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jmowreader

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30. No.

Sun Jul 21, 2013, 03:31 AM

Jul 2013

Analysts have a LOT of experience and training in target identification. And they're not the final arbiter.

Once you've been working a target for a while, you get a good general feel for what ISN'T what you're looking for, or what you're allowed to look for. And if something feels wrong, you don't try collecting on it, or think about collecting on it. If you feel that you've got a good target when you're in a situation where illegal-to-collect ones abound, you have to go through a lot of layers of bureaucracy and several signoffs to get approval to collect on the guy - and you have to prove almost without even the shadow of a doubt you're legally entitled to collect.

The standard for putting a target on collection is higher than the standard for putting someone in prison. The standard for not putting a target on collection is not nearly as high.

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Can someone please explain how the NSA Slurp and Burp doesn't violate wiretap law? [View all] hootinholler Jul 2013 OP

It can't be explained because it isn't legal. Well, unless... PSPS Jul 2013 #1

He was asked if they collected data. Igel Jul 2013 #2

Do you really mean: hootinholler Jul 2013 #4

It's legal cause Bush said so RobertEarl Jul 2013 #3

I read about one possible weasel legal move, woo me with science Jul 2013 #5

Yep. There it is. The Loophole. RobertEarl Jul 2013 #9

Where the communications are coming from doesn't matter jmowreader Jul 2013 #10

How do they know you are a USian? RobertEarl Jul 2013 #12

Speaking English is one of the ways jmowreader Jul 2013 #17

Are you seriously suggesting that we have replaced the constitution hootinholler Jul 2013 #20

No. jmowreader Jul 2013 #30

This was explained before. AnotherMcIntosh Jul 2013 #6

Perhaps our Congress-critters could pass this law ... HumansAndResources Jul 2013 #7

First one must understand what wiretapping involves and understand what collecting phone call record Thinkingabout Jul 2013 #8

Thanks for speaking out on behalf of simple thinkers. And simple spellers, too. DisgustipatedinCA Jul 2013 #23

Oh wow, seems like simple thinker can even get the message with typo, guess everyone can't be Thinkingabout Jul 2013 #24

Clapper's definition of collection is what the intelligence community uses jmowreader Jul 2013 #11

If you feel more government is better RobertEarl Jul 2013 #13

I think we're answering different questions jmowreader Jul 2013 #15

Collection of contents RobertEarl Jul 2013 #28

Sorry but Government is not bad Life Long Dem Jul 2013 #18

That is not what Clapper said hootinholler Jul 2013 #21

Clapper's metaphor was real twisted jmowreader Jul 2013 #22

So you are saying this is what he should have said? hootinholler Jul 2013 #27

still waiting to hear the justification for the patriot act being used mainly to arrest pot smokers. Warren DeMontague Jul 2013 #14

Do you understand we already knew about NSA collecting phone records? Life Long Dem Jul 2013 #16

ill gotten gain, can't be used in court ... quadrature Jul 2013 #19

The best argument for how it can be legal, is they have FISA court warrants for it. limpyhobbler Jul 2013 #25

All I can damn well guarantee you, this will be a major issue come the 2014 elections and somebody Purveyor Jul 2013 #26

NSA spying is a republican baby RobertEarl Jul 2013 #29