a kid, poking around outside, etc., they aren't acting like a home
Hoyt
Jul 2013
#301
Article: Law experts say trespassing under Louisiana code does not justify excessive force.
Hoyt
Jul 2013
#264
Fail = another case were a black kid gets killed for little or nothing and racist support the killer
uponit7771
Jul 2013
#500
Why did he shoot him in the head? He could have easily shot him in the leg so he couldn't
southernyankeebelle
Jul 2013
#210
guess I watch way to much tv. After all killing for the sake of a car or like the wild west
southernyankeebelle
Jul 2013
#351
Well maybe this guy shouldn't have a gun. I mean if you shoot a guy for standing by your
southernyankeebelle
Jul 2013
#353
There are a lot of arteries in the leg. A shot that hits the femoral artery can result ...
spin
Jul 2013
#303
Yes I agree with you totally. This business of standing your ground isn't working for
southernyankeebelle
Jul 2013
#355
Apparently got him in the head at 30 feet. There goes lighting and threatened justification.
Hoyt
Jul 2013
#252
Its going to keep happening over and over. Stand your ground laws are a legal license to kill
workinclasszero
Jul 2013
#348
According to his uncle, he was involved in several burglerys, and got caught up in the wrong crowd.
Travis_0004
Jul 2013
#453
Just curious, do cities have curfews anymore? When I grew up, there was a 10 p.m. curfew under a
Common Sense Party
Jul 2013
#403
The information is limited, but it sounds like attempted Murder 2 to me.
GreenStormCloud
Jul 2013
#407
+1, not only that but there were witness's in this case, the guy was 30 feet away from the kid & vid
uponit7771
Jul 2013
#503
Mostly, they are objecting to whitewashing the teen as "just cutting across the yard".
GreenStormCloud
Jul 2013
#515
normally i would agree, but in this case there are reasons the homeowner might not have
HiPointDem
Jul 2013
#525
Yeap, the same people who defended the racist Zimmerman are defending this guy too
uponit7771
Jul 2013
#504
just for the record: the issue is whether the homeowner *believed* the kid posed a threat.
HiPointDem
Jul 2013
#521
he didn't 'run' into the yard. he climbed over a chest high iron spiked fence. and since the
HiPointDem
Jul 2013
#523
"Cul-de-sac: is an expression of French origin also used in Catalan and Occitan referring to a dead
HiPointDem
Jul 2013
#533
The racist who supported Z the first time is supporting this guy. He was 30 feet away and witness's
uponit7771
Jul 2013
#501
what 'witnesses'? so far as i have heard, there were no witnesses except possibly the kid's
HiPointDem
Jul 2013
#520
It looks to me like YOU are the only one"connecting it to the Trayvon Martin case." n/t
oneshooter
Jul 2013
#529