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In reply to the discussion: Obama Administration Declassifies Details On “PRISM,” Blasts “Reckless” Media And Leakers. [View all]MADem
(135,425 posts)3. That won't matter.
No matter what is said, or how carefully it is explained, there WILL be poutrage, foot stomping and dramatic "I'm leaving the Democratic Party" declarations.
The fact sheet is pretty straightforward:
Facts on the Collection of Intelligence Pursuant to Section 702 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act
· PRISM is not an undisclosed collection or data mining program. It is an internal government computer system used to facilitate the governments statutorily authorized collection of foreign intelligence information from electronic communication service providers under court supervision, as authorized by Section 702 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) (50 U.S.C. § 1881a). This authority was created by the Congress and has been widely known and publicly discussed since its inception in 2008.
· Under Section 702 of FISA, the United States Government does not unilaterally obtain information from the servers of U.S. electronic communication service providers. All such information is obtained with FISA Court approval and with the knowledge of the provider based upon a written directive from the Attorney General and the Director of National Intelligence. In short, Section 702 facilitates the targeted acquisition of foreign intelligence information concerning foreign targets located outside the United States under court oversight. Service providers supply information to the Government when they are lawfully required to do so.
· The Government cannot target anyone under the court-approved procedures for Section 702 collection unless there is an appropriate, and documented, foreign intelligence purpose for the acquisition (such as for the prevention of terrorism, hostile cyber activities, or nuclear proliferation) and the foreign target is reasonably believed to be outside the United States.
We cannot target even foreign persons overseas without a valid foreign intelligence purpose.
· In addition, Section 702 cannot be used to intentionally target any U.S. citizen, or any other U.S. person, or to intentionally target any person known to be in the United States. Likewise, Section 702 cannot be used to target a person outside the United States if the purpose is to acquire information from a person inside the United States.
· Finally, the notion that Section 702 activities are not subject to internal and external oversight is similarly incorrect. Collection of intelligence information under Section 702 is subject to an extensive oversight regime, incorporating reviews by the Executive, Legislative and Judicial branches......
Read more: http://swampland.time.com/2013/06/08/obama-administration-declassifies-details-on-prism-blasts-reckless-media-and-leakers/#ixzz2Vf6ReO51
· PRISM is not an undisclosed collection or data mining program. It is an internal government computer system used to facilitate the governments statutorily authorized collection of foreign intelligence information from electronic communication service providers under court supervision, as authorized by Section 702 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) (50 U.S.C. § 1881a). This authority was created by the Congress and has been widely known and publicly discussed since its inception in 2008.
· Under Section 702 of FISA, the United States Government does not unilaterally obtain information from the servers of U.S. electronic communication service providers. All such information is obtained with FISA Court approval and with the knowledge of the provider based upon a written directive from the Attorney General and the Director of National Intelligence. In short, Section 702 facilitates the targeted acquisition of foreign intelligence information concerning foreign targets located outside the United States under court oversight. Service providers supply information to the Government when they are lawfully required to do so.
· The Government cannot target anyone under the court-approved procedures for Section 702 collection unless there is an appropriate, and documented, foreign intelligence purpose for the acquisition (such as for the prevention of terrorism, hostile cyber activities, or nuclear proliferation) and the foreign target is reasonably believed to be outside the United States.
We cannot target even foreign persons overseas without a valid foreign intelligence purpose.
· In addition, Section 702 cannot be used to intentionally target any U.S. citizen, or any other U.S. person, or to intentionally target any person known to be in the United States. Likewise, Section 702 cannot be used to target a person outside the United States if the purpose is to acquire information from a person inside the United States.
· Finally, the notion that Section 702 activities are not subject to internal and external oversight is similarly incorrect. Collection of intelligence information under Section 702 is subject to an extensive oversight regime, incorporating reviews by the Executive, Legislative and Judicial branches......
Read more: http://swampland.time.com/2013/06/08/obama-administration-declassifies-details-on-prism-blasts-reckless-media-and-leakers/#ixzz2Vf6ReO51
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Obama Administration Declassifies Details On “PRISM,” Blasts “Reckless” Media And Leakers. [View all]
JaneyVee
Jun 2013
OP
This is a fascist program, sig-line protests to the contrary notwithstanding
DisgustipatedinCA
Jun 2013
#1
The terms target, collect, US person, foreign, intentionally, oversight are all used contrary to
leveymg
Jun 2013
#11
Responsibility for this rests in all branches of gov't, both political parties, Administrations and
leveymg
Jun 2013
#25
Do we want the Supreme Court to rule that the law is unconstitutional...that is the question.
MADem
Jun 2013
#59
There is a gigantic difference between companies doing this and the government.
BlueCheese
Jun 2013
#30
I'm saying that personal information in the hands of the government is much more dangerous...
BlueCheese
Jun 2013
#39
Thaaaattt's RIGHT! They gather and store it ALL, but they don't "target" Americans UNLESS
Th1onein
Jun 2013
#69
Using terms like "poutrage" and "foot stomping" to describe those who disagree with you...
BlueCheese
Jun 2013
#22
"But the reporting from Glenn Greenwald and the Washington Post has been shoddy and misleading."
MADem
Jun 2013
#65
Supposedly, we've had some form of data collection for, what, eight years or more?
MADem
Jun 2013
#67
I'm sorry. I've read the entire thing. I'm not convinced. And for some very good reasons.
Th1onein
Jun 2013
#76
It's down to sources and methods. You know that "metadata" is collected where you might not have
MADem
Jun 2013
#99
Obama did not make any specific promises. He said he'd close GITMO and he wouldn't spy on
MADem
Jun 2013
#120
"And this program, which requires warrants to access the material, targets foreighners, not US
Th1onein
Jun 2013
#121
Look, you keep telling me I'm lying, but I'm getting this from a link YOU provided.
MADem
Jun 2013
#122
That's right, MADEM, I'm just a bad, bad person because I don't agree with you.
Th1onein
Jun 2013
#130
If by unit, you mean internet provider, well, the internet provider does that as well.
MADem
Jun 2013
#119
Senators can't (didn't) talk about this shit in public because of the nature,of you know, security
Sheepshank
Jun 2013
#40
I stand by my comment that we don't know enough to declare that the program is sound.
BlueCheese
Jun 2013
#42
^^^^^^For anyone who collects examples of brazen, twisting spin^^^^^^^^
woo me with science
Jun 2013
#15
Here's some "brazen twisting"--but it's from the SOURCE of this sloppily-reported story.
MADem
Jun 2013
#68
Their strategy is now to outright refuse to argue with you - they opt for innuendo and accusation
alcibiades_mystery
Jun 2013
#51
"Stalinesque" really shouldn't be uttered by someone who supports spying on all citizens
DisgustipatedinCA
Jun 2013
#63
Oh for dog's sake. There is plenty of space at DU to be clear, if you *choose* to be clear.
woo me with science
Jun 2013
#80
Thank you. And now come the legal pursuit and intimidation to the leaker
woo me with science
Jun 2013
#14
You mean someone in an intelligence agency who can't be trusted with intelligence?
randome
Jun 2013
#21
What? The NSA National Snooping Assholes can't snoop out the leakers? Epic Fail!
L0oniX
Jun 2013
#53
+100000 It's "old news," but don't doubt that an example will be made of anyone
woo me with science
Jun 2013
#28
"A lie will go round the world while the truth is still pulling its boots on..."
alcibiades_mystery
Jun 2013
#27
Clapper's blasting seems to be at odds with the President who said he was glad to be having this
Bluenorthwest
Jun 2013
#57
You can't fight hysteria, you just have to let it wind down on its own. Fast & Furious anyone?
Tarheel_Dem
Jun 2013
#82
You are probably right. So why then does BO reach across the isle for their approval
GoneFishin
Jun 2013
#105
It's not their approval he seeks. His efforts across the aisle have more to do with
MADem
Jun 2013
#113