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In reply to the discussion: Naomi Wolf calls bullshit on the Snowden story [View all]BlueStreak
(8,377 posts)32. The Verizon warrant, for one thing.
Last edited Sun Jun 16, 2013, 04:38 PM - Edit history (1)
There was certainly some speculation all along. But Snowden's actions have triggered a fall of dominoes that have brought some of the NSA schemes into the daylight for the first time.
Do I have to explain the difference between idle speculation and actual public admissions by responsible officials? Do you understand the difference between those two things?
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It also occurred to me that a stage-managed leak is a possibility, but I don't see any real
leveymg
Jun 2013
#47
How is this really undermining Obama and the Dems in a way that would help, say, Jeb or Rand?
leveymg
Jun 2013
#54
1) Nothing was going to come of that issue with China, anyway - both sides knew what the other is
leveymg
Jun 2013
#78
But, the rest of the world is now trumpeting that the US is again "engaging in dumb wars"
leveymg
Jun 2013
#89
"while she is dogged in her pursuit of information that doesn't mean she has an agenda"
leveymg
Jun 2013
#236
I wasn't referring to you specifically. There are many who only seem to show up when something bad
okaawhatever
Jun 2013
#143
But, Cali you must admit that his personality, the way he comes across
Liberal_Stalwart71
Jun 2013
#8
I'm not talking about Wolf. I'm talking about the way the guy comes off.
Liberal_Stalwart71
Jun 2013
#29
The opposite. He's hyperbolic and dramatic. He comes across as staged and therefore
Liberal_Stalwart71
Jun 2013
#243
one thing I've learned in life, is that people can tell fibs about this or that and be truthful
cali
Jun 2013
#40
Booze-Allen-Hamilton contractors are listening to U.S. phone calls without warrants.
Blue State Bandit
Jun 2013
#177
no she's not. I've never been able to understand why she's held in high esteem on the left.
cali
Jun 2013
#35
Revealing a "warrant" pales to the fact that we knew everything was scooped without warrant!
Coyotl
Jun 2013
#42
When Obama shut down the Bush warrantless wiretaps, a reasonable person would have assumed
BlueStreak
Jun 2013
#184
Nonetheles, the NSA under BOTH Bush and Obama continues to operate exactly as before
BlueStreak
Jun 2013
#230
The woman doing the documentary has released this info before. She had already announced that the
okaawhatever
Jun 2013
#141
Tell that to the government, the whole M$M, and the rest of the world
usGovOwesUs3Trillion
Jun 2013
#73
He revealed that the government is HARVESTING & STORING ALL US DIGITAL/PHONE COMMUNICATIONS
usGovOwesUs3Trillion
Jun 2013
#87
Please show me any place where Snowden accused the NSA of not following the law.
BlueStreak
Jun 2013
#49
Unconstitutional on the face of it? Um, yes (this rational person disagrees with you).
truebluegreen
Jun 2013
#191
"Lockbox" or direct line to NSA, a distinction without a difference except to a lawyer.
leveymg
Jun 2013
#61
You're playing semantical games and frantically waving that stinky red-herring around.
leveymg
Jun 2013
#68
That is flat out BULLSHIT, and that discrepancy was addressed in Greenwald's original article
usGovOwesUs3Trillion
Jun 2013
#93
Direct access to FTP servers. Not at all what Greenwald & Snowden wanted us to believe.
randome
Jun 2013
#96
More Bullshit! WTF Right At the Top of the Original Greenwald Article it points out the discrepancy
usGovOwesUs3Trillion
Jun 2013
#102
These folks apparently don't realize that even Greenwald has hedged on that slide
BeyondGeography
Jun 2013
#108
They have presented proof, WTF do you think everyone is reacting to on the hill, & around the world?
usGovOwesUs3Trillion
Jun 2013
#125
He did NOT 'hedge' he called it out at the TOP of his original article.
usGovOwesUs3Trillion
Jun 2013
#124
Doesn't it look to you like the names added to the top of the slide were added after the fact?
okaawhatever
Jun 2013
#153
They look like the kinda internal docs cobbled together by non-graphic designers that are ubiquitous
usGovOwesUs3Trillion
Jun 2013
#158
The documents authenticity has not been disputed by the government
usGovOwesUs3Trillion
Jun 2013
#79
And suspect as he went to the media who know a thing or 2 about presentation
usGovOwesUs3Trillion
Jun 2013
#117
Yes, I know the difference. You misread. Those were two different thoughts.
Liberal_Stalwart71
Jun 2013
#256
Didn't say you we're stupid. I'm telling you that I know well the different
Liberal_Stalwart71
Jun 2013
#262
Yes, people definitely confuse Naomi Wolf and Naomi Klein every time one of them is mentioned.
Quantess
Jun 2013
#118
cue the fucking melodrama, hon. oh wait, you already brought in a truckload of that shit.
cali
Jun 2013
#45
Interesting how you clipped points d. and h. which even her critics acknowledge have merit....
Junkdrawer
Jun 2013
#46
So you think the right wing machine would put this story out when they were already dominating
BlueStreak
Jun 2013
#51
how in hell would you or wolf know what an operative of some sort looks/sounds/acts like?
cali
Jun 2013
#137
There's a too-long tradition of beating down uncomfortable ideas with over-the-top put downs...
Junkdrawer
Jun 2013
#91
And speaking of co-inkydinks: Whom could Republicans just NOT bear as SOS, but ended up at
patrice
Jun 2013
#257
a 29 year old high school drop out who sounds like a high priced lawyer on TV
NoMoreWarNow
Jun 2013
#106
Cognition is a great deal more about dissonance than many wish us to pretend that is.
patrice
Jun 2013
#259
Good question. Wouldn't one of the last things that Susan Rice would have managed
patrice
Jun 2013
#263
I've noticed some oddities too, but its not central to the conversation.
napoleon_in_rags
Jun 2013
#128
It seems that the bigger problem is that a "private firm" has this kind of access to anything we do.
world wide wally
Jun 2013
#130
I have no opinion about Snowden, but Naomi Wolf is batshit crazy, so who cares what she says? (n/t)
MadrasT
Jun 2013
#131
She does a lot of speculating on his motives but doesn't refute what he revealed.
Tierra_y_Libertad
Jun 2013
#138
I find it a bit ironic that a self-proclaimed feminist is participating in the slut-shaming
Jarla
Jun 2013
#178
Yes, some disapprove of Obama's performance. Therefore, domestic spying is OK. Is that how it goes?
PSPS
Jun 2013
#216
at heart, but I do believe that "wag the dog" refers to a war who's sole purpose is to distract
usGovOwesUs3Trillion
Jun 2013
#212
And the hero-worshippers attack Wolf for her observations that raise questions
railsback
Jun 2013
#181
She isn't giving testimony in a trial, she's blogging her observations of Snowden.
ucrdem
Jun 2013
#233
Is there any way for the 1% to substantially gain more wealth/power/control as a
Zorra
Jun 2013
#186
I pretty much on the side of Snowden but am always willing to entertain doubt.
snagglepuss
Jun 2013
#217
The pole-dancing girlfriend has got to be the most baffling part of this whole equation
Number23
Jun 2013
#245
So a guy in his thirties with a $200K salary and a hot girlfriend.... decides to throw it all away
DontTreadOnMe
Jun 2013
#264