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156. I've found that in many cases, "something" is NOT better than "nothing," because

Sun Jul 21, 2013, 09:29 AM

Jul 2013

the "something" (in this case, the ACA) cements into place yet another corporate-friendly rape of the public and, yet again, pushes off into the future a sane and frugal health care system like other countries have. It's all there right in front of you, in Canada, Europe, Iceland, etc. This country will do ANYTHING to avoid the sensible thing and continue the plundering of its citizens, and ACA is one way it is doing that.

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Union Letter: Obamacare Will ‘Destroy The Very Health and Wellbeing’ of Workers [View all] dkf Jul 2013 OP

Of course this is a horrific corporate monstrosity. MrSlayer Jul 2013 #1

Bingo. Scuba Jul 2013 #4

And which 60 Senators would have voted for Medicare for All? pnwmom Jul 2013 #149

The problem is that Medicare is perceived as fiscally unsustainable, as is. MH1 Jul 2013 #154

Buy-in Medicare for all ErikJ Jul 2013 #169

This law will allow me to buy medical insurance again. kestrel91316 Aug 2013 #192

Because wanting a real system means I want you dead. MrSlayer Aug 2013 #193

They never loved him anyway. JoeyT Jul 2013 #2

This fits right in with the comments at the article. cui bono Jul 2013 #94

knr forestpath Jul 2013 #3

But..but...can't he just sign an executive order davidpdx Jul 2013 #5

O.K. everyone, let's start digging into these guys personal lives. vi5 Jul 2013 #6

I take it you're not a morning person. Scurrilous Jul 2013 #10

+1 L0oniX Jul 2013 #46

James P. Hoffa ?? really? n/t Locrian Jul 2013 #7

Yeah, really. Cal Carpenter Jul 2013 #25

just an infamous name... any relation? Locrian Jul 2013 #56

Yes, that's his father who was also Teamsters pres Cal Carpenter Jul 2013 #58

well, look who just caught up Doctor_J Jul 2013 #64

Yeah, he's my union president Generic Other Jul 2013 #77

The ACA was a disaster from the get-go Morganfleeman Jul 2013 #8

It was a scam from the get-go. woo me with science Jul 2013 #65

Which is why the insurance companies were the ones with the back door deal. cui bono Jul 2013 #95

Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2013 #176

Uh huh. Cool story! Yet all my Canadian friends are very pleased with their system. uppityperson Aug 2013 #178

Bless Your Heart.... The Magistrate Aug 2013 #180

Welcome to DU. Using a moniker that is JimDandy Aug 2013 #183

They're just racist libertarian Paul-bots. TransitJohn Jul 2013 #9

the veneer is starting to crack, the rot inside exposed. KG Jul 2013 #11

the unions need to separate themselves from the democratic party and form a labor party leftyohiolib Jul 2013 #12

I have noticed Lee-Lee Jul 2013 #14

Yeah! Scurrilous Jul 2013 #16

we are already divided - go along to get along isnt helping leftyohiolib Jul 2013 #34

because shuddup, that's why. frylock Jul 2013 #60

we're already divided, unity is a two way street. Sirveri Jul 2013 #118

+1,000,000 zeeland Jul 2013 #63

Isn't this the part about the outrageously expensive health plans Progressive dog Jul 2013 #13

So unions should STFU? blackspade Jul 2013 #18

No, a tweak is not removing the tax Progressive dog Jul 2013 #21

That is not a progressive tax. blackspade Jul 2013 #74

Look up progressive ta/. Progressive dog Jul 2013 #82

Excessive tax free benefits? blackspade Jul 2013 #110

Lowest common denominator at 2x average Progressive dog Jul 2013 #111

Your entitled to your opinion. blackspade Jul 2013 #114

No it wouldn't, it would increase the cost of Progressive dog Jul 2013 #126

That is your opinion. blackspade Jul 2013 #129

Not an opinion, it is fact that Progressive dog Jul 2013 #130

What exactly is an exceptionally generous healthcare plan? Generic Other Jul 2013 #79

Do you know what people in other developed countries call those "Cadillac" plans? eridani Jul 2013 #112

yep, even folks in Canada BUY their own "Cadillac" plans. Schema Thing Jul 2013 #115

Yes, they buy them with their taxes eridani Jul 2013 #125

Sounds like you favor a "race to the bottom" with healthcare plans Teamster Jeff Jul 2013 #80

Hoffa knew the law when it was written. Progressive dog Jul 2013 #89

What deductions? Teamster Jeff Jul 2013 #93

$25,200 per year for a family plan Progressive dog Jul 2013 #128

No mention of lowlife scab assholes in the ACA either. Teamster Jeff Jul 2013 #132

Scab is a strike breaker Progressive dog Jul 2013 #133

Some people just lack the opportunity but still deserve the name Teamster Jeff Jul 2013 #139

What an oppressed baby. Progressive dog Jul 2013 #146

Do you know what people in the rest of the developed world call those "gold-plated" plans? eridani Jul 2013 #113

Do you know we have ACA and the letter from Hoffa Progressive dog Jul 2013 #127

Every other developed country citizen gets the equivalent of our "wealthy" plans eridani Jul 2013 #142

So what, which of those other countries does Hoffa think he lives in? Progressive dog Jul 2013 #145

Other countries control health care costs through global budgeting eridani Jul 2013 #148

Again so what, that doesn't address Progressive dog Jul 2013 #150

And you are advocating for a race to the bottom where everyone gets worse eridani Jul 2013 #167

No I'm not, you are advocating a tiered health system Progressive dog Jul 2013 #168

No other country has parasitic insurance companies gouging obscene profits Jackpine Radical Jul 2013 #152

I thought we were talking about Hoffa's special health care Progressive dog Jul 2013 #153

The only thing they could achieve is repea Progressive dog Jul 2013 #39

A corporate union rep? blackspade Jul 2013 #73

James Hoffa, the writer of the piece Progressive dog Jul 2013 #85

I have to repeat the question... what the hell is that? cui bono Jul 2013 #97

Labor unions are corporations. Progressive dog Jul 2013 #98

Unions are a democracy.. We vote for our leaders. Teamster Jeff Jul 2013 #99

There's a Teamsters for a democratic union group Progressive dog Jul 2013 #105

*sigh* cui bono Jul 2013 #103

LOLWHUT. Starry Messenger Jul 2013 #134

Look it up and Hoffa is President of one. nt Progressive dog Jul 2013 #135

Look it up yourself. Starry Messenger Jul 2013 #137

This is not about unions, this is about Hoffa Progressive dog Jul 2013 #138

You sound pretty bitter Teamster Jeff Jul 2013 #81

James Hoffa is an nexample of a corporate Progressive dog Jul 2013 #83

You are clueless Teamster Jeff Jul 2013 #96

It's the Teamsters that supported Reagan Progressive dog Jul 2013 #100

Obama didn't hold it against the Teamsters when they endorsed him Teamster Jeff Jul 2013 #101

Ok until 2008, the Teamsters supported drilling in ANWAR. Progressive dog Jul 2013 #104

Nothing about mobsters? Thugs? Teamster Jeff Jul 2013 #106

Not yet, a lot of Kennedys liked Progressive dog Jul 2013 #107

How does that work? freedom fighter jh Jul 2013 #19

The law is in place, there is no way to change irt now. Progressive dog Jul 2013 #20

Oh, I thought you said the "more real objection" might be freedom fighter jh Jul 2013 #22

We should wait until the law is in place Progressive dog Jul 2013 #24

You just said the law is in place. freedom fighter jh Jul 2013 #26

I should have said until the law is Progressive dog Jul 2013 #29

Thanks for asking. That was rhetorical. freedom fighter jh Jul 2013 #32

Haven't been following the news, have you? brentspeak Jul 2013 #27

Already planning Progressive dog Jul 2013 #31

I've found that in many cases, "something" is NOT better than "nothing," because Nay Jul 2013 #156

Wel Congress and the President thinks the ACA Progressive dog Jul 2013 #161

No zipplewrath Jul 2013 #35

This says it all. Progressive dog Jul 2013 #38

Why do you assume these workers are "high wage" earners. Jesus Malverde Jul 2013 #45

Because they have expensive health plans Progressive dog Jul 2013 #51

Those union members aren't necessarily "high wage earners" zipplewrath Jul 2013 #47

Teamsters with high priced (taxable) health insurance Progressive dog Jul 2013 #50

Not anymore zipplewrath Jul 2013 #54

Link to teamsters contracts Progressive dog Jul 2013 #55

So screw 'em to the wall? zipplewrath Jul 2013 #66

Scabs who trash unions Teamster Jeff Jul 2013 #84

You don't know what a scab is. Progressive dog Jul 2013 #86

I wanted to use asshole but though better of it Teamster Jeff Jul 2013 #88

Yes you are Progressive dog Jul 2013 #91

You go, Jeff. Nay Jul 2013 #157

Can we get links to non-union contracts? cui bono Jul 2013 #102

I've never understood where that $40 an hour came from KentuckyWoman Jul 2013 #140

4 percent right now Life Long Dem Jul 2013 #40

4 percent of what zipplewrath Jul 2013 #49

Exactly. I bet Walmart is one, and they are the largest employer in the US. nt Nay Jul 2013 #159

Everyone has their price. nt AllINeedIsCoffee Jul 2013 #15

and I guess we know yours.. frylock Jul 2013 #62

Not everyone. Fearless Jul 2013 #69

Can't have the Insurance Industry Subsidy Act accidentally helping non-profit plans... a2liberal Jul 2013 #17

Oh, those stupid stupid Union people. Don't they know that the ACA is perfect in every way? Safetykitten Jul 2013 #23

the administration can't afford this loss. cali Jul 2013 #28

I thought that the Unions were in support of Obamacare? Horse with no Name Jul 2013 #37

They read it ..... oldhippie Jul 2013 #41

If unions wanted exemptions from the ACA. vi5 Jul 2013 #48

I really hope no one is surprised about this. Brickbat Jul 2013 #30

Unions are opposed to anything ProSense Jul 2013 #33

Very interesting point. Makes the letter in the OP look like crocodile tears. nt. MH1 Jul 2013 #155

K&R'd! snot Jul 2013 #36

When the ACA was passed edhopper Jul 2013 #42

Thank you. That's been my point for a while. The ACA is not just a diversion from the Nay Jul 2013 #162

So should we get behind the republicans? Kingofalldems Jul 2013 #43

I guess if you meet the criteria Hoffa has put forward. AllINeedIsCoffee Jul 2013 #44

It has helped me and that is all that matters. frylock Jul 2013 #61

As my out of pocket expenses spiral ever upward I'll take solace in what you wrote. pa28 Aug 2013 #194

It's sure not gonna hurt MY life. Access to healthcare via decent insurance kestrel91316 Jul 2013 #52

Adjuncts are already being hit with hour reductions. Starry Messenger Jul 2013 #53

The UFCW spent years selling out part time employees Trekologer Jul 2013 #57

But we'll blame them for next November's catastrophe Doctor_J Jul 2013 #59

A letter from Jimmy Hoffa's son Rex Jul 2013 #67

Wow, just wow Fearless Jul 2013 #70

So who wants single payer now? Fearless Jul 2013 #68

Always wanted single payer option and saw the writting on the wall Rex Jul 2013 #71

It would Fearless Jul 2013 #72

Me! Me! Me! roamer65 Jul 2013 #90

Sure. Let's do it Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 #120

By getting them to stand against it Fearless Jul 2013 #123

Corporations recieved consideration regarding the employer mandate Teamster Jeff Jul 2013 #75

That is odd IMO. Why only give concessions to opponents? dkf Jul 2013 #76

It is odd isn't it. But not a surprise Teamster Jeff Jul 2013 #78

"a hint that a Republican wrote this steaming pile of a law"???? dflprincess Jul 2013 #109

The fix for this steaming pile of dog duty... roamer65 Jul 2013 #87

K & R & AzDar Jul 2013 #92

Soon there will be only seven Democrats in the US that have not been... Safetykitten Jul 2013 #108

Exactly. When are we going to wise up? I'm beyond disgusted, into fire-breathing territory. nt Nay Jul 2013 #165

First they suppressed wages, now they are gutting benefits. kenny blankenship Jul 2013 #116

So now you like Unions? Capt. Obvious Jul 2013 #117

Seriously. eom uppityperson Jul 2013 #122

LOL Cali_Democrat Jul 2013 #141

Case by case basis...sometimes unions overreach and sometimes their issues are completely legitimate dkf Jul 2013 #147

Spot on - you are fucking laughable Capt. Obvious Jul 2013 #170

I do agree with the letter... dkf Jul 2013 #171

Post removed Post removed Jul 2013 #119

Riiiiight. Tell it to THIS girl JaneyVee Jul 2013 #121

K&R B Calm Jul 2013 #144

kick n/t ChazII Jul 2013 #124

kick progressoid Jul 2013 #131

Union bashing in half the responses on a supposedly Democratic website. Astonishing. 1-Old-Man Jul 2013 #136

Stunning isn't it? pa28 Aug 2013 #191

International Brotherhood of Teamsters B Calm Jul 2013 #143

They also supported Vietnam. Jackpine Radical Jul 2013 #160

One partial solution is to define 25-hrs./week as full time. nt Deep13 Jul 2013 #151

Then there will suddenly be a lot of service workers Jackpine Radical Jul 2013 #158

Maybe, but a lot of places can't run with just pt help. Deep13 Jul 2013 #164

But...But...But...private enterprise can do tsuki Jul 2013 #163

Obama to Union: $orry, I'm too busy cajoling Repugs to accept chained CPI to read your letter. MotherPetrie Jul 2013 #166

Forgot Dear Leader Boehner. Fail. n/t Orsino Jul 2013 #172

Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2013 #173

Cool Story, Bro.... The Magistrate Aug 2013 #174

He's a Libertarian. FRP, eh? uppityperson Aug 2013 #182

Shocked I Am, Ma'am, Stunned To Learn It, I Tell You.... The Magistrate Aug 2013 #184

I got chided for my alert. uppityperson Aug 2013 #185

Sounds Like Some Real Duds And Duffi Drawing Duty Today, Ma'am.... The Magistrate Aug 2013 #188

And An Epic Jury Fail, Too, Ma'am The Magistrate Aug 2013 #186

Uh huh. Huh. Tell us, who did you support for Pres last election. And uh. huh. uppityperson Aug 2013 #175

Post removed Post removed Aug 2013 #179

FRP. This is Democratic Underground, not RP underground. FRP. eom uppityperson Aug 2013 #181

Jury + MIRT solves another problem in record time! Rowdyboy Aug 2013 #187

Not One To Crow About, Sir, This Episode: Took Three Swings, Shouldn't Have Taken More Than One The Magistrate Aug 2013 #190

Luckily I was just one of the jurors and am not on the MIRT team.... Rowdyboy Aug 2013 #195

ACA will save $300 billion a year by 2020 NoOneMan Aug 2013 #177

The entire law is a Republican concept. Now we're shocked it's being used as a tool to hurt labor. pa28 Aug 2013 #189