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sheshe2

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18. IMHO

Mon Jun 10, 2013, 07:51 PM

Jun 2013

Franken, the chairman of the Senate’s Privacy, Technology and the Law Subcommittee, said he’d learned about “programs like this one” through classified briefings before, but he still had questions about the National Security Agency’s practice of requesting records from cellular companies like Verizon.

“We have to see what safeguards there are and how this program is structured, and how this data is used and whether it’s stored, for example,” he said.

Senator Franken knows far more than he will speak of openly. He is an intelligent, well qualified Senator from
Minnesota. He stated that what we the people know, the enemies and or terrorists do also. This is about transparency, which is needed. However, as a national security measure, some things must be classified, for the protection of this nation. It would be shear stupidity to tell our enemies of our plans to thwart them.

Franken knows this. That is why he has my respect, BlueCheese.

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Senator Al Franken on NSA surveillance [View all] sheshe2 Jun 2013 OP

"There's certain things that its appropriate for me to know that its not appropriate for the elleng Jun 2013 #1

Excellent quote, is it not, elleng! sheshe2 Jun 2013 #8

The thing is, the Program has never stopped a single serious act of terrorism inside the U.S. The leveymg Jun 2013 #27

I heard otherwise, from ?Rogers? of House ? Committee; elleng Jun 2013 #28

Sen DiFi claimed that the 2009 subway bomb plot was thwarted by PRISM. That mischaracterizes leveymg Jun 2013 #36

You don't know that. randome Jun 2013 #35

NSA's defenders can't cite a single solid case that's been thwarted by this thing. Burden is on them leveymg Jun 2013 #39

Burden is on them, yes, to inform the Senate judiciary committee of successes, not the public stevenleser Jun 2013 #85

+1 sheshe2 Jun 2013 #86

Not a big believer in an informed public are you? DiFi couldn't cite a single valid example leveymg Jun 2013 #105

Not a big believer in protecting our citizens are you!? You lose leveymg! sheshe2 Jun 2013 #111

With bated breath sheshe2 Jun 2013 #113

There are plenty of examples. All you have to do is google. Virtually every prevented terror attack stevenleser Jun 2013 #122

Steve sheshe2 Jun 2013 #114

actually, this is silly and not logical at all. Nothing happening means events thwarted.It works. graham4anything Jun 2013 #119

Right, and they have problems stating exactly what good they've done, elleng Jun 2013 #41

Interesting n/t tammywammy Jun 2013 #2

Thank you, Sheshe! LeftInTX Jun 2013 #3

Well, Franken is just another cryptofascist acolyte of the extremist RW corporatists. baldguy Jun 2013 #4

I respect Senator Franken enough to k&r this. Laelth Jun 2013 #5

I can agree with that. nt awoke_in_2003 Jun 2013 #17

Thank you Laelth, and I mean that. sheshe2 Jun 2013 #29

A strong nation doesn't spy on its citizens without just cause marions ghost Jun 2013 #73

"abuse of this type of data collection" jberryhill Jun 2013 #83

Didn't mean it to be ambiguous marions ghost Jun 2013 #87

With just cause and legal warrants they can. sheshe2 Jun 2013 #88

Legal warrants from secret courts? marions ghost Jun 2013 #92

You are correct, Bushco did abuse those powers. sheshe2 Jun 2013 #94

And that abuse is ongoing marions ghost Jun 2013 #96

the truth is that we can't be safe all the time grasswire Jun 2013 #107

Forgive the delay. Laelth Jun 2013 #118

Maybe we can make ourselves safer druidity33 Jun 2013 #128

Here's the right link for the Al Franken video Tx4obama Jun 2013 #6

Oh Jeez..... sheshe2 Jun 2013 #10

I like Franken. Like the EFF too. And they've DirkGently Jun 2013 #7

Franken is the first person I vaguely trust to come out and support this. BlueCheese Jun 2013 #9

Four days ago this was being presented like a new and unknown program Recursion Jun 2013 #11

I would think he would recognize it immediately. BlueCheese Jun 2013 #12

At least two, apparently... (nt) Recursion Jun 2013 #14

Less than a year ago there was a big New York Times article on the same thing. They called the okaawhatever Jun 2013 #13

IMHO sheshe2 Jun 2013 #18

He may be intelligent and well-intentioned... BlueCheese Jun 2013 #20

Being made public, sheshe2 Jun 2013 #23

Thank you, sheshe, for this link and your post. mountain grammy Jun 2013 #47

He is mountain grammy! sheshe2 Jun 2013 #48

K & R freshwest Jun 2013 #51

It was a great post by steveleser! sheshe2 Jun 2013 #54

Can you TIVO it or whatever is done now? I used to set the VCR... freshwest Jun 2013 #64

Steve posted the transcript here! sheshe2 Jun 2013 #66

Ah, no. I got the podcast and transcript. Was asking about the debate. freshwest Jun 2013 #76

Ah, I will check about the first one. sheshe2 Jun 2013 #84

Ugh, that was unpleasant! But Markey isn't going to let anything sneak by, either. freshwest Jun 2013 #90

Markey really took him to school sheshe2 Jun 2013 #91

Indeed they do, the man's a gem. mountain grammy Jun 2013 #62

Have those other intelligent and well-informed people received the same briefings on MADem Jun 2013 #112

He's the voice of common sense. Thank you for the post. n/t pnwmom Jun 2013 #15

We can take great comfort in the fact that no future president will ever use the vast indepat Jun 2013 #16

I have the greatest respect for the senator usGovOwesUs3Trillion Jun 2013 #19

Well I guess Al is under the bus with the rest of us who think the outrage is nonsense. DCBob Jun 2013 #21

We're talking pedabytes worth of data joc46224 Jun 2013 #22

What about a flashdrive? Half-Century Man Jun 2013 #24

Good post. I agree totally. Mr.Bill Jun 2013 #38

I wish you'd post this as an OP. Really. If you have time. KittyWampus Jun 2013 #89

5 zettabytes of space MsPithy Jun 2013 #109

This is what I think is happening.. DCBob Jun 2013 #124

I don't think they're quite there, but I believe they have a project plan DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #130

dogs trust Al Botany Jun 2013 #25

No nineteen50 Jun 2013 #26

Link? sheshe2 Jun 2013 #55

My observation nineteen50 Jun 2013 #79

i guess Al Franken is no Ron Paul JI7 Jun 2013 #30

most xlnt kpete Jun 2013 #31

~ sheshe2 Jun 2013 #34

I'm glad Senator Franken is calmly talking common sense on this topic. Kath1 Jun 2013 #32

Thank you Senator Franken, I now feel ok with the work of the NSA. DrewFlorida Jun 2013 #33

Franken is horribly wrong on this. woo me with science Jun 2013 #37

Thank you senator Al Franken. Who gave up his LUCRATIVE entertainment career & has worked hard graham4anything Jun 2013 #40

Excellent reminder to one and all, Graham! sheshe2 Jun 2013 #44

+1,000! freshwest Jun 2013 #69

this Al Franken? stupidicus Jun 2013 #42

so basically he is saying that snowdon is telling the truth, wrapped up in pretty words. Monkie Jun 2013 #43

Links please. sheshe2 Jun 2013 #46

Well said. woo me with science Jun 2013 #75

Do you know what Al Franken knows about NSA surveillance? winter is coming Jun 2013 #45

True! And he, JUST LIKE ME upi402 Jun 2013 #52

Thats all most of us know quakerboy Jun 2013 #63

No. sheshe2 Jun 2013 #65

No, you're the one who labeled Franken a robot. winter is coming Jun 2013 #71

Oh my ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2013 #49

If Sen Franken is endorsing the surveillance program, as represented by the blogger, why can't AnotherMcIntosh Jun 2013 #50

Here comes the cold water. MsPithy Jun 2013 #53

Where does it say that they are collecting every bit of data on everyone! sheshe2 Jun 2013 #60

I am sorry to have to break this to you, MsPithy Jun 2013 #97

+1 burnodo Jun 2013 #101

Yooo Hooo! MsPithy Jun 2013 #129

This shocked me Timbuk3 Jun 2013 #56

Thank you, Senator Franken! nt jazzimov Jun 2013 #57

Say... did you contact him to explain... ReRe Jun 2013 #58

Mr. Franken's support for the Iraq war illustrated his judgment in such matters for me. bbgrunt Jun 2013 #59

Thank you. I can tell you what I've figured out today. It has to do with private DevonRex Jun 2013 #61

Bless you Devon. sheshe2 Jun 2013 #98

Thank you. DevonRex Jun 2013 #99

You forgot to add ... GeorgeGist Jun 2013 #126

I'm too cautious DevonRex Jun 2013 #127

If only every rep were like Al Franken felix_numinous Jun 2013 #67

I like Al Franken, but I vehemently disagree with him here, even knowing he's privy to more DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2013 #68

Frankly Franken polynomial Jun 2013 #70

Hmmm. I DO respect his opinion, so this is something to think about. nt Honeycombe8 Jun 2013 #72

Again, the Government is saying Trust Us. Savannahmann Jun 2013 #74

+1 forestpath Jun 2013 #77

Thank you Senator Franken dennis4868 Jun 2013 #78

Franken is no dummy BootinUp Jun 2013 #80

XP hi from europe, i "love" watching "democrats" apologise for fascism! kickysnana Jun 2013 #81

Your link is for Jelly Shoes. sheshe2 Jun 2013 #93

Real Linkie kickysnana Jun 2013 #117

Too bad you don't get to see it, then. Cha Jun 2013 #103

Snort! sheshe2 Jun 2013 #106

He might have a little more credibility if he hadn't just voted to take the food out of poor Egalitarian Thug Jun 2013 #82

He also voted for SOPA and PIPA. woo me with science Jun 2013 #115

Well I'll give him this, he is a much better actor than I gave him credit for. Egalitarian Thug Jun 2013 #123

Well then let me just stop thinking for myself and agree with him on this issue just because liberal_at_heart Jun 2013 #95

No, just keeping buying that shit that Glenn Greenwald Cha Jun 2013 #102

+a millon. nt graham4anything Jun 2013 #120

Finally, she! We're hearing from someone Cha Jun 2013 #100

"Careful, he's Watching You"! Cha Jun 2013 #104

I have tears running down my cheeks sheshe2 Jun 2013 #108

I know.. it's just too FUNNY! Cha Jun 2013 #110

The Barack Man is just going old school there Botany Jun 2013 #121

K&R :) n/t Tx4obama Jun 2013 #116

There Are Things To Like About Al But A Lot Also To Seriously Question colsohlibgal Jun 2013 #125