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Pholus

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21. Metadata is the best indication of who you are.

Thu Jun 27, 2013, 12:48 PM

Jun 2013

Loyalty is easily ranked by how many friends of friends you have who are questionable. Or worse, work for the media.

Leaders are people who communicate with many people and who can bridge social circles. Easily spotted and neutralized.

But I probably have a devious bent to you. I can imagine a lot of ways metadata can be used to generate a citizen loyalty rating.

And let's not even get into the amorphous definition of Quakers (Errr, Terrorists) as we talk about being safe from them.

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NSA Collected US Email Records In Bulk For More Than Two Years Under Obama (w/Documents) - Guardian [View all] WillyT Jun 2013 OP

Well, we were told nobody was listening to our __Calls___! Pholus Jun 2013 #1

I personally think that ohheckyeah Jun 2013 #3

Bingo. And once transcribed it's easier to analyze in software. nt Pholus Jun 2013 #7

Absolutely. ohheckyeah Jun 2013 #14

Funny, i didn't even notice. nt kelliekat44 Jun 2013 #57

They are neither listening to calls nor reading emails. Recursion Jun 2013 #5

Awesome. Cause there is no harm that could come from misusing that. Pholus Jun 2013 #9

I can think of more harm from them misusing my medical records, but I want universal healthcare. Recursion Jun 2013 #12

Ummmm. Okay then. I'll just wait a while. nt Pholus Jun 2013 #13

Do you not worry for the future, though? Romulus Quirinus Jun 2013 #31

Then why are we for universal health care? Recursion Jun 2013 #32

What would he do with them, if we had an NHS? Romulus Quirinus Jun 2013 #35

Ah, you have nothing to hide, medically, so you aren't worried? Recursion Jun 2013 #36

And thus, a new talking point is born. Maedhros Jun 2013 #39

Not at all! I am honestly not trying to be obtuse. Romulus Quirinus Jun 2013 #41

All universal health care means is that everyone has health care and the government RC Jun 2013 #45

They keep a record of everything they pay for Recursion Jun 2013 #47

So you'd rather continue haveing the greedy, private, health insurance companies do the same thing? RC Jun 2013 #50

I'm not the one saying the govt can't be trusted Recursion Jun 2013 #52

You better watch out.. Ms. Toad Jun 2013 #48

Insidious.... Pholus Jun 2013 #53

July 20. Cleveland. Ms. Toad Jun 2013 #63

Section 1061 of the 2014 NDAA allows for analysis of previously collected data. Fire Walk With Me Jun 2013 #54

And I strongly oppose its passage (nt) Recursion Jun 2013 #55

Excellent. However: NSA spying flap extends to contents of U.S. phone calls Fire Walk With Me Jun 2013 #58

of course they *can*. HHS *can* sell your info to Merck Recursion Jun 2013 #59

So, they still have all those emails, and will keep them 5 yrs, until 2015-6 under current rules? leveymg Jun 2013 #2

So the Obama administration reviewed, and then ended, this program. JoePhilly Jun 2013 #4

In 2011. Near the end of his first term. n/t Ms. Toad Jun 2013 #49

So? whatchamacallit Jun 2013 #6

So does my email provider. Program is history now. JaneyVee Jun 2013 #8

Which codename ended again? Pholus Jun 2013 #17

I'm all for both sides of this issue debating its necessity based on its merits and bringing it to a JaneyVee Jun 2013 #19

Metadata is the best indication of who you are. Pholus Jun 2013 #21

2006 Joe Biden agrees think Jun 2013 #22

Bookmarked. Thanks for that link. Pholus Jun 2013 #23

C'mon, Greenwald railsback Jun 2013 #10

"EvilOlive" marions ghost Jun 2013 #46

Look on the bright side. nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #11

Or the one in San Antonio that's not on the books according to local newspaper there think Jun 2013 #18

Ooohhh fancy nadinbrzezinski Jun 2013 #20

Doncha mean red diaper babies? n/t Ms. Toad Jun 2013 #51

Rec'd with note that in December 2012 the #NSA launched a new program Catherina Jun 2013 #15

I can't believe how passively people accept it. Pholus Jun 2013 #16

Lots of people passively accepted Hitler magellan Jun 2013 #24

Ah ... Obama is Hitler ... one must usually go to a Tea Party rally to obtain JoePhilly Jun 2013 #70

You obviously didn't bother reading past the subject line magellan Jun 2013 #71

LOL. Greenwald is getting desperate Cali_Democrat Jun 2013 #25

Old intel programs never die. They just get better codenames... :) Pholus Jun 2013 #27

So the administration is lying when they say the program was killed? Cali_Democrat Jun 2013 #29

Tedious. Please pause, take a deep breath, and read what I wrote. Pholus Jun 2013 #33

Where is the scandal? Maedhros Jun 2013 #43

It's still based on foreign communications. And it's metadata, not bulk collection of email. randome Jun 2013 #26

This is desperation ProSense Jun 2013 #30

I don't understand the Guardian hitching its wagon to Greenwald. randome Jun 2013 #34

Well, the Guardian's print arm's losing money hand over fist. Denzil_DC Jun 2013 #62

My appologies to NSA WovenGems Jun 2013 #28

tip of the iceberg. nt limpyhobbler Jun 2013 #37

No doubt. Skip Intro Jun 2013 #61

So the program began in 2001 and was stopped halfway through Obama's first term. pnwmom Jun 2013 #38

"How the NSA is still harvesting your online data" Hissyspit Jun 2013 #65

Because he knows few will actually read past the headline. JoePhilly Jun 2013 #69

Wait, so if I talk to say, Sid someone out there is collecting is watching us? sabrina 1 Jun 2013 #40

Why would the reporter conveniently leave out Afghanistan...... Historic NY Jun 2013 #42

Must spy on all Americans - that is how paranoid we are! grahamhgreen Jun 2013 #44

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This message was self-deleted by its author Pholus Jun 2013 #60

Kick !!! WillyT Jun 2013 #64

Greenwald appreciates your sheepish dissemination of his propaganda. great white snark Jun 2013 #66

THAT... Is Hysterical... But When It Comes To Sheep, You Guys Know Best... WillyT Jun 2013 #67

K&R woo me with science Jun 2013 #68

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