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In reply to the discussion: civil war on DU [View all]stevenleser
(32,886 posts)every time I post something containing facts, I get emotional name-calling posts devoid of facts in response.
Obama's NSA policy can indeed be defended by a rational examination of the facts, history and context combined with an understanding of the relevant case-law involved.
On the other side of things, all attacks I have seen on Obama's NSA policy ignore one or more of those four things, often all four.
I discussed Obama's NSA policy with the facts, history, context and the relevant case law many times including during my show a few weeks ago. Here is the trancript http://www.democraticunderground.com/110210510
No one has been able to refute the facts I provided during that show, or any of my assertions since. It's all emotional stuff like:
1. "I just don't trust the government, and you are foolish if you do because of cointelpro, etc."
2. "Its the fourth amendment!!!!1111" (with no reference to how the appeals courts view this particular issue)
3. "You were probably against it when Bush did it!!!!1111" (No, I was against warrantless wiretapping, and urged a return to FISA in 2007 http://www.opednews.com/articles/opedne_steven_l_071028_republicans_turning_.htm which, it just so happens, Obama is using)