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In reply to the discussion: 3 NSA veterans speak out on whistle-blower: We told you so (excellent information) [View all]magellan
(13,257 posts)27. From the transcript: a problem they apparently *haven't* fixed
Binney: But when it comes to these data, the massive data information collecting on U.S. citizens and everything in the world they can, I guess the real problem comes with trust. That's really the issue. The government is asking for us to trust them.
It's not just the trust that you have to have in the government. It's the trust you have to have in the government employees, (that) they won't go in the database they can see if their wife is cheating with the neighbor or something like that. You have to have all the trust of all the contractors who are parts of a contracting company who are looking at maybe other competitive bids or other competitors outside their in their same area of business. And they might want to use that data for industrial intelligence gathering and use that against other companies in other countries even. So they can even go into a base and do some industrial espionage. So there is a lot of trust all around and the government, most importantly, the government has no way to check anything that those people are doing.
Q: So Snowden's ability to access information wasn't an exception?
Binney: And they didn't know he was doing (it). ... That's the point, right? ...They should be doing that automatically with code, so the instant when anyone goes into that base with a query that they are not supposed to be doing, they should be flagged immediately and denied access. And that could be done with code.
But the government is not doing that. So that's the greatest threat in this whole affair.
It's not just the trust that you have to have in the government. It's the trust you have to have in the government employees, (that) they won't go in the database they can see if their wife is cheating with the neighbor or something like that. You have to have all the trust of all the contractors who are parts of a contracting company who are looking at maybe other competitive bids or other competitors outside their in their same area of business. And they might want to use that data for industrial intelligence gathering and use that against other companies in other countries even. So they can even go into a base and do some industrial espionage. So there is a lot of trust all around and the government, most importantly, the government has no way to check anything that those people are doing.
Q: So Snowden's ability to access information wasn't an exception?
Binney: And they didn't know he was doing (it). ... That's the point, right? ...They should be doing that automatically with code, so the instant when anyone goes into that base with a query that they are not supposed to be doing, they should be flagged immediately and denied access. And that could be done with code.
But the government is not doing that. So that's the greatest threat in this whole affair.
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3 NSA veterans speak out on whistle-blower: We told you so (excellent information) [View all]
Catherina
Jun 2013
OP
Its not that they are irrelevant in this case but rather that its been well documented back to
cstanleytech
Jun 2013
#149
It was congress-people who covered up the whistleblowing of these three patriots.
iemitsu
Jun 2013
#175
Are you listening to the videos? heavy stuff. That order was highly highly classified
Catherina
Jun 2013
#5
But that would amount to domestic spying which the NSA swears it does not do without a warrant...
Ford_Prefect
Jun 2013
#138
& Snowden shifted it quite well today saying it was an honor 2b called a traitor by Darth Vader lol!
Catherina
Jun 2013
#155
This is the main point that is being ignored: 'by a court that has not jurisdiction'.
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#123
How corrupt is this system? Could a billionaire buy NSA information? Could a person with less than
AnotherMcIntosh
Jun 2013
#22
All excellent points with frightening implications. Is this not HIGH TREASON?
Catherina
Jun 2013
#28
I could see corporations using information about their employees & their medical records,
pacalo
Jun 2013
#151
Mr. Binney: Snowden left out the exposure of the NSA tapping of fiber optic trunk lines at ATT SF
usGovOwesUs3Trillion
Jun 2013
#23
'FISA order (F for foreign) has no jurisdiction to authorize domestic surveillance'
Catherina
Jun 2013
#26
Three decent and honorable men who tried to do the right thing. And we hear all the time that
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#37
Evil, I agree. And it's all about money and retaining the influences and power to get it.
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#61
I remember that scandal, which went away until the Wikileaks cables confirmed it. No one has been
sabrina 1
Jun 2013
#63
The round table discussion throughout the video is a must see. Articulate, polite, respectful...
Melinda
Jun 2013
#49
Yes. But he had an *alibi*, Gerald Ford lol. These are the criminals who run our intelligence
Catherina
Jun 2013
#121
NOT unconsitutional, Meta Data is NOT the costumers...You through out trash they can look through it
uponit7771
Jun 2013
#128
Link and quote on the content, that even sounds crazy....there isn't equipment or people
uponit7771
Jun 2013
#132
It's all over DU, but just because you can't imagine it only reveals your lack of imagination
usGovOwesUs3Trillion
Jun 2013
#133
"itls all over DU" is NOT a link and quote, I'm asking you to source your claim. Regards
uponit7771
Jun 2013
#134
This very thread discusses the massive government spying on ALL Americans (LINK)
usGovOwesUs3Trillion
Jun 2013
#136
I changed my mind and deleted my response because if people haven't even watched the video,
Catherina
Jun 2013
#117
Use them as an opportunity to repeat what the whistle blowers are saying
usGovOwesUs3Trillion
Jun 2013
#130
Thanks HHNF. I had to turn it off to not see that and not to get distracted, discouraged or angry
Catherina
Jun 2013
#196
It's a lot of reading so if you have limited time, just listen to the videos
Catherina
Jun 2013
#160