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In reply to the discussion: Yet Another NSA Program Raises Questions About Obama's Statements to Charlie Rose [View all]Octafish
(55,745 posts)66. Not windmills: leveymg has stood up to the giant Beast.
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Yet Another NSA Program Raises Questions About Obama's Statements to Charlie Rose [View all]
leveymg
Jun 2013
OP
We at least deserve not to be further confused by contradictory official statements.
leveymg
Jun 2013
#2
Or, perhaps, he understands it so well that he can state facts like a lawyer - selectively,
leveymg
Jun 2013
#5
I think Obama was parsing words as instructed and will claim that this wasn't "listening" to calls
cascadiance
Jun 2013
#7
What's the importance of whether the NSA keeps voice and email content, or just metadata?
leveymg
Jun 2013
#8
Here's the rub: Sec. 702(e) requires the NSA to minimize US person data - they aren't. It's illegal
leveymg
Jun 2013
#58
Yes - LinkedIn, the job networking site, contains many resumes that reference these programs
leveymg
Jun 2013
#12
No, I'm not conflating. But, Obama's statement is confusing as it seems to say that voice content
leveymg
Jun 2013
#13
No. The data is being collected as part of 2015 but retained for 702. That's illegal.
leveymg
Jun 2013
#15
You are misreading the information and taking the President's statements out of context. n/t
ProSense
Jun 2013
#16
Explain that, please. I've provided the context because the context makes it clear he's
leveymg
Jun 2013
#17
There are also "exigent circumstances" that give them another week to obtain a warrant.
leveymg
Jun 2013
#57
Bill Binney says it's based in profiling and terrorism potential scoring software.
leveymg
Jun 2013
#74
I have to agree with about 99% of that. However, they have much more than metadata on which to
leveymg
Jun 2013
#77
this is the person that was measuring that bush droned more people to protect their hero
Monkie
Jun 2013
#47
Acton also said something about the consequences of failure to learn from history.
leveymg
Jun 2013
#29
exactly, to think that a "nerd" like snowden, and a lawyer like greenwald are stupid
Monkie
Jun 2013
#48
Ths OP is nonsense, but people are determined to make up stuff to call Obama a liar.
ProSense
Jun 2013
#54
You had your chance to argue that last night, and failed. Unless you bring any new facts or
leveymg
Jun 2013
#59
So assuming he is telling the truth, this 'collection' of theirs would be useless and the
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#45
I wish that Rose had asked: 1) Do you do reverse lookups? 2) Do you minimize the data? Because
leveymg
Jun 2013
#51
But if NUCLEON is only recording and storing phone calls that take place in other countries
Jarla
Jun 2013
#87
NSA analysts, and the MAINWAY/MARINA systems have access to virtually all gov't databanks
leveymg
Jun 2013
#89
"Every government is run by liars and nothing they say should be believed." ~I.F. Stone
DeSwiss
Jun 2013
#83
The "Presidents credibility" was in doubt from the get go with his appointments
xtraxritical
Jun 2013
#91