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In reply to the discussion: Because President Obama is NOT evil; that is why many of us trust and defend him... [View all]Fire Walk With Me
(38,893 posts)203. Why in hell isn't Obama doing ANYTHING to eliminate the Bush/Cheney surveillance state laws????
What if a republican gets in again and uses them as we know they would? Why would any Democrat allow that? Why would any Democrat even allow them to continue, because it comes from evil men?
All that it takes for evil to win, is for good men to do nothing.
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Because President Obama is NOT evil; that is why many of us trust and defend him... [View all]
Liberal_Stalwart71
Jun 2013
OP
People praise FDR, LBJ and complain that Obama should be like these presidents...
Liberal_Stalwart71
Jun 2013
#19
I would argue that it is not the Obama supporters who make it all about Obama the man.
Liberal_Stalwart71
Jun 2013
#62
That's right. It was about "the man" because the post is in DIRECT response to those
Liberal_Stalwart71
Jun 2013
#142
"Unreasonable" searches and seizures says to me that it's not a perfect right...
Liberal_Stalwart71
Jun 2013
#68
I agree with you, thanks for expressing your point of view here & the OP
Voice for Peace
Jun 2013
#122
I haven't heard it. And I've not heard any criticism of FDR either. I'm on DU daily...
Liberal_Stalwart71
Jun 2013
#100
Actually it IS true. If I had a dollar for everytime I heard someone complain that Obama
Liberal_Stalwart71
Jun 2013
#99
I didn't say Obama is an FDR, nor did I claim that he should be. Again, read carefully...
Liberal_Stalwart71
Jun 2013
#212
No. Please read carefully. I've heard many complaints, particularly from the political left,
Liberal_Stalwart71
Jun 2013
#177
FDR and LBJ deserve praise & I guess I shouldn't be surprised at your citing only the negatives
whathehell
Jun 2013
#115
You therefore prove my point that these are good men who just happened to make bad,
Liberal_Stalwart71
Jun 2013
#136
Of course every president--hell, every politician--has to deal with people who hate him.
Liberal_Stalwart71
Jun 2013
#174
The "hate him" charge was definitely not directed at you. I've read your posts and they are
Liberal_Stalwart71
Jun 2013
#193
I'm only responding to the complaints that Obama is NOT like LBJ or FDR.
Liberal_Stalwart71
Jun 2013
#171
I agree, and you make good points. However, I have seldom heard anyone on the left
Liberal_Stalwart71
Jun 2013
#134
I agree with you, but I also think we have a responsibility to hold elected officials accountable...
Liberal_Stalwart71
Jun 2013
#152
Then you will have no basis to complain about methods when evil again resides in the White House
Fumesucker
Jun 2013
#2
You don't know me. Don't lump me into a category that you think I ought to be.
Liberal_Stalwart71
Jun 2013
#31
Then don't elect Jeb, elect Hillary or Cory Booker or Deval Patrick or Michelle or Janet or Kathleen
graham4anything
Jun 2013
#11
Well, she was during the 2008 Democratic parties. When Samatha Powers called Hillary that,
Liberal_Stalwart71
Jun 2013
#35
During that Primay cycle, Obama employed ex gay hate preacher McClurkin as his surrogate
Bluenorthwest
Jun 2013
#129
I'm not the one who can't deal with criticism. I started this thread. "Deal with it"
Liberal_Stalwart71
Jun 2013
#65
Yes it does. The US Supreme Court decides what is or isn't. Don't like the 5 bad ones? Why
graham4anything
Jun 2013
#58
On the contrary: I haven't defended everything Obama has done. I defend him here
Liberal_Stalwart71
Jun 2013
#17
That's your opinion. Don't call names. You don't know me or anything about me.
Liberal_Stalwart71
Jun 2013
#71
Deal with what? You're not making sense. Snarky comments don't count.
Liberal_Stalwart71
Jun 2013
#103
I don't have any problems whatsoever with your opinions. We agree to disagree. I'm good with that.
Liberal_Stalwart71
Jun 2013
#137
So drawing a distinction between good and evil rests in the demesne of extreme ideologues?
demwing
Jun 2013
#165
LBJ wasn't evil either and yet he gave us the Gulf of Tonkin which led to the Vietnam War (conflict)
Liberal_Stalwart71
Jun 2013
#12
It might be lawful, but it's very wrong. As wrong as what Roosevelt and LBJ did.
SlimJimmy
Jun 2013
#16
Rather than repeal it wholesale, I think we should look at each provision and make
SlimJimmy
Jun 2013
#89
If you believe that Bush is evil then you have to also believe that LBJ was evil
JW2020
Jun 2013
#33
And yet, so many on the so-called Political Left, argue that Obama should be like LBJ. Go figure...
Liberal_Stalwart71
Jun 2013
#36
I didn't say it was a law, I said it was *lawful*. The executive order he issued falls
SlimJimmy
Jun 2013
#87
The internment of the Japanese was done for economic reasons, not military necessity.
OnyxCollie
Jun 2013
#175
Of course. I expected the response. We have so many Obama hate threads...
Liberal_Stalwart71
Jun 2013
#15
It's the defense of Ron Paul, in particular, that scares the shit out of me.
Liberal_Stalwart71
Jun 2013
#22
Call your members of Congress. Demand a repeal of the Patriot Act!!!
Liberal_Stalwart71
Jun 2013
#38
I am very politically active. In fact I work for the federal government. If anyone should be worried
Liberal_Stalwart71
Jun 2013
#73
I agree with you. Obama is irrelevant. Call members of Congress. Demand a repeal of the Patriot Act!
Liberal_Stalwart71
Jun 2013
#39
They passed it, they fund it to this day. Despite Rand Paul's circus, he didn't stop it.
freshwest
Jun 2013
#210
You make a good point. Politicians are politicians, but I definitely trust Obama more than most.
Liberal_Stalwart71
Jun 2013
#40
This is not about Obama. Call members of Congress. Demand a repeal of the Patriot Act!!
Liberal_Stalwart71
Jun 2013
#43
Call your members of Congress. Demand a repeal of the Patriot Act. It's not funny. Never was.
Liberal_Stalwart71
Jun 2013
#46
I'd like to ask you to call my members of Congress and thank them for keeping these issues
Bluenorthwest
Jun 2013
#167
I've done what you have suggested. For instance, I am very lucky to have two fairly progressive
Liberal_Stalwart71
Jun 2013
#176
No. Your failure is ascribing supernatural powers to a human being. Your failure is failing
Liberal_Stalwart71
Jun 2013
#76
You don't need super powers to nominate agency heads that advocate for the people rather
GoneFishin
Jun 2013
#163
Yes, that is how I feel.. plus the fact that what President Obama is doing is actually legal
DCBob
Jun 2013
#53
Giving the Government this power does not end with Obama. You are trusting all future Presidents.
dkf
Jun 2013
#56
So then let's put our energy into doing something about it. First, give the president an OVERWHELMIN
Liberal_Stalwart71
Jun 2013
#78
And that's why I emphasize that we should elect more *progressives*...
Liberal_Stalwart71
Jun 2013
#104
Agreed. That's reasonable. Let's agree, then, to stay active. Give him overwhelming majorities
Liberal_Stalwart71
Jun 2013
#79
Agreed. And if that is so, call Congress. Demand a repeal of the Patriot Act.
Liberal_Stalwart71
Jun 2013
#86
Nah. It says that I wait for the facts before I condemn people. It says that I am reasonable.
Liberal_Stalwart71
Jun 2013
#84
Well, I'm sorry you feel that way. What are you going to do about it? Vote Third Party?
Liberal_Stalwart71
Jun 2013
#95
Your opinion. If you care about protecting your rights, call members of Congress. Demand a repeal
Liberal_Stalwart71
Jun 2013
#85
No, and that's why we need a Congress who will exercise oversight and reduce these
Liberal_Stalwart71
Jun 2013
#145
No, WE give government that type of power. If you want to change it, call members of Congress...
Liberal_Stalwart71
Jun 2013
#101
A clarification about why I started this thread addressing the premise of "evil vs. good"
Liberal_Stalwart71
Jun 2013
#93
Can you support that assertion? Got any examples of that which you see all the time for
Bluenorthwest
Jun 2013
#135
I will take a while for me to search for that, but I guess I could do it if I had enough time.
Liberal_Stalwart71
Jun 2013
#138
The way to clarify is to support your claims about others, claims you made and expanded
Bluenorthwest
Jun 2013
#153
You mean, don't let his Justice Department catch me. It's not always about Obama.
Liberal_Stalwart71
Jun 2013
#143
Expanding the already-largest spy program in history far beyond what Bush did
DisgustipatedinCA
Jun 2013
#107
See my response, #146. Demand a repeal of the Patriot Act and support Adam Schiff's bill...
Liberal_Stalwart71
Jun 2013
#148
If you're concerned, please support Adam Schiff's bill and demand that Congress
Liberal_Stalwart71
Jun 2013
#150
"I truly believe that the president is NOT an evil man" Great. What about the NEXT president
panzerfaust
Jun 2013
#111
Again, if we all care so much about this "unlimited power," then let's pressure Congress to
Liberal_Stalwart71
Jun 2013
#146
no only that, but the left can't say it ever got obama's back, nor that of most dem reps
certainot
Jun 2013
#116
I didn't say Obama was perfect. Even if you reread my OP, I clearly state that I do not believe that
Liberal_Stalwart71
Jun 2013
#182
I repeated this several times: Demand that Congress repeal the Patriot Act
Liberal_Stalwart71
Jun 2013
#183
I've addressed your snarkiness upthread. Read if you're curious for my answer.
Liberal_Stalwart71
Jun 2013
#151
If you insist on using faith terms I'll debate in those terms...can you?
Bluenorthwest
Jun 2013
#147
You're a bit closer to the educational system than many posting here, I suspect Jamaal.
freshwest
Jun 2013
#211
Then, there's other things we can do. Start by supporting Adam Schiff's bill to
Liberal_Stalwart71
Jun 2013
#185
Thanks. Exactly my point. We can argue that he should make better decisions...
Liberal_Stalwart71
Jun 2013
#192
Why in hell isn't Obama doing ANYTHING to eliminate the Bush/Cheney surveillance state laws????
Fire Walk With Me
Jun 2013
#203
And whistle blowing only works if a law has been broken. A law hasn't been broken. ;)
Liberal_Stalwart71
Jun 2013
#215
When someone stabs you in the back in life, you'll have noone to blame but yourself
AZ Progressive
Jun 2013
#208