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In reply to the discussion: What kind of person would think that Zimmerman had the right to... [View all]Wolf Frankula
(3,600 posts)74. Zimmerman is
A sorry asshole who was playing TV cop. But he was not a cop, he had no right to act as a cop. Prison, that's what he needs, Prison.
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"... no "punk" would be stupid enough to attack someone with a phone to their ear."
oldhippie
Jun 2013
#346
It seems like there is enough emotion to keep this going until the sun burns out...
Pelican
Jun 2013
#272
We aren't talking about a "Good afternoon" here. It's GD CREEPY to be approached AT NIGHT by a
WinkyDink
Jun 2013
#44
And don't forget this was a 17-year old minor being stalked by a grown man and a stranger.
cheapdate
Jun 2013
#219
When a defense has to rely on strategic lawyering ingenuity, that says something about their case.
pacalo
Jun 2013
#240
Most people would feel intimidated if they were followed; especially at night and by a stranger
DemocratSinceBirth
Jun 2013
#24
A lot of truly dickish behavior is entirely legal and doesn't (legally) justify violence
Recursion
Jun 2013
#167
I think "following" someone who's pretty obviously trying to avoid contact...
Lizzie Poppet
Jun 2013
#287
The answers that you're NOT giving to all of my questions are quite telling indeed. nt
MrScorpio
Jun 2013
#22
are you really suggesting it is AGAINST THE LAW to start a conversation with someone who does
DrDan
Jun 2013
#66
But it is against the law to force another person to engage in conversation
Bjorn Against
Jun 2013
#78
It is irrelevant to whether it is against the law or not. What is relevant is would a
MillennialDem
Jun 2013
#169
this part of the thread originated from a question as to whether one can initiate a conversation
DrDan
Jun 2013
#194
And if it was just two people out for a stroll, you might actually have a point.
jeff47
Jun 2013
#87
This is very disingenuous. The CONTEXT is being FOLLOWED through a development, not a mere
WinkyDink
Jun 2013
#77
A right to talk to, yes. Question, and demand answers, no. Chase down, no. Shoot, no.
Scuba
Jun 2013
#19
Maybe we mean different things by "demand"? I think we're saying the same thing.
Recursion
Jun 2013
#90
If I'm lawfully occupying the space I'm in I'm going to tell you to fuck off...
DemocratSinceBirth
Jun 2013
#98
I don't think that is "the big question". It's one of many, and not the most important.
Scuba
Jun 2013
#126
I disagree. If you knock on my door or come into my house or onto my property, yes. If you are just
MillennialDem
Jun 2013
#170
If TM came back and punched him, yes he was in wrong. If Zimmerman caught up to TM or cut him
MillennialDem
Jun 2013
#176
On another note, I need to stop multitasking while posting. The appears missing in two
MillennialDem
Jun 2013
#179
Ah, you Millenials... We Gen-Xers don't need to multi-task to have typos (nt)
Recursion
Jun 2013
#180
Here is something that was posted by someone else, I'm not sure if it's accurate or not
MillennialDem
Jun 2013
#181
If those paths are correct, that's pretty damning of Zimmerman, yes. Are they?
Recursion
Jun 2013
#188
Yeah, she did have authority to tell a civilian to stay out of a potential crime scene.
sarge43
Jun 2013
#46
"What are you following me for..." makes HIM the initiator? Not the person actually following him?
arcane1
Jun 2013
#132
The fact that the 911 dispatcher is a "civilian" doesn't negate the common-sense advice
pacalo
Jun 2013
#245
Where the HELL do you live?! I sure as hell don't want to be approached by total STRANGERS at NIGHT.
WinkyDink
Jun 2013
#41
If George Zimmerman has simply talked to Trayvon Martin, this would have ended very differently.
Kennah
Jun 2013
#258
Yup, and people would not have donated hundreds of thousands of dollars to his defense fund.
SunSeeker
Jun 2013
#36
The defense would say the white youth initiated the confrontation with racist comments.
OnlinePoker
Jun 2013
#96
The question has a deeper meaning. It deals with his idea that he was "cop for the gated community"
jwirr
Jun 2013
#26
One DUer said we can't assume anything because we weren't there. Neither were the police
Nanjing to Seoul
Jun 2013
#31
There are those who think citizens not on the jury should have lobotomies pre-verdict.
WinkyDink
Jun 2013
#47
K&R. Zimmerman stalked and killed an unarmed kid who was minding his own business.
DLevine
Jun 2013
#39
Considering he told the police he was following before the fight began...
Bjorn Against
Jun 2013
#45
In other words, you don't need evidence because you think your assumption is "obvious"
Azathoth
Jun 2013
#48
So because he said "they always get away," we now KNOW that he started the confrontation?
Azathoth
Jun 2013
#72
It makes it pretty clear that he was not going to allow Martin to get away
Bjorn Against
Jun 2013
#76
lol, if you want to accuse me of a fallacy, you have to actually demonstrate it
Azathoth
Jun 2013
#190
I am entitled to my opinion, The court can't tell me not to look at the evidence myself
Bjorn Against
Jun 2013
#247
Do you know the difference between "intense" and the hyperbolic "hysterical"? Z was the STALKER.
WinkyDink
Jun 2013
#50
So now we're casually comparing Z to Manson, but it's wrong to call these threads "hysterical"?
Azathoth
Jun 2013
#55
My analogy was intended to be precise, to wit: The night-time "creepy-crawly" runs the Mansion
WinkyDink
Jun 2013
#64
You think it's a precise analogy to compare a guy on the phone with 911 following someone he claims
Azathoth
Jun 2013
#82
Intent was proven to me when he got out of his vehicle. Can you prove me wrong?
A Simple Game
Jun 2013
#79
So you're saying he intended to confront/fight Trayvon while he was on the phone with 911?
Azathoth
Jun 2013
#125
I'm saying he intended to confront Martin when he ignored the advice given by 911.
A Simple Game
Jun 2013
#182
The "gunner" namecalling has become the DU version of "socialist" namecalling
Azathoth
Jun 2013
#260
The self-defense and FL stand-your-ground laws are predicated upon legal conduct.
reusrename
Jun 2013
#144
I can only venture guesses as to what kind of person would think zimmerman had the "right"
etherealtruth
Jun 2013
#67
Zimmerman was claiming authority that he did not have. He was packing heat. Is there any chance
AnotherMcIntosh
Jun 2013
#73
The Young Turks had a good segment with Zimmerman muttering "Fucking Coons" under his breath
OnlinePoker
Jun 2013
#115
Zimmerman followed and murdered an unarmed teenager. Everything else is just defense B.S.
OregonBlue
Jun 2013
#143
Do you mean if the circumstances had been the same, or if Zimmerman had assaulted Trayvon?
RichardPatrick
Jun 2013
#189
Incarcerated or free, I think he's a deadman either way. He's not gonna avoid "fucking coons" forevr
DRoseDARs
Jun 2013
#187
I hope that you don't approve of the thought that if he goes free someone should
totodeinhere
Jun 2013
#246
Trayvon with a y and no I don't. He's made such a mess of his own case, then there's his def team.
DRoseDARs
Jun 2013
#252
you nailed it... I'll add that Zimmerman's Defenders believe a gun owner...
fascisthunter
Jun 2013
#231
It makes every difference in the world why Zimmerman was chasing after Martin and how...
MrScorpio
Jun 2013
#353
The seed for the confrontation was Zimmerman's staring hard enough at Trayvon to make him
pacalo
Jun 2013
#263
1. Z killed with a gun. 2. Trayvon had no drugs. 3. Thus, you are part of the "fantasy" contingent.
WinkyDink
Jun 2013
#279
But It does show that he took an additional step, in preparation to fire the gun right away
MrScorpio
Jun 2013
#320
True. I think anyone carrying at all can be considered "prepared to use it."
Lizzie Poppet
Jun 2013
#322
So basically, in Florida, it's open season on Black Teenagers... That explains everything!
MrScorpio
Jun 2013
#300
So you think Trayvon started beating up Zimmy because he felt "disrespected"? This is all Trayvon's
uppityperson
Jun 2013
#330
So Z could attack and fight with TM with no problem, but as soon as TM defending himself, he "cooked
uppityperson
Jun 2013
#341
You mean that you believe Zimmerman's story, even if it makes absolutely no sense
MrScorpio
Jun 2013
#342
So in Florida you can attack someone and when they fight back you can kill them? Wow. Welcome to DU,
uppityperson
Jun 2013
#309
I attack someone, when they fight back, I am justified in killing them. Which gunz site did you come
uppityperson
Jun 2013
#333
It's clear to me that it's people exactly like you whom we should be afraid of
MrScorpio
Jun 2013
#337
I haven't seen any evidence that Zimmerman was ever on the ground being pummeled.
yardwork
Jun 2013
#340
It was too dark to see colors. Eyes physically can NOT differentiate colors when it is dark.
uppityperson
Jun 2013
#347
Except he did not say light or dark but RED. He could NOT see red. That was impossible.
uppityperson
Jun 2013
#356
Obviously you haven't heard Good's testimony. He said that one was wearing "dark" the other "red."
yardwork
Jun 2013
#374
Thank you for posting the careful explanation for why Good couldn't have been able to distinguish
yardwork
Jun 2013
#380
Huh, since I replied to yardwork about Good's testimony, I do not know wtf you are talking about.
uppityperson
Jun 2013
#398
Mr Scorpio did in the link in post you are replying to. Here, look at my post, click on the link
uppityperson
Jun 2013
#362
First... I'd like you to define who you think was the aggressor here... I say it was Zimmerman
MrScorpio
Jun 2013
#364
What you're trying to do is lazily win people over to you own faulty reasoning
MrScorpio
Jun 2013
#370
hahahahaha. RGR375 "will accept a juries decision. RGR375 "will not". heh
uppityperson
Jun 2013
#385
What kind of person? A bigot. Or at the very least, one who thinks black human life is less
Liberal_Stalwart71
Jun 2013
#394