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silvershadow

(10,336 posts)
Sat Jul 6, 2013, 03:33 AM Jul 2013

Waiter, there is a fly in my soup. [View all]

(pick your own favorite punch line, there are many).

Once was a time at DU and elsewhere when Democrats were gnashing teeth about the Patriot Act, FISA courts, etc. Heck, DU practically single-handedly funneled the outrage and angst that people felt about GWB and all his, shall we just call them antics? It was not only a welcome place to be, but it also elevated the discussion to the national stage, really. I honestly believe that. I was here in the first days, and all throughout.

While we Democrats didn't always win on the issues, we at least got our voices heard and in fact ridiculed relentlessly as the Faux noise machine kicked into high gear in support of the wars, the spending, etc. There was a time when this place was crawling with those who disagreed with the way things were going. Kucinich lovers. (He's maybe the only one who ended up voting against it). When GWB was pretzel-nut, it was palpable. We couldn't wait until he was replaced. Kerry campaigned on it. Obama campaigned on it. And DU was giddy at the prospects. We were gonna fix it. You just wait.

Now, here we are, 13 years on, and this place looks like it has been infiltrated by inter-lopers. I don't know how else to phrase it. I know there are some trolls and disruptors around regularly, and I'm not talking about them. I'm talking about those that still don't get that it's not about Snowden. It's about the Constitution and the rule of law. You and I would go to jail for stealing $50. They steal $50 Billion with impunity. You and I would go to jail for wiretapping our neighbors. They do it with impunity. You and I would go to jail for lying to Congress. Just another's day's work in Washington.

So, please forgive me if I take offense to some of the un-critical thinking that gets bandied about. You see, I haven't budged one millimeter in 13 years. I am still waiting for this patently unconstitutional construct that has been foisted upon us, by the same critters that foisted GWB on us, (under whose leadership virtually every disastrous change to America occurred), to be fixed. To so casually dismiss it on the pretense that Snowden committed crimes is preposterous. I am not dismissing Snowden's actions, either...if he committed crimes, he will eventually face the piper. But to focus on him is so distantly secondary to the real issue just boggles my mind.

The Patriot Act was supposed to sunset at least twice, but it remains, 13 years later. Ok, if it needed to be, fine. We got Bin Laden. Great. We needed to. But we didn't get him by building a gargantuan database that would make Hoover look like Helen Keller without fingers- by storing this massive database in perpetuity. I hate to say it, but I don't think the United States of America will ever get back to the way it was before GWB- not in my lifetime. There's a fly in my soup, and that's not the only bug I'm concerned with.

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Waiter, there is a fly in my soup. [View all] silvershadow Jul 2013 OP
K&R emsimon33 Jul 2013 #1
Thankyou! sibelian Jul 2013 #2
I don't know what's happened to this place. NuclearDem Jul 2013 #3
It's called propaganda, woo me with science Jul 2013 #35
And then they talk about how "divided" we are instead of just saying "people are pissed". nt silvershadow Jul 2013 #38
Thank You cantbeserious Jul 2013 #4
Remember how we couldn't fathom that core base of Repug Dubya-lovers... SaveOurDemocracy Jul 2013 #5
+1. There appear to be some DUers for whom everything is about Obama. winter is coming Jul 2013 #17
Like using the San Francisco plane crash to mock Snowden? Disgusting/shameless Divernan Jul 2013 #32
As bad as President Obama may seem from time to time, I hold this truth to be HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #24
I never indicated Obama, or any Dem, isn't better than any/every Repug. It's the SaveOurDemocracy Jul 2013 #29
Yeah, I get you. It's really a shame that they howl those justifications, as their HardTimes99 Jul 2013 #31
Right there beside you. SaveOurDemocracy Jul 2013 #34
k&r for the truth, however depressing it may be. n/t Laelth Jul 2013 #6
It's gotten old. felix_numinous Jul 2013 #7
As to "showing up", I have been here since DU's inception. silvershadow Jul 2013 #8
Hey I wasn't talking about you!! felix_numinous Jul 2013 #9
Ok, sorry then. I apologize. Re-reading it, I guess I see that. silvershadow Jul 2013 #11
I liked your post felix_numinous Jul 2013 #16
I can't keep track anymore (not that I ever could). Too many differing views, as to be expected. silvershadow Jul 2013 #20
Are you sure there isn't some soup in your fly? mindwalker_i Jul 2013 #10
Right. That's why I explained I am *not talking about trolls. silvershadow Jul 2013 #13
Fair enough mindwalker_i Jul 2013 #18
A lot of people are quite sincere in criticizing Snowden. They really don't understand why JDPriestly Jul 2013 #43
There's a bug on your monitor! L0oniX Jul 2013 #12
LOL. That there is! silvershadow Jul 2013 #14
except I know you are wrong hfojvt Jul 2013 #15
How, exactly, does one do what you propose? silvershadow Jul 2013 #19
I think there are always more than two sides to an issue - any issue hfojvt Jul 2013 #21
I agree that these are important issues: JDPriestly Jul 2013 #44
but they are not for me hfojvt Jul 2013 #46
I think there are more than two sides to these issues animato Jul 2013 #22
Two sides to the Constitution? Really? nt silvershadow Jul 2013 #23
k&r Liberal_in_LA Jul 2013 #25
Where was all the sturm und drang when the Patriot Act was re-approved? hedgehog Jul 2013 #26
I wish I could speak to that. I can't. I can only hope people are awakening. nt silvershadow Jul 2013 #28
Yeah. Wnat you typed. nt PufPuf23 Jul 2013 #27
"... this place looks like it has been infiltrated by inter-lopers ..." Scuba Jul 2013 #30
Yep, and you should have seen how strongly I worded my texts about the theft of the Social Security silvershadow Jul 2013 #33
+1 LWolf Jul 2013 #36
I can't believe this many posters still don't get IT"S LEGAL UNTIL CONGRESS MAKES IT ILLEGAL. KittyWampus Jul 2013 #37
Were you here during the time all this was enacted? If so, you can find it all right here on DU. silvershadow Jul 2013 #39
It violates the Constitution. JDPriestly Jul 2013 #45
The NSA's actions are NOT legal under any statutory language in place! Brewinblue Jul 2013 #49
I'm still waiting for a few perp-walks. AAO Jul 2013 #40
knr Douglas Carpenter Jul 2013 #41
Well said...As you can tell, I've also been here since 2001 and I remember Triana Jul 2013 #42
This message was self-deleted by its author silvershadow Jul 2013 #47
Outstanding OP! Brewinblue Jul 2013 #48
k & r whttevrr Jul 2013 #50
Right, that ship has sailed. We're NEVER going back. MrSlayer Jul 2013 #51
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